VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5] [Mutt & Jeff]

[se20299]

I still think she has an affair with Ian.

That might be an interesting twist, but I doubt that's what's going on. Victoria is the one woman that Ian sees as a human being, and due to his Madonna/whore complex, the only woman he can't see sexually. Of course, if poor Ian finds out that his pure, precious Vicky had more DNA on her than a sperm bank, that could change very quickly. Since the only other people that know about Vicky's career are Hana and Kathleen, I doubt Ian's going to find out unless Kat's planning something diabolical .

Speaking of Kat, I find it odd about how quickly she found out about Vicky's career, considering how apparently Victoria never gained "mainstream" pornstar popularity, and how she was able to return to a low key, normal life after she was done with porn. Now either Kat did an extremely through background check on Edwin, which I find odd considering he's just a helping hand and how Chuck explicitly told her not to fuck with Edwin's head.

The more interesting possibility is that Edwin and Vicky's circles overlap far more than either of them suspect. I think August and "Uncle" Chuck are very intimately acquainted with Vicky than poor Edwin suspects. Considering her aloof reaction to Edwin mentioning Chuck and how she apparently looked "as if she wanted to say more", and her odd reaction to Edwin asking about August, I suspect that she knew both of them during her career. And considering Chuck's apparent "proclivities", she possibly had some bad experiences with him and is extremely wary of him now. Kathleen possibly found out about Vicky's past from August, and decided to fuck around with Edwin boy's head, the sociopathic bitch that she is. What she didn't expect is that Edwin already knew. Turns out Kathleen was looking for copper and struck gold. There's no way she can resist fucking with Edwin now, despite Chuck's warnings.

Vicky is already suspicious about Edwin's activities, and she may confront him about his mysterious "job" sooner or later, and then all hell will break loose. But that's just my opinion.

 

[lkjhgfdfghjkl]

the only woman he can't see sexually

Didn't he get caught recoloring her dirty underwear when they were younger? Instead I get the impression that Ian does not want to be seen as someone who views her sexually

Of course, if poor Ian finds out that his pure, precious Vicky had more DNA on her than a sperm bank, that could change very quickly

This could be constructive or destructive for his character, interesting either way. Edwin must be running out of videos.

 

[Gab1]

Thing has a nice turn, i still want to speak about felicia but first Victoria

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Now about Felicia.

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[Deleted member 5730975]

I still think she has an affair with Ian.

Me too but it is mostly just copium because I want to see Victoria get fucked hard. And not just in 2 second porn clips from 10 years ago. I doubt I will get what I want though.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I still think she has an affair with Ian.

She definitely hasnt, otherwise her dialogue during potential 3some woulda been much different.

 

[Deleted member 5730975]

She definitely hasnt, otherwise her dialogue during potential 3some woulda been much different.

Sorry what are you talking about? Potential threesome with Victoria? When does that happen?

 

[JasonsGranpa]

She definitely hasnt, otherwise her dialogue during potential 3some woulda been much different.

Sorry what are you talking about? Potential threesome with Victoria? When does that happen?

Victoria, Veronica, Felicia. It all becomes one jumbled mess in the mind.

 

[rippertipper]

Victoria, Veronica, Felicia. It all becomes one jumbled mess in the mind.

What's in a name? That which we call a carnation, by any other name, would smell as sweet.

 

[JasonsGranpa]

it is more probably that he didnt help her because this was the first time that he saw her show initiative, and he didnt like that.

i am not making Felicia a victim but this was a little too much even by this twisted relationship they had.

I think this is more likely than my guess.

Regarding the lower part: Since both Elias and Felicia were disgusting spouses to each other from the beginning, but people feel strongly about Elias since he topped it with his malicious denial of supporting the art school - this logic would then dictate to hate Felicia even more since she turned it up to 11 with humiliating her husband to the core in front of all his powerful peers.

 

[Bill Temple]

What's in a name? That which we call a carnation, by any other name, would smell as sweet.

*except after a competition, when they stink sex, sweat, and sometimes copious amounts of fresh-squeezed ball juice

Spoiler: a sweet-smelling Rose?

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[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Thing has a nice turn, i still want to speak about felicia but first Victoria

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What are you talking about? The first time Ian sees felicia naked is after the dare party post dance club get together. (if you picked those choices). That's before anything else in the club story, before her husband is even introduced, etcetcetc. Again, I've no idea what you're talking about unless this is from the perspective of someone who hasn't explored those paths, or if I'm misunderstanding you through some translation error......

 

[Joshy92]

I don't really like what happens to the girls in the club but I really like how we have the option for the mc to be nice to the girls
and try and help them.
I don't think I would play this if the mc was just another arsehole without any choices for the player.
I like to treat girls with love and compassion whenever I get the choice in visual novels.

 

[BrockLanders]

*except after a competition, when they stink sex, sweat, and sometimes copious amounts of fresh-squeezed ball juice

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Smells like bleach.

 

[Takkatakka]

She definitely hasnt, otherwise her dialogue during potential 3some woulda been much different.

Pretty sure you're confusing Rosalind and Victoria. Rosalind definitely got fucked by Ian before you even meet her.

But with Victoria there are just so many strange coincidences when she and Ian just happen to show up together or he shows up at her house. She also has no problem just wearing a towel in front of him. Ian obviously has no problem fucking older women. Even Ian getting the MC the job could be part of it. Victoria not wanting to get into a new relationship now that the MC is out of the house. Ian not being to broken up about Mina, maybe because he is in another relationship with someone he actually loves? Etc. etc.

All of this is very much conjecture and TD most likely will be somewhere between laughing and shacking his head about this, but sometimes it can be fun to theorize.

 

[Nulldev]

What's in a name? That which we call a carnation, by any other name, would smell as sweet.

"What is a maid? Ice and desire."

 

[Deleted member 5730975]

Pretty sure you're confusing Rosalind and Victoria. Rosalind definitely got fucked by Ian before you even meet her.

But with Victoria there are just so many strange coincidences when she and Ian just happen to show up together or he shows up at her house. She also has no problem just wearing a towel in front of him. Ian obviously has no problem fucking older women. Even Ian getting the MC the job could be part of it. Victoria not wanting to get into a new relationship now that the MC is out of the house. Ian not being to broken up about Mina, maybe because he is in another relationship with someone he actually loves? Etc. etc.

All of this is very much conjecture and TD most likely will be somewhere between laughing and shacking his head about this, but sometimes it can be fun to theorize.

Sorry but this does not make sense to me. As much as I want Ian to bang Victoria I think this is a bit of a reach.

- Ian fucking Victoria to get Edwin the job makes no sense. There are several scenes that show that Ian puts Edwin on a pedestal and is willing to do anything for him. Additionally Victoria does not like the idea of the MC working under chuck. She (correctly) thinks he is a bit off.
- Ian is definitely hurt by the breakup. He just does not know how to process his feelings. If you have a high enough bromance score with him you can talk to him about it. It is easy to see that the breakup is bothering him. The way TD has written Ian is brilliant - he is the most realistic and complex character in the game imo.
- Just appearing in a towel does not mean they are banging. Victoria thinks of Ian as a kid the same as Edwin. She did not have a problem appearing in a towel in front of Edwin either. It is the same thing with Ian.
- Ian's relationship with his maid is different from his relationship with Victoria. He respects Victoria unlike his maid. And we have seen how he treats older women in bed during his scenes with Rose and the maid. The way he acts around Victoria is completely different.

 

[Takkatakka]

Sorry but this does not make sense to me. As much as I want Ian to bang Victoria I think this is a bit of a reach.

- Ian fucking Victoria to get Edwin the job makes no sense. There are several scenes that show that Ian puts Edwin on a pedestal and is willing to do anything for him. Additionally Victoria does not like the idea of the MC working under chuck. She (correctly) thinks he is a bit off.
- Ian is definitely hurt by the breakup. He just does not know how to process his feelings. If you have a high enough bromance score with him you can talk to him about it. It is easy to see that the breakup is bothering him. The way TD has written Ian is brilliant - he is the most realistic and complex character in the game imo.
- Just appearing in a towel does not mean they are banging. Victoria thinks of Ian as a kid the same as Edwin. She did not have a problem appearing in a towel in front of Edwin either. It is the same thing with Ian.
- Ian's relationship with his maid is different from his relationship with Victoria. He respects Victoria unlike his maid. And we have seen how he treats older women in bed during his scenes with Rose and the maid. The way he acts around Victoria is completely different.

- That is not what I wrote. It could just be a gesture from Ian towards Vicky as well as the MC.
- Maybe...we haven't really seen enough of him after the break-up to really see how hurt he is or isn't but overall he seems to take it pretty well. Specially since it bothering him could also be more about losing a trophy than losing a girlfriend, but we will (probably) see more later.
- Sure, it is no definite proof but (most likely wrong) conjecture. At the very least I would find it a bit strange.
- Sure it is different and I didn't wrote it is the same now, did I? All I wrote is that he has no problem fucking older women.
- Yes, he treats Vicky differently, which is actually a potential argument for my theory if anything. It can go both ways and it is probably meant as more of a mother-son relationship, I would agree. She basically is the mother he wants to have and that is most likely all there is. But it COULD also be more...again...conjecture.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Pretty sure you're confusing Rosalind and Victoria. Rosalind definitely got fucked by Ian before you even meet her.

But with Victoria there are just so many strange coincidences when she and Ian just happen to show up together or he shows up at her house. She also has no problem just wearing a towel in front of him. Ian obviously has no problem fucking older women. Even Ian getting the MC the job could be part of it. Victoria not wanting to get into a new relationship now that the MC is out of the house. Ian not being to broken up about Mina, maybe because he is in another relationship with someone he actually loves? Etc. etc.

All of this is very much conjecture and TD most likely will be somewhere between laughing and shacking his head about this, but sometimes it can be fun to theorize.

I was referring to felicia, indeed the first message of yours I responded to I confused you with someone else since you were referring to vic/ros - my mistake. There have been others that continued the notion of felicia/ian and I wanted to correct the record, but yours was a mistake.

 

[JasonsGranpa]

Still looking forward to 'Pale Carnations DLC: Ian Has Fun/How To Be A Bro'

 

[Deleted member 5730975]

- That is not what I wrote. It could just be a gesture from Ian towards Vicky as well as the MC.
- Maybe...we haven't really seen enough of him after the break-up to really see how hurt he is or isn't but overall he seems to take it pretty well. Specially since it bothering him could also be more about losing a trophy than losing a girlfriend, but we will (probably) see more later.
- Sure, it is no definite proof but (most likely wrong) conjecture. At the very least I would find it a bit strange.
- Sure it is different and I didn't wrote it is the same now, did I? All I wrote is that he has no problem fucking older women.
- Yes, he treats Vicky differently, which is actually a potential argument for my theory if anything. It can go both ways and it is probably meant as more of a mother-son relationship, I would agree. She basically is the mother he wants to have and that is most likely all there is. But it COULD also be more...again...conjecture.

I still dont see it but let's leave it at that. Personally I think our best hope for Victoria scenes is if Edwin convinces her to date again. But that would be a bit detached from the club and the overall story so it might be hard to add scenes of her without forcing it. While I dont think Ian already banged Victoria, I do think that an Ian x Victoria scene is possible to write. But I dont know if the authors want that to happen because narratively Victoria is already doing what she is meant to do. She is meant to be a moral compass for Edwin in contrast to Kat who is trying to corrupt him. She does not need any more development beyond that. I could see scenes with her if the devs want to make really fucked up endings where people like August/Chuck get to her if the MC turns against them but I dont know if TD will go that far (I personally would not mind because well written bad endings are so rare in AVNs).

I find her model really attractive so I am hoping we get something with her eventually. I would even settle for a longer porn scene beyond the 2 second clips we have seen so far. What I really want is a Hana/Mina x Victoria scene but that is simply not going to happen.