VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 13.1 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[Oliver Wendell Homely]

Don't you guys find it unfair that Lena's options for male interests aside from Ian are so problematic and toxic? It's either cheating in some way, abuse, blackmail or just being plain pathetic like Robert. Meanwhile Ian only has Cindy to compare.

I'll make a list of the least terrible relationship options for both, from worst to best.

Lena:
1-Seymour (blackmail, manipulation, practically prostitution)
2-Axel (manipulation, ex bf who cheated on you)
3-Jeremy (cheating with your best friend's bf)
4-Robert (he's pathetic)
5-Mike (making him cheat on his gf)

Ian:
1-Cindy (cheating with your friend's gf)
2-Emma (cockblocking your best friend from someone he has legit feelings for, kinda NTR vibes)
3-Minerva (kinda being blackmailed into fucking her? Making a married woman with children cheat)
4-Cherry ((cockblocking your best friend from someone he could have possibly gotten with)
5-Allison (cockblocking your friend from someone he was looking to get his dick wet, pretty much a non-issue)
6-Holly (literally no problems unless you cheat yourself)
7-Lena (same as above)

It speaks volumes that Ian's most problematic relationship is only as bad as Lena's third worst. And Ian's second and third worst are at most as bad as Lena's best!

Even Lena's sapphic relationships aren't safe from being problematic, what with Ivy and Louise. Only Holly is wholly good, holy God!

You say "making X cheat" a lot. No one makes someone else cheat. At worst you could say they shouldn't try to tempt or accept the advances of someone else who would be cheating, but ultimately it's the responsibility of people in relationships to remain faithful. Besides, these are all young, single folks (apart from Minerva, Cindy, and Wade). Why wouldn't they want to play the field and/or just enjoy sex? If you don't want any of that, just play the characters to only ever pursue one love interest and avoid all cheating? If anyone is making anyone cheat in this game, it's YOU as the player.

 

[GaRbS]

You say "making X cheat" a lot. No one makes someone else cheat. At worst you could say they shouldn't try to tempt or accept the advances of someone else who would be cheating, but ultimately it's the responsibility of people in relationships to remain faithful. Besides, these are all young, single folks (apart from Minerva, Cindy, and Wade). Why wouldn't they want to play the field and/or just enjoy sex? If you don't want any of that, just play the characters to only ever pursue one love interest and avoid all cheating? If anyone is making anyone cheat in this game, it's YOU as the player.

I'm not complaining about there being cheating or saying that I don't want it. I'm saying it's unfair that Ian's love interests are objectively better than Lena's. The solution I would want for this problem is not to remove the LI's that are there or change them, but introduce new and better ones. But I realize that's a pipe dream at this point in development and I wouldn't want the game to take longer to finish its story by focusing on unnecessary stuff.

Also, Cindy and Wade are far from the only not single people in the game? Jeremy and Louise, Mike and whoever the fuck his gf is. Besides, cheating was only one of the things I said about Lena's LI's, Axel and Seymour are still even worse than cheating.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

Ian is not trying to prevent Jeremy or Perry from getting laid, his is just winning the race.

In Jeremy and Alison's case, Ian can cockblock the former from chasing the latter which give you a massive penalty to the boys' friendship.

Note, Robert will not stand up for Lena when it matters unless she sleeps with him. You can "lead him on" until chapter 3 without sleeping with him and keep things in friendly terms (he says he will speak in Lena's favor), but if you choose to not have sex with him by then, they will start arguing and Lena will end up being fired early the same way as if she had rebuffed him from the start.

Robert only wanted one thing from Lena and will not have her back and help her keep her job unless she gives it to him, plain and simple.

No wonder dating Robert gives you Bad Jess.

hi, How can I make Lena accept Ian's proposal for the relationship?

Make sure Lena cuddles with Ian after one of their sex scene. I forgot which one exactly.

 

[Blurpee69]

I just thought of something that I thought might be funny, although I'm 99% sure of the answer, and was just wondering if anyone else has done this already.

If holly_change is supposed to represent Holly becoming more like Lena, then how does the scene at the end of chapter 10 play out if Lena hasn't had any relationships with anyone aside from the ones that add to the holly_change count? I'm assuming that Holly will still go home with Mark, as 1) I think the only trigger for that outcome is is Holly / Ivy / Lena have sex which is how we get the most holly_change and 2) Ivy starts to take the reigns on how Holly is influenced.

Feels like the only variable with regards to Holly going home with Mark or not is if the scene with Ivy / Holly happens at Ivy's appartment.

 

[ffive]

Feels like the only variable with regards to Holly going home with Mark or not is if the scene with Ivy / Holly happens at Ivy's appartment.

Holly leaving the party with Mark depends on multiple factors:

* Lena needs to encourage Holly in chapter 7 for Holy to even consider it
* Lena and Holly can't have sex
* Lena doesn't interrupt Holly and Mark during the chapter 10 party, or Holly's change variable is at 4+ if she does
* as second chance of sorts, if Holly is wavering, Lena can Push her in chapter 10 to leave the party with Mark. If Lena picks Let Holy decide then Holly will go for it if her change variable is at 5+

 

[mommysboiii]

I just thought of something that I thought might be funny, although I'm 99% sure of the answer, and was just wondering if anyone else has done this already.

If holly_change is supposed to represent Holly becoming more like Lena, then how does the scene at the end of chapter 10 play out if Lena hasn't had any relationships with anyone aside from the ones that add to the holly_change count? I'm assuming that Holly will still go home with Mark, as 1) I think the only trigger for that outcome is is Holly / Ivy / Lena have sex which is how we get the most holly_change and 2) Ivy starts to take the reigns on how Holly is influenced.

Feels like the only variable with regards to Holly going home with Mark or not is if the scene with Ivy / Holly happens at Ivy's appartment.

stop I am still madling like crazy about this holly change thing because I did EVERYTHING to corrupt holly with my lena and she never goes home with mark when together with ian and ivy magicaly stop pushing her ???? which dosent fit her cheracter at all even if I do EVERYTHING to change sweet/inoccent holly I really hope its more like a thing that holly corrupts maybe slower when together with ian because of a logical reason because old inoccent holly that dosent care about appearance and sex actually has feeling for him would make sense I guess maybe???otherwise its just a dumb and stupid decission to not upset crybabys because than you have a corrupted holly in the future that acts like a nun unless with ian were she than acts like a pornstar in the future which would make basicly zero sense to have the holly change viable if together with ian so I really really hope its a logical thing and that this things dont happen with alison and cindy decissions/playing like a soyboy beta/carefree decissions to not protect certain cheracters from cuorruption should have consequences even if you are in a relationship otherwise CORRUPTION makes no sense

 

[mommysboiii]

Holly leaving the party with Mark depends on multiple factors:

* Lena needs to encourage Holly in chapter 7 for Holy to even consider it
* Lena and Holly can't have sex
* Lena doesn't interrupt Holly and Mark during the chapter 10 party, or Holly's change variable is at 4+ if she does
* as second chance of sorts, if Holly is wavering, Lena can Push her in chapter 10 to leave the party with Mark. If Lena picks Let Holy decide then Holly will go for it if her change variable is at 5+

you forgot the dumbest and unlogic viable relationship with ian

 

[ffive]

you forgot the dumbest and unlogic viable relationship with ian

Well yeah, if Holly is in relationship with Ian then she won't be hooking up with a random dude just to remind herself what it's like to get laid. She has Ian's dick for that :v

 

[mommysboiii]

Well yeah, if Holly is in relationship with Ian then she won't be hooking up with a random dude just to remind herself what it's like to get laid. She has Ian's dick for that :v

dude we are talking about corruption viable I would agree with you if you dont push holly in a direction and if ian says i love they way you are (innocent/sweet like she is at the moment) than I would 100% agree with your logic but if we talk about corruption than no it dosent make any sense for a corrupted holly to play like a nun book nerd and a pornstar at the same time in the future

 

[ffive]

dude we are talking about corruption viable

No, you are talking corruption. That's not how the developer perceives the role of this variable. You even have it written down in the game script, so am not sure why you'd choose to ignore it in favor of your false interpretation.

(for what little it's worth, Holly's perception of Lena, i.e. what that variable drives her to be like, is "friendly, cheerful... and so pretty." Yeah, that just screams moral corruption and unbridled sexual lust)

 

[mommysboiii]

No, you are talking corruption. That's not how the developer perceives the role of this variable. You even have it written down in the game script, so am not sure why you'd choose to ignore it in favor of your false interpretation.

holly change stands for corrupted holly in the future there will be 2 versions for holly sweet/innocent like at the moment and corrupted

like in her old game good girl gone bad with the best friend that had 2 versions in the changed/corrupted version she would do all kind of dancing/cheating and slutty things that made logical sense for the corrupted/changed person to act that way

so yes it would make logical sense for corrupted /changed holly to act more likle ivy/corrupted lena in the future

 

[ffive]

holly change stands for corrupted holly in the future there will be 2 versions for holly sweet/innocent like at the moment and corrupted

like in her old game good girl gone bad with the best friend that had 2 versions in the changed/corrupted version she would do all kind of dancing/cheating and slutty things that made logical sense for the corrupted/changed person to act that way

This game is not GGGB and the developer is on the record stating with this game they're trying for something different than just repeat of their previous title. Again, you are choosing to ignore what they've actually said in favor of what you want.

Even presuming for a moment for the sake of argument this "corrupted Holly" is something that will eventually make an appearance, she is nowhere near this point yet at this stage of the game. So your complaint she isn't already willing to lust after random dicks while in relationship is quite premature for her present character.

 

[Blurpee69]

Holly leaving the party with Mark depends on multiple factors:

* Lena needs to encourage Holly in chapter 7 for Holy to even consider it
* Lena and Holly can't have sex
* Lena doesn't interrupt Holly and Mark during the chapter 10 party, or Holly's change variable is at 4+ if she does
* as second chance of sorts, if Holly is wavering, Lena can Push her in chapter 10 to leave the party with Mark. If Lena picks Let Holy decide then Holly will go for it if her change variable is at 5+

All of those have a holly_change variable attached to their decision. Encouraging Holly is a +1, Lena and Holly having sex takes away from the +2 you get from staying with Ivy and having a threeway. At that point holly_change should be well over 5+ for the Mark decision, so Lena cannot step in there.

My original question was really more of an alternate reality where say Ian and Lena are celibate, except in the instances required to add to the holly_change variable, but still push Holly to be more outgoing. If two of the three people Holly is most influenced by are by all means not having any sort of sex, or really showing any interest in relationships what is the holly_change variable actually doing. More of a thought experiment I guess than what is in the actual game.

 

[ffive]

My original question was really more of an alternate reality where say Ian and Lena are celibate, except in the instances required to add to the holly_change variable, but still push Holly to be more outgoing. If two of the three people Holly is most influenced by are by all means not having any sort of sex, or really showing any interest in relationships what is the holly_change variable actually doing. More of a thought experiment I guess than what is in the actual game.

As mentioned above, the variable is associated with Holly's image of Lena as someone "friendly, cheerful and pretty" (and also not cripplingly shy). Lena's sexual practices and behavior have no bearing on it and don't impact variable's value in any way.

The points of change are: (+1 Ian comment, +1 Ivy talk, +1 cock dildo, +1 give number to guy, +1 marcel, +1 lena shooting)

 

[manscout]

All of those have a holly_change variable attached to their decision. Encouraging Holly is a +1, Lena and Holly having sex takes away from the +2 you get from staying with Ivy and having a threeway. At that point holly_change should be well over 5+ for the Mark decision, so Lena cannot step in there.

A lot of variables have capped growth in this game. A lot of the checks end up being like "if holly_change < x; then holly_change++". You don't need to maximize every opportunity to gain "holly_change" to reach the maximum intended value for the current part of the game.

 

[Blurpee69]

holly change stands for corrupted holly in the future there will be 2 versions for holly sweet/innocent like at the moment and corrupted

like in her old game good girl gone bad with the best friend that had 2 versions in the changed/corrupted version she would do all kind of dancing/cheating and slutty things that made logical sense for the corrupted/changed person to act that way

so yes it would make logical sense for corrupted /changed holly to act more likle ivy/corrupted lena in the future

I don't think it's really a corruption mechanic. If it is, then I agree with ffive that we're to early in Holly's story for it to be a full on Eva from GGGB, becoming a slutty drug using gang whore doesn't really seem in the cards for Holly for at least another 5-6 chapters.

All of the changes for everyone in ORS has been much more of a slowburn than what we got in GGGB. Pretty much as soon as the first club scene in GGGB, you can have a fully bad Ashley and Eva.

 

[GaRbS]

How many girls can Ian fuck in a single route? I mean, the ones that aren't exclusive to each other. I know that Cindy and Holly are, but what about Allison, Cherry and Emma?

 

[gena orlov]

How many girls can Ian fuck in a single route? I mean, the ones that aren't exclusive to each other. I know that Cindy and Holly are, but what about Allison, Cherry and Emma?

Alison, Cherry, Cindy (or Holly), Emma, Lena and Minerva, it's possible in a one playthrough.

 

[mommysboiii]

I don't think it's really a corruption mechanic. If it is, then I agree with ffive that we're to early in Holly's story for it to be a full on Eva from GGGB, becoming a slutty drug using gang whore doesn't really seem in the cards for Holly for at least another 5-6 chapters.

All of the changes for everyone in ORS has been much more of a slowburn than what we got in GGGB. Pretty much as soon as the first club scene in GGGB, you can have a fully bad Ashley and Eva.

I think I am getting trolled at this point to be honest this are the things that influance the change viable (+1 Ian comment, +1 Ivy talk, +1 cock dildo, +1 give number to guy, +1 marcel, +1 lena shooting)

ivy talk : is very sexuall open minded talk about about ganbangs big diks holly about a random guy that fucks her
dildos : lena looks at a lot of different dildos and sextoys with her
give number to a guy : gives number to a random as fuck boy that ivy want to meet holly to give her more experince
marcel : the bouncer that flirts with holly she get attention for first time
lena shooting : again very sexual
than she change into more sexy cloth and underwear and magicly gives a better blowjob go to ivy classes religiously

and if we have her old game in mind and see all this things ofc holly change is a corruption viable hello???and ofc it makes sense if holly gets corrupted remember (ITS YOUR CHOICE as a player you dont have to change holly with lena)than it makes no sense if holly gets more and more open minded and sexual that she dosent cheat on ian in the long run so the relationship restriction make no sense with the corruption it would only make sense if you as a player chose to not corrupt holly than your ian and holly can have a sweet romantic realtionship with no drama at all and you can be happy and cuddels and than itwould make sens that holly only has eyes for ian and dont want much to do with ivy or drugs or anything in the futre but only than it would make sense

 

[Blurpee69]

Did you ignore the second sentence in my first paragraph? I never said that Holly was incorruptable, I said that if it is in fact a corruption mechanic, rather than Holly coming out of her shell, then we're still a couple of chapters away from that. Hell, in every scene with Holly except the gym and the club in chapter 10, Holly still is dressing in her normal attire. I wouldn't even call what she's wearing in either of those scenes "slutty" either, just cloths that reflect the confidence that is growing in herself and her body.

If Holly goes home with Mark, we're at maybe like step three, after 10 chapters, if you're comparing to GGGB. Eva and Ashley had hit not just sex, but drugs, piercings, and slutty cloths by what I would consider the second or third chapter. Again, ORS is much more of a slow burn on any sort of corruption mechanic.