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I should probably do a save for a run without having Mina go unfaithful, probably closer to when another playthrough nets more outcome content for that.
Quite a few options to pursue here and their actially all very interesting to see how pursuing each one independently will vary than a standard harem end.
That said that Wednesday date with Felicia is kinda peak excitement for me right now but I'm guessing that's really far away because the next part is the 2nd Carnation event which I assume is the real big boi update periods?
Quite a few options to pursue here and their actially all very interesting to see how pursuing each one independently will vary than a standard harem end.
That said that Wednesday date with Felicia is kinda peak excitement for me right now but I'm guessing that's really far away because the next part is the 2nd Carnation event which I assume is the real big boi update periods?
Yes, we do! Maybe not the Kath and Chuck fans, since their goal is corruption fun.
I agree on this to a certain point, you know my earlier posts on this topic. As I said back then, I do not want to make light on the problems of bankrupcy, but in the New World it is less problematic than here in the Old World. I know from enterprises in the US or Kanada where the boss went bankrupt multiple times(!) before until finally getting it right and it was viewed often as just a "so what?". Here in Europe you don ´t need to try for starter money if you went bankrupt 3-4 times before, period. So while Veronica´s situation is bad, it is not unsurmountable so.
Point taken, but Feli has an important reason to do it like this. Country Club connections and all that can be observed by her husband, since they are the same circles he is in or knows well. Felicia wants connections and infuence outside the reach and knowledge of Elias, which is why she came to the PC Club.
Elias made a big mistake and douche move, when he did not save Felicia´s hometown school after she begged for it and would have been peanuts for him. He is so rich, saving a small city school would hardly make a dent in his money bag, not to forget the good PR he could have gotten.
Felicia is understandably angry and that was the main reason she went to Carnations. Gaining power and influence outside her husband´s view, to have an Ace of her own in the hand and finally being able to rebuild/reopen the school for all the kids in her small home city. Considering her high sex drive, the "shit and giggles" stuff was just a bonus for her, which we already saw during the early competition rounds.
Thank you!
Here we have to give a big thumbs up to the creators, TD1900 and GIL3D, because even here choices will matter, the various paths already starting to play out differently.If we play Edwin as a nice and decent lad, who wants to help the 3 Carnations attain their goals, we might get it in the End, I am quite sure. And where he gets the girl of his dreams exclusively, be it Hana, Mina or one of the Carnations. (Maybe even one of the "side" girls, as a curve ball)
But we might also gain success, if said nice Edwin likes much fun in the bed (being a bit to medium corrupted, even high corruption, if thoughness stays lowish). Having fun with the Carnations and still helping them.
We will also see, I am sure of it considering how different certain paths already play out, a harder Edwin, helping the Carnations for substantial own gains. Or an Edwin helping them, but his gains surpassing those of the 3 girls.
Then there are the possibilities of an Edwin helping just one or two Carnations, throwing the other under the bus for it.
Last but not least there are numerous path variants of a thoroughly corrupted Edwin or one siding with Kath and/or Chuck, where the Carnations might get what they want, but only by staying/working with the Club.
And then are the really dark paths with the new drugs, human trafficking and other stuff.
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"Cut your losses and move on" is a very rational thing to do, but can be quite hard if you are emotionally attached to something.
Lots of people stay in an objectively toxic relationship, because they hope they can turn it around, if they just invest enough effort into it.
Or less dramatic, but from personal experience: My first Motorcycle was a lovely Lady from 1973, around 20+ years old back then, and she had a lot of issues. I poured a lot of money (relatively, i was still a student back then) and time into her, but i rarely ever drove her. Whenever one part was fixed you could be sure another one broke down not long after.
My Mother took my motorcycle to the junkyard while i was studying abroad (rational thing to do, no emotional attachment); i am still angry with her.
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Yup, youre right, i overlooked the Elias factor in her decision.
Still, when Felicia and Edwin sat down in her secret place, and she told me about her reason to join the competition my (as Player) first impulse was like "Are You fucking kidding me? Why would you do that?!" and choosing the "She IS being dumb" option; but of course i went with the diplomatic "caution her, but you believe she can do it" one. i am rooting for her, i really do, but i think chances are low, that she will be ever anything more than a glorified whore to the other club members; look at Kathleens position in that regard. She is playing a high risk game here.
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Veronica is the tall redhead Carnation, she already had plenty of content. Do you mean someone else?
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That is true, cutting your losses can be really hard, if emontions are involved. Kath seems to have a nose for cases like this, since she makes the choices among the various candidates.
I am no motorcyclist, but know a bit about them. Who was the manufacturer: BMW, Zündapp, Adler, Horex, Kreidler, Simson, NSU or Kalex? Because I know how loyal some fans were/are to some types.
Feli is definitely playing a high risk game here, as far as her win and her following gains are concerned. She knows it herself, she mentions it. It won´t be easy, but she has the chance to succeed. Not only because of her looks, but she has a uniique selling point. She has/is THE inside connection into Elias Ford´s little Empire and we already saw that there are a couple Club members, who would like nothing more than to gain access or infos to use.
And I think most of them would underestimate how crafty and intelligent Felicia truly is. And there might even be a couple who would truly appreciate her for who she is. But since there are sharks among thems, it is not an easy game to play.
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read my post #4172 a few pages above about that, i believe she will get some scenes. but afaik there isnt any official statement yet.
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Nice bike, considering that Kreidler was bought off in 1982, no wonder you had problems with getting good parts for it. Their bankrupcy was one thing that could have been avoided. The leadership invested too late in more modern equipment.View attachment 1598644 View attachment 1598679
it was a Kreidler LH, Chrome Tank, Leg Shield and off-road tires.
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Yeah, but lets close this case about my bike now, since it could be considered off-topic and therefore rightfully get deleted by mods. Initially i shared it cuz i thought it was a funny story and illustrates a bit better Veronicas mindset about her gym.
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I don't know. For all Hana's affectations, she's been pretty reserved when it comes to her relationships from what we've seen. IMHO she'd absolutely be up for a threesome with Mina under the right circumstances, but I think she'd want a better idea of where she (and Mina) stands with the MC if it ever came to pass. I don't think Hana would be interested in an 'open' relationship.
As Turret said, Ian's been taught to think of relationships as cynical, transactional things. That was his excuse for why he was so uncaring towards Mina:
And you can see shades of that if the MC tells him Mina found the tumbdrive:
IMHO, it seems like Ian did have some genuine feelings for Mina, but he's trained himself to downplay them because that's how it's "supposed" to work. The fact that even now Mina isn't behaving the way she's supposed to is unnervingly confusing for him because it makes it harder to downplay those feelings. Of course, that makes him feel like shit since he treated Mina horribly, so it's no surprise that he's still trying to cling to the idea that she never really cared about him and this is all some sort of con.
To me, that suggests that if we take Mina up on her offer, Ian probably will be gone for good. It's not about the MC 'betraying' him, it's just that we would provide the perfect proof that he was right to be cynical: his behavior didn't hurt Mina in the slightest. She might even be better off for it. No need for painful introspection - full sleaze ahead!
On the other hand, if we pressure Ian to stop being an asshole and make it up to Mina, there's a chance he could start to change. The relationship might still be dead (that's really up to Mina), but it's the only chance I see to pull Ian out of the self-destructive spiral he's in. It's also the right thing to do, which is a nice plus.
It can vary a bit even here in the States. The tech industry has a famously high tolerance for initial failures. Owning a gym may not be as forgiving; there's a much higher upfront cost and much lower expected returns if the business works out. Veronica might have a hard time getting started on a new gym, especially if she goes into bankruptcy with minimal assets relative to her expenses. It would probably be a long process, which raises the question of what Veronica would do for a living until she's ready to start again. With Samson working against her it may be difficult to make ends meet as a freelance trainer, though admittedly Veronica wouldn't know that.Yes, we do! Maybe not the Kath and Chuck fans, since their goal is corruption fun.
I agree on this to a certain point, you know my earlier posts on this topic. As I said back then, I do not want to make light on the problems of bankrupcy, but in the New World it is less problematic than here in the Old World. I know from enterprises in the US or Kanada where the boss went bankrupt multiple times(!) before until finally getting it right and it was viewed often as just a "so what?". Here in Europe you don ´t need to try for starter money if you went bankrupt 3-4 times before, period. So while Veronica´s situation is bad, it is not unsurmountable so.
That's not to say Veronica isn't overly fixated on keeping the gym open. She's a very prideful woman, and the gym is dear to her heart; it's clear she's not entirely rational in her assessment. But it's not JUST about her feelings. There are valid reasons for Veronica to want to keep her current business going if possible. And now that she's involved with the Club, dropping out is not a viable option. Even ignoring Samson, Kathleen is clearly vindictive enough to punish Veronica if she does anything to ruin the Exhibition.
It really depends on how you look at it. Sure, the Club would give her access to a network beyond Elias, but that only helps if the network is willing to help her. Based on what Kathleen and Harper have said (and done), it's not clear they would. Even if Felecia wins I think most patrons would give her the same level of respect than Elias did. So it's a questionable fix.
Felicia's core problem is that she thinks sex appeal is all she's good for. She can't really comprehend the idea of building up her own network of contacts using the tools she already has at her disposal. That's why I grade her objective as the least compelling of the Carnations; even if she wins, it's uncertain if she'd be better off than if she lost and was forced to develop her other talents. Veronica may not be making the best choices, but a pile of cash will address a bunch of her problems. (Obviously Rosalind is far and a way the one with the best reason to win.)
Of course when you get down to it, the Exhibition is just the means to an end. I'd love it if we could find a way to solve all the girls' problems outside the Club and they could bail in the final week en masse. Granted, that would be all but impossible to pull off (as I mentioned, Kathleen is vindicitve), but it would be exceptionally satisfying.
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This may be, but i am not sitting on my hands watching Mina get screwed over and over again, until Killian eventually (or not) sorts out his issues. After all Mina is the victim here, and i am not willing to sacrifice her to better Ian. MyEdwin tried to stay a friend to Ian and even covered some of his shit he pulled, but there needs to be a line. I am honest: I and MyEdwin are interested in Mina also, so that is not entirely altruistic; but it is neither myEdwins nor Minas job to clean up the mess Killians emotional life is.As Turret said, Ian's been taught to think of relationships as cynical, transactional things. That was his excuse for why he was so uncaring towards Mina:
And you can see shades of that if the MC tells him Mina found the tumbdrive:
IMHO, it seems like Ian did have some genuine feelings for Mina, but he's trained himself to downplay them because that's how it's "supposed" to work.
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Pretty much this. Felicia was the one better situated to choose how to go after her objectives of bulding her network of contacts and gaining her own funds thanks to being a socialite married to a inattentive (to say the least) husband. And yet she decided to not use any of this and instead go down the route of dealing with a bunch shady individuals in a sex club.
That is a far cry from Veronica needing money fast to save her business which is very dear to her and Rosalind being threatened by a loan shark. Hell even Lucy trying to give her son a better future, via education, had less choices on where to look for "help" than Felicia.
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To be clear, i am not sure if myEdwin is the better choice for Mina, it could turn out that he is even worse for her than Ian. But at least i console myself for now, that she can level the playground with Ian by cheating with Edwin, giving her some power, confidence and agency back.
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To be clear, I'm not trying to convince Mina to stay together with Ian; as I said, that's up to her. But Ian owes her an apology whether she accepts it or not. That's what I'm trying to accomplish, that and having the MC stick with Ian through the process. He's a friend who needs help, so I'll try to help him.
I don't see that as sacrificing Mina. She's free to make up with Ian or move on. I'll help her either way, if I can. But I don't think starting an affair with her would help her any more than it would help Ian. Granted, I might think differently if I were completely smitten by Mina, but I'm not. She's a great girl but the situation is what it is. (Plus, having played through the scene if you do make a move on her, I'm not sure my MC would be her type.)
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