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Yeah, I’m also starting to feel this way in some routes, their relationship can evolve quickly into a reacher/settler dynamic, where Ian thinks he’s scoring out of his league and bears with almost everything while Lena (perhaps subconsciously) feels entitled to do whatever she pleases. But I would like to point out two considerations:
Hopefully Ian will be given some autonomy, so he can stand up for himself when it comes to Lena.
I also think this change is needed, to align certain choices with certain main-character mindsets, at least if we want some variability with whatever villains or betrayals might be coming up for some of the less wholesome characters.Long story short: I think we’re starting to see the consequences of our choices and while the wholesome IanxLena relationship is still quite viable, in other routes past decisions are coming to bite the MCs in their asses...
I think we’re already seeing some of that, aren’t we?I also think this change is needed, to align certain choices with certain main-character mindsets, at least if we want some variability with whatever villains or betrayals might be coming up for some of the less wholesome characters.
Like, "sweet Lena" would probably never decide to side with Seymour in whatever nefarious schemes are coming up and neither would Ian as the bro we've come to know.
I think it's more subtle with Ian, but something I remember thinking to myself in ch. 8 was with the confrontation with Alison's ex, when my Ian threw him to the curb I was like "huh, that was easy..."
I wonder if Ian will come to feel the same at some point, that his new physical exploits are an easy way to deal with problems. I doubt Eva would ever make "domestic abuse" paths or anything like that, but an Ian that successfully takes down several men is arguably a different man to the person that tries to talk himself out of most of his problems.
I don't think Ian would necessarily become more violent, but he might become less tolerable, at least towards other men and in turn he might be more malleable to Axel and Seymour's points of view (you are entitled to what you can take)
But if Jessica is present in the ORS universe, also is Ashley... Now is possible that Ashley is an Axel client and she can meets Ian for real! If Ian fuck Ashley, I think I'll break my cock cause of wanking!Hello Ash...
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Sorry to disagreeI think we’re already seeing some of that, aren’t we?
In short: we have been building character traits for the MCs with our choices and now we have to live with the consequences.
I know that can be even frustrating at some points (“but, but… In my mind MY Ian wouldn't have said that''), but the sad fact is the game can’t read our minds, heh, it can only read the variables WE HAVE CHOSEN through our decisions.
I think the player impression is different though, because the whole Ian/Lena + Holly thing is directed at Ian himself, the other main character (and the one a majority of the player base probably identifies with, being male, you could theorise).In short: we have been building character traits for the MCs with our choices and now we have to live with the consequences. A Chad Ian will be confrontational while the more laidback “original” Ian, as you put it, will try to talk his way out of his problems.
I know that can be even frustrating at some points (“but, but… In my mind MY Ian wouldn't have said that''), but the sad fact is the game can’t read our minds, heh, it can only read the variables WE HAVE CHOSEN through our decisions.
Frustratingly however, Emma mentions Ian's attraction towards Lena regardless of what's going on between them. In my playthrough Lena and Ian are nothing more than friends (even though their agenda bar showsYou don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
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No doubt. I've actually seen the concept of Lena going home being raised as a possibility both here and on discord, where people generally didn't see what she'd go home for.From Lena's phone conversations in this update, it sounds like we might meet her mother in an update or two. So, something new for the future.
Yes. I sort of been looking forward to it, since it has been a part of Lena's story from the beginning. Added spoiler insert for my post. I suppose it is sort of spoiler.No doubt. I've actually seen the concept of Lena going home being raised as a possibility both here and on discord, where people generally didn't see what she'd go home for.
Eva quite easily made that possibility much more likely. (RIP Lena's mom?). I wonder if sending money home will come to make a difference here?
Well, let me put it like this: I no longer play with the context of personally experiencing the difference, since I never play Ian/Lena past their first date.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
This is actually part of the game and they've done an amazing job going all meta with it, just click around the optionsI'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.
While running game code:
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did someone can help me with this ?
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No doubt. I've actually seen the concept of Lena going home being raised as a possibility both here and on discord, where people generally didn't see what she'd go home for.
Eva quite easily made that possibility much more likely. (RIP Lena's mom?). I wonder if sending money home will come to make a difference here?
I was talking in general, while I’m guessing you are referencing specifically to the Ian/Lena/Holly drama, could it be?Sorry to disagree. That would be true for a NPC but Lena is a player character and we are even in control of her yet we have no choice at all. Her reacting exactly the same no matter what we made her do before is not a 'reaction' of her. In fact the main critique is that 'the Lena we build' has no consequence at all.
As I said to dundun I was talking more in general than about that specific issue. Conversely this..I think the player impression is different though, because the whole Ian/Lena + Holly thing is directed at Ian himself, the other main character (and the one a majority of the player base probably identifies with, being male, you could theorise).
With Ian, many of the exchanges that shows a difference in approach is geared towards secondary characters, which is what my impression is, is part of the criticism of the mentioned Ian/Lena confrontation.
This also bothered me (especially during a run where Ian is going hard for Alison while Lena isn’t interested in him at all). The truth is the code in that dialogue checks for variables like “ian_lena_dating” and “ian_lena_love”, but even if both are false Emma still paints Ian more interested in Lena than he’s at that point.Frustratingly however, Emma mentions Ian's attraction towards Lena regardless of what's going on between them. In my playthrough Lena and Ian are nothing more than friends (even though their agenda bar shows) but Emma still talks about them as if Ian is head over heels for her. Lena just says that she' exaggerating.
I really do hope that Eva will have some consideration for us non-Ian/Lena shippers in some of the variables. I don't mind so much that the early game assumes the interest, it's part of the story after all, but it becomes frustrating when the NPC's keep inferring and implying interest where there never was any expressed.![]()