VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

With this last update - more good stuff, great images, solid writing, though I'm starting to be concerned with the "trials" scenes having a conspicious absence of...... how do I put this diplomatically....


This is a game about prostitution, and a solid story at that. You would think this would be sufficient to scare off the usual "reee ntr reee" politics and lobbyism that threaten to divert so many games' creative visions. I know the writers here have responded that they're commited to their story, but I dunno.....

I just keep getting the feeling like there should be more FUCKING in the trials. Trials for prostitution. Bluntly, random stuntcocks working the carnations out....

It seems like each trial now is a new set of exercises in degredation without explicit sexual contact (or at least heterosexual); electroshock, eating gross things, bdsm horses - all things certainly under the sexual degredation umbrella, but in the context of prostitution tryouts, the absence of more live dicks as a primary tool is noticiable.

Does anyone else know what I'm talking about or get a similar feeling? Again, I know the devs have professed commitment to a vision, it's just starting to "feel" a little off.

 

[benzene_phi73]

I keep getting an out of memory error when Veronica is told to lick the cattle prod. The game then closes automatically. I tried starting the game from scratch, skipping. I switched off transitions. I then tried using the compressed version above with 80 percent image quality. None of it worked. I am unable to progress beyond this point. I am playing on my laptop with 16GB RAM. So memory shouldn't be an issue. This is the first time this has happened in my playthroughs. Does anybody know what to do?

I found the cause!! It was the renderer. It seems angle2 was having trouble with the licking animation. I switched it back by pressing shift-g and then click automatically choose renderer and that solved it.

 

[TD1900]

It seems like each trial now is a new set of exercises in degredation without explicit sexual contact; electroshock, eating gross things, bdsm horses - all things certainly under the sexual degredation umbrella, but in the context of prostitution tryouts, the absence of more live dicks as a primary tool is noticiable.

I know what you're talking about and with the games have been constructed with Edwin in the driver seat, I can see why you would get that feeling. In fact, every day memebers of our discord community mercilessly bully me about being vanilla.

I will say to the contrary: there's been two (out of four) exhibitions and all of them have involved penises, with the first ending in a bukkake and the second with Ian potentially forcing Rosalind to eat his ass and fucking her on camera. We're not skittish about involving dicks in the games, but besides me personally finding scenarios like the ones in this update interesting and fittingly erotic, there is an order I'm keeping in mind.

All I can really say is, if you want more fucking oriented trials, keep reading our project and see if that changes.

 

[TheSmoothCriminal]

I think this game is doing an amazing job of walking the fine line that keeps more vanilla...ish fans and the more hardcore fans both happy.

Personally I appreciate the fact that MC can be the sole dick being used on the "main" girls and if not giving the option to nope out of that scene.

Besides I'm just here for Hana and Mina and waiting for that whole triangle blow up in my face spectacularly, or not if god (the devs) deem it fitting for to get a happy ending. But this game doesn't really feel like a "happy ending" type of story

 

[Alphaeboy]

Im in the minority but the hottest Mina scene to me was her on MC's lap with her shirt opened. Great intimacy. As to why she didnt go crazy cuz of her list. Poor girl just got out of a relationship where she was told watching porn makes her a freak. Hell, Ian's probably the only person in her life that treats her like a proper adult, It'll take her some time to open all the way up like that.

If I was getting ready to be prodded, I dont know what would be more scary, knowing that I was gonna get prodded 5 with the fifth time being at max or watching the psycho who was about to prod me test it in on himself. Great characterization in that scene defined ech character in that scene perfectly.

Since we're being honest here:

Hana grinding on Edwin on his birthday was the hottest Hana scene for me and the couch scene as well. Those scenes really woke my grinding kink.

 

[ename144]

Seeing as how the game leaked, I went ahead and played the new update early. Overall I'd say it's pretty good; a solid chunk of content, some very interesting characters beats, and an unexpected plot development that keeps the game feeling fresh and lively.

Personally, though, I feel like it's a big step down compared to the start of Chapter 4 because despite the quality, the update was very heavily focused on aspects of the story I find unpleasant. Not bad, just viscerally unpleasant. Granted, a lot of those aspects are baked into the premise of the game so my occasional disappointment is probably inevitable, and my enthusiasm for the game remains sky high. This isn't meant as a criticism, just an observation that it can be difficult to relate to the MC and as a result some parts of the game are lost on me. This update is one of those parts.

But let's get into the details and see what stood out.

Spoiler: Chapter 4 Update 2 - Club Warm Up

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Spoiler: Chapter 4 Update 2 - The Punishment Game

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Spoiler: Chapter 4 Update 2 - Mina

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Spoiler: Chapter 4 Update 2 - Sophia & Abel

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Spoiler: Chapter 4 Update 2 - Other Stuff

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I think that covers it, or at least everything I can think of at the moment. There's a lot to ponder as we wait for the next update. Given Update 3 should have lots of Veronica in it, I'm hoping it will be a little more fun for me.

tl;dr Good update with a lot to like, but not much fun if you aren't into the MC's darker impulses.

 

[DarkLords00]

Another incredible update to an unbelivably enganging AVN. Kudos to the developers and congrats on reaching their milestone of 1000 patrones!

I don’t think there's much to add about the events of the update (nor I think I am good at reviewing content ) but I'll give an opinion anyway.

The club part

Spoiler: The Club Part

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Spoiler: The Mina date

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Spoiler: The Abel visit

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Spoiler: BONUS: Killian visit

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[Mr. Muscles]

I legit was wondering who Edwin was lmao

 

[sunaboz]

BTW, how many of you have unlocked the scene with the best MILF in the game? The requirements to see it are extreme (you need to turn Hana down for some reason) but it's definitely worth seeing.

Spoiler: Grace

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I do wonder how many scenes I've missed earlier, since there is no gallery in the game as of yet (only scene replay) and I have no idea how to see the images in game folder.

 

[camube]

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BTW, how many of you have unlocked the scene with the best MILF in the game? The requirements to see it are extreme (you need to turn Hana down for some reason) but it's definitely worth seeing.

Spoiler: Grace

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I do wonder how many scenes I've missed earlier, since there is no gallery in the game as of yet (only scene replay) and I have no idea how to see the images in game folder.

when can we turn Hana down again?
ruin the date and not have sex? Or not have the date?
When was the choice presented again?

 

[MorbidViews21]

BTW, how many of you have unlocked the scene with the best MILF in the game? The requirements to see it are extreme (you need to turn Hana down for some reason) but it's definitely worth seeing.

Spoiler: Grace

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I do wonder how many scenes I've missed earlier, since there is no gallery in the game as of yet (only scene replay) and I have no idea how to see the images in game folder.

That really is the best milf in the game. i dont even count that as a real scene lol. super short, not even animated and its Edwin's dream. We need a real scene with her.

 

[sunaboz]

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when can we turn Hana down again?
ruin the date and not have sex? Or not have the date?
When was the choice presented again?

The requireements are:

if w2HanaSex == True and  w3HanaDP <= 3

So I'm guessing you need to have a bad date or no date at all. To see this scene I've completely rejected Hana, just to be sure.

We need a real scene with her.

Yup, I've been saying this since the day we've seen her first. There is a good chance it will happen considering their deal.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I know what you're talking about and with the games have been constructed with Edwin in the driver seat, I can see why you would get that feeling. In fact, every day memebers of our discord community mercilessly bully me about being vanilla.

I will say to the contrary: there's been two (out of four) exhibitions and all of them have involved penises, with the first ending in a bukkake and the second with Ian potentially forcing Rosalind to eat his ass and fucking her on camera. We're not skittish about involving dicks in the games, but besides me personally finding scenarios like the ones in this update interesting and fittingly erotic, there is an order I'm keeping in mind.

All I can really say is, if you want more fucking oriented trials, keep reading our project and see if that changes.

Appreciate the response, sorry to hear othes are aggressive on this, I wouldn't want devs to feel besieged, rather I think it would be in service of a better story.

Anyone of us on this thread right now - it'd be easy to travel to Las Vegas, find a high-end hot escort, and say "I care about you deeply and want to be with you and save you from this life", and genuinely mean it. It'd be an entirely different thing to say that honestly after watching her in action with a prostitution john.

I think this game is doing an amazing job of walking the fine line that keeps more vanilla...ish fans and the more hardcore fans both happy.

Personally I appreciate the fact that MC can be the sole dick being used on the "main" girls and if not giving the option to nope out of that scene.

Besides I'm just here for Hana and Mina and waiting for that whole triangle blow up in my face spectacularly, or not if god (the devs) deem it fitting for to get a happy ending. But this game doesn't really feel like a "happy ending" type of story

I would agree that options are always good, no matter what the theme.

I particularly like how the way they do it in PC - usually fits organically in the scene, and doesnt yank you out destroying immersion - instead of the typical *DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THIS CHOICE BIG RED LETTERS NTR NTR???* vs *DO YOU WANT TO SKIP AND HAVE THE STORY MAKE NO SENSE* - here, you have prompts like "Stay and watch Veronica get basted" vs "Go check on Hana upstairs", a sensible junction in the that setting.


One thing to try and sell you on my perspective -
As I replied to TD1900 above; having higher stakes could actually be a plot device to deliver a romance-centric ending. Imagine a character like Veronica; and she's constantly on the fence about the whole thing(as she is now), and it takes her getting to the moment where a group of random guys want to penetrate her for her to have a breakdown and flee the business, which kicks off a side story of the MC looking for her and helping her turn the gym into top form which leads to her romance ending.....

 

[Phase_01]

Anyone found the significance of the casting credit for the hotel porn video?

Charlie seemed like it could be Charles/Chuck
Were there any other names that stood out?

For a sec I thought the girl in that first vid was Ian's mom lol, what a coincidental mirror of Edwin's mom that would've been lol, though I highly doubt it. But Edwin did say she looked familiar.

 

[Phase_01]

I hope this game gets a full gallery one day, for the ppl that can't play every route, or wanna see what other routes can offer.

 

[Fucker289]

I don't know why but for me cheat mod only works half, like for gals I can rise stats, but for other variable like friendship I can't it just stay at 10, I rise it but it get reset back to 10 every time I close mod.

 

[TD1900]

Seeing as how the game leaked, I went ahead and played the new update early. Overall I'd say it's pretty good; a solid chunk of content, some very interesting characters beats, and an unexpected plot development that keeps the game feeling fresh and lively.

Thanks for the usual, ename. Owed to your individual tastes and the unique way you engage with the project, you bring a valuable perspective when you do these summations. It has long been an odd reassurance that despite your distaste for the uglier core elements of the game, you remain enthusiastic about the other aspects and convey your thoughts on it extremely well. Your insight on the punishment game and what you extracted from it is particularly indicative of my feelings.

(Probably not) Interesting to note, but the original conception of the Mina scene had the porn stuff at the forefront. When we were searching for a map to use, a good TV was one of the key elements. Things got shuffled around as the scene developed and unfolded in real time, as they tend to do, so your remark about wishing we had leaned into it more heavily resonated with me.

Another incredible update to an unbelivably enganging AVN. Kudos to the developers and congrats on reaching their milestone of 1000 patrones!

Thank you as well. My favorite part of the Mina scene was also the build up. I had a lot of fun writing the chemistry between the two. Particularly when they're face-to-face, half-dressed, and sharing the wine, but also afterwards when they decompress and Mina talks about her dad and the philosophy she inhereted from him.

Appreciate the response, sorry to hear othes are aggressive on this, I wouldn't want devs to feel besieged, rather I think it would be in service of a better story.

Ah, it's nothing like that. When I said mercilessly bullied, I meant it tongue-in-cheek.

I hope this game gets a full gallery one day, for the ppl that can't play every route, or wanna see what other routes can offer.

What do you mean? All the significant scenes (and probably a few insignificant ones) get replays. Things like that above Grace image is more flavor than anything meaningful. So in the case you're some weirdo who didn't bang Hana, it was a single image trying to make the absence of content a little more interesting.

Unless you mean like a full blown image gallery instead of a scene replay. To which I'd say, uh... the game presently has like 18,000 images. In that case, I suggest just checking the game's internal files.

Unless unless you mean a way to unlock the scene replay without playing, then there are third party ways of doing. A gallery unlocker gets promptly posted after every leak.

 

[endless1m]

I have no idea how to see the images in game folder.

maybe somebody answered you already (tread thread very carefully, didnt play yet)

just use 'unrenpy' from here. easy as standing up. game folder than has a folder named images or something. maybe make a copy of the game just to be sure, but normally doesnt mess up anything

sadly my computer cant show webp pics, so I additionally need to convert them into jpeg or something...

 

[endless1m]

does somebody know what update number ch4 update2 is?

like v0.8 or v0.11 or something?

couldnt find out so far... =)

 

[JakoDel]

Edwin hates having his mental capacity jeopardized by the perfume. You get some of that in a couple of other scenes when Kat employs it.



Oh, certainly. And we we recognize and lean into that aspect when planning updates. As someone who likes a mix of content, there's a very deliberate effort to chase unsavory elements with softer ones. It's meant to further the push and pull of Edwin's relationship with the club - because while players likely already know what kinda ending they want - ie, be a sadistic bastard or burn the place to the ground, Edwin still has to get there. That tempo was why there was a nice chunk of Hana in the wake of Week 2, and why Mina followed so closely after Edwin potentially had too much fun cattle prodding the girls and fucking his boss' face.

Don't get me wrong, both the pigtails serve a function beyond the balancing act. Hana is fundamental to the club story line and Mina's relationship with Edwin will play out in varying ways and effect multiple character paths, but they were initially conceived for that purpose.

I do wonder if some people didn't find it as enticing because it wasn't as "bombastic" as Hana's scene - because both Hana and Mina scenes from the last two updates were equally vanilla in my opinion, it's just that Hana was more of a whirlwind that pulled Edwin along while Edwin he was in the driver's seat for Mina's hotel date. I was hoping for a nice passion vs sensual contrast with the two being so close together.

(Sorry for being rambly, sometimes I use replying to these posts as a chance to work out my own thoughts.)



I do think this scene will play favorably for her future content. Her telling Edwin to "let go" and live out his desires holds the potential for things to get quite intense.



He does actually manage to impress Abel during that scene, but as you put nicely, it's not a calculated move. Just incidental of him having a temper tantrum and being truthful with his observations.

Welp I guess I should have figured that out myself. It's a bit of shame that my second question didn't get a reply though : ), but I'm just being greedy here. Many thanks for replying and being this open to us players!