I think that as of now from the main girls only Hana and Mina can be called actual love interests. Maybe Felicia can also be considered one given the dinner date and her proposal to the MC but I dont think we are quite there yet. The MC is just another club staff member for the carnations (except for Felicia).
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Hi, I've only very recently made an account here to help me keep track of updates. But I have played VNs for a bit longer than few days. I'd say I've played around 20 of the most popular and top rated games on this site. I've delayed playing Pale Carnations, becouse based on the description I thought it isn't for me. But now I've finished it twice back to back and I have to make my first post here.
I've seen the devs of PC posting in this thread, so I hope they get to read this. I want to congratulate you on creating something so special. There are other games here that have many things going for them, like humor, romance, beautiful relationship building, captivating stories etc. but none I've played so far was so sensual or made me think about it so much.
Everything about this game is at least good, so I'll only say what stands out to me the most. The animations are absolutely top notch, one of the bests I've seen in VNs. I'm also impressed how well the music is chosen, the fit of some tracks to their scenes is incredible, really would not be the same without it.
But there are two other things that for me outshine everything else. First, and this one pretty much sells the whole game, is the writing. I've never read anything as hot as the narration during sex scenes in this game. I don't know how you write this stuff and make it sound so good and not corny or cringe. I've read (more like skimmed through lol) some actual published highly rated erotic novels and they got nothing on your writing. I could just read your descriptions and stare at a static image with no animations and it would be a better sex scene than any other game has. And the inner monologue of Edwin is very well written too, rarely do I enjoy reading the thoughts of MC in these games, but here it adds a ton, not only during lewds but at all times.
And the second big thing for me is Felicia, I'll try to explain why. I'm not much into blondes, usually I like black or red heads in these games. Hana should have been my favorite girl really. Also I'm not especially into older women and least of all into married women or gold digging whores. And yet... I just want you to know how perfectly well you hit the nail on the head with Felicia design. I know you wanted it to come out this way, Edwin thinks of her as succubus more than once, uses words like "bewitched" and "put a spell on", you wanted her to be a girl a guy would lose his mind for just by looking at her and with me you got it 100% right. I really don't know what you did exactly, as I said blondes aren't even my type, but her looks and demeanor are just hnnnnngg, I can't stop looking at her when she's on the screen and when Edwin has thoughts of "is she some kind of succubus" I'm thinking the same thing in my head. You've even given her the least sympathetic reason for being in the competition and made her a gold digging whore to balance it out a bit, and it's still not enough of a downside. The scene before week 2 competition, when she just stares in your eyes to make you hard is hotter than anything else I've seen honestly. I know much of it comes to subjective feelings and all, but since you clearly tried for this effect with Felicia, I thought I would let you know how well it worked at least for me. I am very, very impressed how you managed to do this.
Truly the most unrealistic thing about this game is how Felicia's husband was able to refuse to do anything she wanted.
I've seen the devs of PC posting in this thread, so I hope they get to read this. I want to congratulate you on creating something so special. There are other games here that have many things going for them, like humor, romance, beautiful relationship building, captivating stories etc. but none I've played so far was so sensual or made me think about it so much.
Everything about this game is at least good, so I'll only say what stands out to me the most. The animations are absolutely top notch, one of the bests I've seen in VNs. I'm also impressed how well the music is chosen, the fit of some tracks to their scenes is incredible, really would not be the same without it.
But there are two other things that for me outshine everything else. First, and this one pretty much sells the whole game, is the writing. I've never read anything as hot as the narration during sex scenes in this game. I don't know how you write this stuff and make it sound so good and not corny or cringe. I've read (more like skimmed through lol) some actual published highly rated erotic novels and they got nothing on your writing. I could just read your descriptions and stare at a static image with no animations and it would be a better sex scene than any other game has. And the inner monologue of Edwin is very well written too, rarely do I enjoy reading the thoughts of MC in these games, but here it adds a ton, not only during lewds but at all times.
And the second big thing for me is Felicia, I'll try to explain why. I'm not much into blondes, usually I like black or red heads in these games. Hana should have been my favorite girl really. Also I'm not especially into older women and least of all into married women or gold digging whores. And yet... I just want you to know how perfectly well you hit the nail on the head with Felicia design. I know you wanted it to come out this way, Edwin thinks of her as succubus more than once, uses words like "bewitched" and "put a spell on", you wanted her to be a girl a guy would lose his mind for just by looking at her and with me you got it 100% right. I really don't know what you did exactly, as I said blondes aren't even my type, but her looks and demeanor are just hnnnnngg, I can't stop looking at her when she's on the screen and when Edwin has thoughts of "is she some kind of succubus" I'm thinking the same thing in my head. You've even given her the least sympathetic reason for being in the competition and made her a gold digging whore to balance it out a bit, and it's still not enough of a downside. The scene before week 2 competition, when she just stares in your eyes to make you hard is hotter than anything else I've seen honestly. I know much of it comes to subjective feelings and all, but since you clearly tried for this effect with Felicia, I thought I would let you know how well it worked at least for me. I am very, very impressed how you managed to do this.
Truly the most unrealistic thing about this game is how Felicia's husband was able to refuse to do anything she wanted.
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As i first started to hang in this game's forum i expressed energic concernes about the age of the LIs. I myself, despite i try to respect everyone's kink, i can't help but to feel contempt for the concept of a mommy boy MC who want to bang her mother apparently because women after their 30's develope severe cases of macromastia as if it was some kind of tumor. Really i'm not comfortable with this in the slightest.
Now, this game, at least, has very good reason to have women more on their mature side as carnation, and even if Rosalind is clearly there to pander to mommy issues, it's just one of the elements of the game, not the core of it. So i'm now totally on board of the masterly written story.
But i agree with you. I can't see the MC in a lasting relationship with any of the LIs, apart from Hana or Mina. What MC is supposed to be otherwise? Felicia's boy toy? Katherine's personal carpet? Rosalind's daugher's adoptive father?
Not very appealling at least to me.
Unless devs are cooking something really different of those endings where you pick your waifu. It might be more about what kind of man MC will be after getting through the club's debaucery.
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At the current stand in the game I agree mostly with you on this. Hana and Mina (even if I am less inclined to hit on a buddies girlfriend) are the main possible girlfriends/wives for the end of the game. Felicia is practically there as well, not quite as much but nearly so, considering that there is not only the sugar momma proposal, but you can decide to go with her to the art exhibition freely. And you had other dates (in the widest sense) before.
Next is Rosalind with some distance behind the three. Their relationship is currently more about helping Rosi and Momma issues of Edwin, but there is sympathy which can develop durther. Veronica and Kath are behind those 4 by a margin IMO. At the moment Veronica´s relationship with Edwin is friendship the most. She is focused too much on saving her Gym and is mainly playing "for the other team"
, so a real romance has a way to go to happen at all. Kath is a true sadist and while for some that is really great, it is definitely NOT my cup of tea.As I wrote above, with Felicia there is more possible than just being a boy toy. But I think you are onto somthing with your comment about what kind of man Edwin will be after the events at the club. That will have a big influence on who he/we as players chose as wife and what trajetory their relationship will take.
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Interesting tier list. Is ten the best or one? I ask since there are differences between the various nations of the world how they count this.
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late September or October, depending on several development factors. We do not know it more exact currently.
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Similar to others, this game made me question how I felt about a lot of things that I thought were cut and dry. For example, how do you guys feel about prostituting while pregnant? If you asked me before playing this game, I'd easily say it's disgusting, but now I'm interested in both sides of the situation. What do you guys think? And please, keep it civil for the love of Bob.
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Idk if I'd say it's disgusting, but if I was Yoori I'd probably give the club an ultimatum, if you keep Warren around you lose me. Or maybe just nope the fuck out. No amount of money is worth losing the baby if Warren of Samson get too rough. Warren beat the shit out of Emma's stomach specifically too. Just not worth it at all imo.
That actually makes me wonder, what mechanism does the club have to defend against disgruntled employees who threaten to blow the whole operation open? Like I bet if they tried to kick Warren out he would try to sabotage everything. I wonder if that's what Darius did and they had to make him disappear?
That actually makes me wonder, what mechanism does the club have to defend against disgruntled employees who threaten to blow the whole operation open? Like I bet if they tried to kick Warren out he would try to sabotage everything. I wonder if that's what Darius did and they had to make him disappear?
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They kill em? August is a big king pin after all. Sure he has hands in and connection with other significant crime cartels.
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For the other employees there is also the question to whom they will turn for help, because
They can perhaps turn towards the media, but with what? They need to gather extensive evidence, which isn't easy when you're wearing next to nothing as a work uniform. And the media can not assure their security from the rougher instruments in the owners tool kit.
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You make some good points, but I think you could scratch the ATF. Pale Carnations plays over the pond, where legal gun possession is mega-easy and the Club has connections to mercenaries and even official armament firms. No chance that they have lacking licences or excempts for the guns. Likewise the alcohol. It would be an amateur mistake to not have a good alcoholica licence. August is mainly there to keep the day-to-day stuff running and he does not make the impression of being unaware of this.The FBI - Could say that the upscale highly illegal sex club is also engaged in human trafficking and with the introduction of August's associates they very well might be
The ATF (Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms) - They would just say there is a very likely illegal (and modified? IIRC) firearm on the premises and I really doubt they are fully licensed up for Hana to be serving drinks
The DEA - All the person reporting would have to do is say they see cocaine/pill use/distribution, we as readers see 1 confirmed time that someone uses technically illegal drugs when Hana and Jacob are smoking weed after Veronica makes Kathleen cum on stage (IIRC) So we know the club does not have any hard rules against drugs. There is also the very illegal drug kathleen/the doctor/Sophie are making which does not fall under the purview of the DEA but they would still be interested to hear in a drug production facility.
Just off the top of my head and there is already 3 federal (above what the local chief of police) law enforcement agencies that would be at least partially interested in the club. As far as evidence goes you are wrong that they (the person working there) needs extensive evidence all they would need is enough to get a single member of any of those agencies into the building the club is in. It looks normal (but strangely unused) until you get the floor where there is randomly a well dressed (or tank top wearing) guard is standing guarding a random staircase in an abandoned building on a weekend night.... from that point if they dont let them up its obviously suspicious and if they do well then the law enforcement is in the club haha. Even if you want to assume they would not send a single agent to check out a potential lead all they would have to do is monitor the club over a weekend to see that congressmen, foreign diplomats, paramilitary leaders, world renown doctors, the chief of police, and large criminal cartel leaders are all hanging out in the same place....
Edit: If you meant they need evidence to turn towards the media you must not be familiar with the 24 hour news cycle
Concerning Darius: I agree with Simpgor , that Darius successfully blackmailed Kath and got away with it. Because I think it was the first time someone did so and blindsided the leadership/or just Kath. I think this blackmail is one of the reasons Kath is so eager to start a power struggle and did so many backroom deals. She wants full control of the club.
That Chuck is so sure that Darius will not come back and get the rest of his belongings, even if he does not know the full details, is no surprise. If Darius and his girl have any kind of survival instinct, they will keep the hell away from the Club.
I am not sure if the implication that August let Rosi´s blackmailers getting killed is correct. August definitely has contacts into the higher echolons of the criminal underbelly (Otto is one example). If one of those guys tells "just Oliver" and Co. to keep their hands of Rosi, that will be followed, if Oliver knews what is good for him. When this talk about Rosi between Edwin and August happened, I imagined a certain Nino Rota song playing in the background. August does not need to get the blackmailers killed. "Making them an offer they cannot refuse" should be enough. Unless Oliver and Co. are idiots, then they really would walk the plank.
I think the Club has a legit cover. It takes up much space in the building it is located in, is quite lavishly equipped, that is something you cannot hide too well. Not to speak of the consumption of electricity or water. Neither one of the leadership makes the impression of being dumb and covering the bases legally as far as you can, is simply good business practice.
That the books are cooked and likely being used for money laundering too, is on another piece of paper.
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The human trafficking part is outsourced to Augusts' business partners. And if they stay within the states borders, there is no human trafficking at all.
I am not that familiar with the various gun laws in the US, but quoted from Wikipedia
"ATFs responsibilities include the investigation and prevention of federal offenses involving the unlawful use, manufacture, and possession of firearms and explosives (...) The ATF also regulates via licensing the sale, possession, and transportation of firearms, ammunition, and explosives in interstate commerce." Sounds to me as they need to violate federal laws to get the ATF involved.
As for Hana, again Wikipedia:
" Alcohol laws of Maryland vary considerably by county, due to the wide latitude of home rule granted to Maryland counties.
It is illegal under state law for a person under the age of 21 to possess or consume an alcoholic beverage, but the law contains several exceptions:
- Underage individuals who are employees of businesses that hold a valid state-issued liquor license may possess (but not consume) alcohol in the course of their job during regular business hours. Common examples are serving alcoholic drinks to customers of a restaurant, making deliveries for a catering company, and stocking shelves at a store that sells alcohol.
Hana is 22 years old, and why the club should not hold a valid state-issued liquor license is beyond me, that would be dumb, afterall it's just a Gentleman's Lounge?
"The Drug Enforcement Administration tasked with combating drug trafficking and distribution within the U.S.
It is the lead agency for domestic enforcement of the Controlled Substances Act under which the manufacture, importation, possession, use, and distribution is regulated.
The DEA has sole responsibility for coordinating and pursuing U.S. drug investigations both domestically and abroad, sharing concurrent jurisdiction with the FBI, the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and U.S. Customs and Border Protection.
(...)
The DEA is also criticized for focusing on the operations from which it can seize the most money. etc."
Also
"Trafficking Charges
Both federal and state laws come into play on drug trafficking cases. If a person is caught trafficking a controlled substance across state lines, federal law will apply, but if the drug trafficking is entirely within one state, that state's laws will apply."
While the DEA may be technically in charge, and therefore poses a real threat, those excerpts look like that they are usually interested in bigger operations, have bigger fish to fry, than to investigate rather small scale use, possession and distribution of drugs, especially -again- if no state border crossing is involved. Those are rather left to the local police.
How often busts the DEA a random dance club for party drugs, if they have no evidence of a larger scale operation there?
But none of the employees knows of this, except Warren. As for the known use of the precursor: it's more likely an issue for the FDA than the DEA, since it has not found its way into the schedules of the CSA yet. A drug becomes illegal, if it's mentioned in the CSA, not before, and the base substance from which it derivated was legally researched by van Dorens company.
So you assume the club has not a cam at the front door which opens only after the visitors are confirmed? Sorry, i live in inexpensive appartment house, and we have that security. Same for the elevator, which is likely locked until access is granted. There is no way just anybody can walk around freely in that building, else the clubs security isn't worth a penny.
If i were in charge of a federal operation including several agents and had to answer to my superior for the accumulated cost of a weekend long observation of a premise, including the underground garage, which is used by every guest who is not a pedestrian, based on what?
The accusation that this gentlemans club is in reality a brothel, where occasionally drugs are used? That there may be or not a modified gun? That there may work or not a prostitute from Virginia? By an alleged prostitute who is working there? So i can charge, if no drugs or other relevant evidence is found, a handfull of celebrities and politicians with prostitution, which is no federal crime?
That sounds like alot of headache and overtime for a very dubious outcome. If i was with the ATF this outlaw motorcycle club who is dealing in arms with the IRA in Charming, CA would be much more interesting. Same with every other federal agency.
I don't say it's not possible, but i would expect a former employee needs a bit more than that to get the federals interested.
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Yes, killing her loan shark sounds a bit too much, threatening them should suffice.
Not so sure about the first paragraph of your post, though.