VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[JasonsGranpa]

Either or I would say. At least so far we only know that she is very desperate and fears for the well-being of her child, so she does what she thinks she has to. I also think she is a lot more of a deviant than she seems to let on, but we will see if I'm right with that further down the line, I guess.

Of course for MC as is she is simply too old and I don't think she is looking into ever starting a serious relationship with him. So in terms of the game that might not happen. For the MC Hana or Mina (so far) are probably the best options for a serious relationship.

Yeah, I also think the game strongly shows Roses awakening sexual degeneracy.

Otherwise I wrote more about Rose and the problems her behaviour will cause above. Not even mentioning the potential effects on her daughter later - like with MC and his mother.

Thanks for the answer.

 

[Wallet]

Hey, Started playing this game a bit ago and enjoying it so far. Just a quick question though.
Can you get locked out of content?

Currently just finished the Diner scene before the first week 1 end, and Rosalind is asking if im still up for helping her win. There's 3 options with one of them being [full deal]. If I select that would I be locking myself out of other content with the other girls?

 

[Bill Temple]

Have ugly tats like Harper.

Just out of curiosity: the problem is the wabori (japanese art style), horimono (full body tattoo), or tattoos at all?

 

[JasonsGranpa]

Hey, Started playing this game a bit ago and enjoying it so far. Just a quick question though.
Can you get locked out of content?

Currently just finished the Diner scene before the first week 1 end, and Rosalind is asking if im still up for helping her win. There's 3 options with one of them being [full deal]. If I select that would I be locking myself out of other content with the other girls?

The 'full deal' doesn't lock you out of other content afaik. You can definitely get locked out of content though by for example choosing not to go the 'full deal' route, not choosing similar decisions with other girls, or just not having enough LI points. Not sure if you can see everything/almost everything in 1 playthrough. Best option for that is probably using the walkthrough mod and getting a headache by trying to figure out a perfect way with the pdf walkthrough. Worst case you can always see the scenes in the gallery with the gallery unlocker of one of the mods.

 

[TD1900]

Just out of curiosity: the problem is the wabori (japanese art style), horimono (full body tattoo), or tattoos at all?

The problem is Red's broke-ass brain.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Soldiers were discussed before. Let me add policemen to the mix. They are inherently risking their lives for their job, so they should never have relationships, or marry, or have children, right? How arrogant is for them to weigh so much on the shoulders of their dear ones, right?

Risking your life at your job is fundamentally a different kind of burden to impose on your loved ones as having sex with other people at work. I suppose the word arrogance could be applied equally, but it feels a bit off since generally risks of death do not carry any benefit to the recipient, whereas while I assume the majority of sex work isnt pleasurable for the woman, I'm sure a fraction is. It's also just different at a basic level, we all know sex is special no matter how hard people try and trivialize or commodify it.

Summarizing: the profession by itself is not the issue. People, context and circumstances are the issue.

I can very comfortably say I would never get in a real world relationship with anyone who has sex for work, no matter how amazing their personality aside from that work may be. The fact that they have sex outside the relationship may not be an issue for you, but it is for me, and probably others.

Having said that, that doesn't prevent me from enjoying the in game characters, particularly Felicia, and imagining a fantasy relationship with them.

 

[Turret]

Thanks for answering!

I totally forgot about that part of Rose. The manipulator is strong in her. Absolute no-go. I liked her sticking with a man through very difficult times. Its rare since a while. Also her submissiveness and until then seemingly sleeping sexuality.

I voiced my opinions on Feli and Mina enough already, but the cheating wish on her part seems to be because of wanting to understand why Ian cheated all the time. True_Degenerates post showed the CG where she at least paints it like that in the bathtub with MC.
I think the crucial question in regards to a girl cheating on her BF/husband is: do girls cheat if they still view their man as desirable? or is it a sign she lost interest/respect/love already and is looking for a substitute?
and
why would a girl cheat once but not again a second time? especially if she sees you forgive her, even though cheating was clearly an absolute no-go from the beginning
Is there sexual acts she could have done before meeting you which you couldnt look past?

Hi and thank you too for your back answer!

As for Rosi, like I wrote in earlier posts, I admire sticking with her husband, like you said it is rare today, even if that piece of s... did not earn that steadfastness. Also her fighting for her daughter and I understand why she tries everything to win with the abyssal deck she got dealt by fate. But how and how much she tries to manipulate is the dealbreaker for me in Rosi´s case.

Mina wanting a planned cheating is the dealbreaker for me. Cheating is already one in most cases for me, but the planning part makes it worse in my opinion! Mina does not want a hall pass or swinging, something you could discuss about beforehand and decide together if you two do it or not. She wants to cheat, which is the wrong choice from the start, no matter the reason.

I answer your question about me being able to possibly forgive a cheating even if it is a no go for me in one with the Mina stuff. First as mentioned before chearing is a no go for me. That said, I´ve been around quite a bit in my life so far. I have seen many beautiful places and meet really nice people I remember fondly, but I have also seen places and people which were the opposite and I certainly did not search for this to happen.

There are all kinds of people out there and among them are most definitely some "predatorous players", men (and a lesser amount women) for whom homewrecking and getting/seducing others to cheat is a deplorable hobby. Some of these sharks have taken it to a shady artform, who can influence even very firm and steadfast persons if the situation helps them.
So while I hope and am reasonable sure my better half and/or I would not falter under heavy "assault"/seduction attempts, we are all human and 100% sureness is not in the cards except one day we all have to die.
So I might be able to forgive her a completely out of norm one-nightstand or "holiday of craziness", she would have difficulties to explain to herself as well, if she comes clean of her own choice.

But I could and would not forgive further cheating, hiding it or planned cheating. It is one thing if she possibly succumbed because everything conspired against her, a timespan which will never repeat itself due to singular circumstances and a whole other thing if there was planning, it kept ongoing a long time or such stuff.
I hope this explains my standpoint on this and why Mina´s pre-planned, maybe hidden cheating she wants to do is anathema for me relationshipwise.

As for sex acts done before meeting me which I could not look past, that depends. If she did it as a curious testing of the the waters or a dare, sin of the youth style, then it is the past and has no bearing on our relationship.
It would be different if she has a preference for a sex act I cannot stand at all or could not care less for. This could be a dealbreaker, but less because of the act itself, but because it is doubtful we would be much compatible in bed and/or mindset.

 

[riggs4714]

The moment I saw Kathleen's veiny titties, was all in.

 

[JasonsGranpa]

Hi and thank you too for your back answer!

As for Rosi, like I wrote in earlier posts, I admire sticking with her husband, like you said it is rare today, even if that piece of s... did not earn that steadfastness. Also her fighting for her daughter and I understand why she tries everything to win with the abyssal deck she got dealt by fate. But how and how much she tries to manipulate is the dealbreaker for me in Rosi´s case.

Mina wanting a planned cheating is the dealbreaker for me. Cheating is already one in most cases for me, but the planning part makes it worse in my opinion! Mina does not want a hall pass or swinging, something you could discuss about beforehand and decide together if you two do it or not. She wants to cheat, which is the wrong choice from the start, no matter the reason.

I answer your question about me being able to possibly forgive a cheating even if it is a no go for me in one with the Mina stuff. First as mentioned before chearing is a no go for me. That said, I´ve been around quite a bit in my life so far. I have seen many beautiful places and meet really nice people I remember fondly, but I have also seen places and people which were the opposite and I certainly did not search for this to happen.

There are all kinds of people out there and among them are most definitely some "predatorous players", men (and a lesser amount women) for whom homewrecking and getting/seducing others to cheat is a deplorable hobby. Some of these sharks have taken it to a shady artform, who can influence even very firm and steadfast persons if the situation helps them.
So while I hope and am reasonable sure my better half and/or I would not falter under heavy "assault"/seduction attempts, we are all human and 100% sureness is not in the cards except one day we all have to die.
So I might be able to forgive her a completely out of norm one-nightstand or "holiday of craziness", she would have difficulties to explain to herself as well, if she comes clean of her own choice.

But I could and would not forgive further cheating, hiding it or planned cheating. It is one thing if she possibly succumbed because everything conspired against her, a timespan which will never repeat itself due to singular circumstances and a whole other thing if there was planning, it kept ongoing a long time or such stuff.
I hope this explains my standpoint on this and why Mina´s pre-planned, maybe hidden cheating she wants to do is anathema for me relationshipwise.

As for sex acts done before meeting me which I could not look past, that depends. If she did it as a curious testing of the the waters or a dare, sin of the youth style, then it is the past and has no bearing on our relationship.
It would be different if she has a preference for a sex act I cannot stand at all or could not care less for. This could be a dealbreaker, but less because of the act itself, but because it is doubtful we would be much compatible in bed and/or mindset.

Enjoyed reading that.

Fully agree on Mina. Refreshing to see someone seeing it like that. While its probably supposed to be calming that she found the cheating shitty, its just an horrible character trait to deliberately choose to plan and go through with something that malicious. What will stoke her curiosity next? Jesus, dont let her watch Hannibal Lecter.

Feel the same about what you wrote about Rose.

I think the conscious homewrecking thing is a female past time. Men wreck homes by just not caring about it and wanting to fuck that woman, but the desire to trump over another woman by taking the man from her is a really womanly thing in my books. But maybe I have too good views on men - given all the netori games.

What you wrote on cheating is interesting. Years ago I had similar views. Now it would be a absolute end - even if its an unfortunate situation like you described. Thats actually why I think being "controlling", even though everyone and their mother tries to shame men for it, is a good thing and a sign of care and love. You try to protect the treasured relationship with your woman by not allowing her to get into situations where there is a heightened risk of falling pray to such "overwhelming seductive situations" - like clubs, girls nights out, drinking, vacations with just girlfriends. I know, archaic views, but they were popular views for good reason back then.

Same with trying to preempt situations were rape could happen. I'd rather not be in a situation where I have to decide if I can continue living with a girl for which sex has become a thing of horror. I rather say "no, you wont go there alone at night dressed like that - if you want our relationship to continue."

Sex acts: also no problem if she participated in 2 girls 1 cup, or went to the cemetery occasionally?

What was the for you subjectively most beautiful place you liked?

 

[DarkLords00]

It's always interesting to see the kind of discussions you guys get up about this game.

That is quite easy to answer. I am a rather laidback person and there is not much which can really alienate me, but there are some principles I do not move an inch.
I do not abide
- Chronical lying, which to a certain point include so called "white lies". I am honest and straight when it comes to questions, I expect my partner to be so as well. We can talk about anything and solve it, no lying required at all. Certainly there are some small, little secrets every person has and some things you say due to politeness, that is not the point. But for the big questions impacting a relationship honesty is king, even if the questions are "delicate".
- Disrespect from either side. Since we talk here about porn shots and prostitution, let us stay with this. I would expect the partner involved in it to be stopping this "work" due to respect for the developing relationship and love interest. If both partners discuss it and come to the common made solution that he or she can continue or start to do it at a later date in the relationship, that is another thing. The pair discussed and decided in a partnership(!) how it goes onward, as it should be. If it means a stop of the sexual work or a continuation that is the pairs question to answer together.
- Backhandedness and obfuscation, unsurprisingly related to the points above. To put in pointedly, her being a brazen slut is not the issue if you know BEFORE fully commiting! You know what the situation is and you can decide if it is a dealbraker for you or not. Learning afterwards piecemeal is a no go.
Same with cheating. It should not happen, but we all are human. An unplanned one-nightstand or a "weekend/holiday of craziness" due to some predatorous player should never happen and would hurt like hell, but I could forgive it if she comes clean on her own and it was a onetime thing. Even a late confession on her own would not be "ok", but acceptable, you know what I mean.
A complete no go would be a hidden ongoing affair or a forced by circumstances confession.

So for me in PC Rosalind and Mina are already out, Felicia depends on how she develops further and Dalia we do not know enough about to say so. While I understand Rosi´s reasoning and her crappy situation, she tries too much manipulation in the background for me to consider her relationship material.
Mina struck out with her "bucket list". Not only is the list hidden for the most part, but the explicitely "wanting to cheat" part! Mina is not wanting a hall pass or so, but explicitely wanting to cheat. A hall pass or swinging is something you can talk about and decide to do it or not, that is ok in my book, a pair deciding how "adventurous" they want to be.
But planned cheating as Mina wants to do, nope, as I wrote above that breaks it for me.
Felicia is still realtionship material, even more so as the game goes on. When we play her path, it becomes clear Feli would not even be at the club, if Elias was not such a complete idiot who cheats on her and disrespects Feli massively. Had Elias helped Felicia save her hometown school, which he could have handled easily and even made great PR with it, we would never have met Felicia at all or only as a friend of Mina.

So I want to ask you, if Mina and Rosalind are out for you according to what you expressed here; Why isn't Felicia disqualified also?

Last I checked:
-She is also a cheater
-She planned to do it (As revenge for the Art school situation)
-She is a total Nympho

Personally, I wouldn't want a romantic relationship with any of the characters IRL for different reasons.(After all this is why videogames and stories exist, no? To experience what you would not normally do or see in real life) but I am curious to see why do you think that Felicia could be relationship material when she is vindictive enough to sell herself to damage her husband reputation.

And to clarify, I am not arguing Elias didn't deserve it but just as with Ian and Mina, we did not see the full extent of their relationship.

Sorry if I came off as facetious or condescending I am just legitimately curious.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

It's always interesting to see the kind of discussions you guys get up about this game.



So I want to ask you, if Mina and Rosalind are out for you according to what you expressed here; Why isn't Felicia disqualified also?

Last I checked:
-She is also a cheater
-She planned to do it (As revenge for the Art school situation)
-She is a total Nympho

Personally, I wouldn't want a romantic relationship with any of the characters IRL for different reasons.(After all this is why videogames and stories exist, no? To experience what you would not normally do or see in real life) but I am curious to see why do you think that Felicia could be relationship material when she is vindictive enough to sell herself to damage her husband reputation.

And to clarify, I am not arguing Elias didn't deserve it but just as with Ian and Mina, we did not see the full extent of their relationship.

Sorry if I came off as facetious or condescending I am just legitimately curious.

Regarding Felicia,

Last I checked:
-She is also a cheater
-She planned to do it (As revenge for the Art school situation)
-She is a total Nympho
-She is a total Smokeshow
-She is down for group sex orgies

We all know these professed moral codes can crumble pretty quickly when the girl is hot enough

 

[Deleted member 5730975]

-She is a total Smokeshow
-She is down for group sex orgies

We all know these professed moral codes can crumble pretty quickly when the girl is hot enough

Same can be said about Mina though. For the group sex we need to ease her into it but she will get there. And in terms of attractiveness it is subjective but I think she is better looking than Felicia.

 

[JasonsGranpa]

We all know these professed moral codes can crumble pretty quickly when the girl is hot enough

Especially if they continue to look like that well into their 50s

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Same can be said about Mina though. For the group sex we need to ease her into it but she will get there. And in terms of attractiveness it is subjective but I think she is better looking than Felicia.

Indeed, just like my hatred of anime is subjective. To each their own.

THough I wish we were talking about Mina in this sentence, her personality would be a lot more fun for a group.

 

[redknight00]

Just out of curiosity: the problem is the wabori (japanese art style), horimono (full body tattoo), or tattoos at all?

The colors, they are just awful and i don't know what it's supposed to be.

 

[Idontplay]

I would agree (no, I totally agree), but "de gustibus not disputandum est" so if she likes her tattoo, she can keep them and I will keep another woman.

 

[Turret]

Wow, so many questions, so few time

While its probably supposed to be calming that she found the cheating shitty, its just an horrible character trait to deliberately choose to plan and go through with something that malicious. What will stoke her curiosity next? Jesus, dont let her watch Hannibal Lecter.

It is this casual pettiness coming through, no matter how much Ian derserved it and pulling his best friend into this mess as well, is the main kicker for me. While part of it is her inexperience with Life, this strucks a wrong chord with me, since the reason for it is so weak.

You try to protect the treasured relationship with your woman by not allowing her to get into situations where there is a heightened risk of falling pray to such "overwhelming seductive situations" - like clubs, girls nights out, drinking, vacations with just girlfriends. I know, archaic views, but they were popular views for good reason back then.

I see your point on this. My take on this can be a bit flippantly compressed into a quote from an old song: "So, Darling, save the last dance for me!" Especially if we both are in attendance and can look out for each other.

So I want to ask you, if Mina and Rosalind are out for you according to what you expressed here; Why isn't Felicia disqualified also?
Last I checked:
-She is also a cheater
-She planned to do it (As revenge for the Art school situation)
-She is a total Nympho

Last I checked:
-She is also a cheater
-She planned to do it (As revenge for the Art school situation)
-She is a total Nympho
-She is a total Smokeshow
-She is down for group sex orgies

We all know these professed moral codes can crumble pretty quickly when the girl is hot enough

Felicia´s situation is a bit different. As far as we know, we would never have met Feli as anything else than Mina´s friend had Elias not done what he did. Felicia even put up with being cheated on by Elias until the Art school situation happened, which was a really big action of disrespect and kicking her metaphorically as a bonus!
Even if their marriage is more a business situation, what Elias did was complete ...! He had to know that Felicia would be passionate about her former Art School, being a prize-winning artist herself. Saving or reopening that school is something which would not have inconvenienced Elias, he is that rich and also given him great PR! In addition, he would have gained Feli´s complete and utter loyalty, despite his continued cheating on her.
Elias showed such utter disrespect and disdain for her and their marriage in that situation that I fully understand her desire for revenge. Her cheating is more a side effect of her revenge plan, would she see other options without cheating being better or higher probability of success she would do so. That she has great sex with the MC and in some other situations is a bonus for her, since she has a high sex drive.
Feli did not start cheating for such "casual", petty reasons as MC has a nice dick, she wanted to see how cheating is or just for fun and diversity, but as means to an end (which she tells the MC). While I do not like that she cheats here, that is a different situation to other cheating.
It is one thing if there is a pair living together without big problems and suddenly bam, one of them cheats and another if your partner treats you like dirt and you are finally fed up.
Hope this explains it a bit, I do not know if all arguments come across right in English.

As for Feli being a Nympho or Hedonist, this is something she does not hide. So we can decide before going fully into a relationship if we are ok her being like that and we can discuss with her how we could live together.

 

[Onesandzeroes]

This game is actually too funny sometimes

 

[Biscardone]

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Thanks to you both for your answers! Pardon me if I don't reply to your messages point by point; I'm already verbose as is, and I don't want to repeat treaded ground too much. I'll just ask to consider the following.
Many of the points you raised about sex workers can be reduced to a single fundamental point: coercion, explicit or implicit. The fact that many sex workers (actors or prostitutes) have horror stories derive, in my opinion, mostly from the fact that they cannot choose clientele or exercise "service agreement", or even require a modicum of empathy during the act. But this isn't, or at the very least it shouldn't be, a given for their profession: it's a matter of circumstance.
As for the implicit value of sex, well, I don't think there is any in the act itself. People give it value. And that's where things get fuzzy: if you're sharing a "special moment" with someone you love, you and your partner are giving value to it. But one partner may want a quickie, or may experience some "sexual fatigue", or have unfulfilled fantasies ("you have betrayed me in your mind!" scenarios). Do these things devalue sex? And from the flip side, what about a couple's previous relationships, do the sex they had (the amount of which will inevitably grow in time) devalue the sex they are having now? In my opinion, the value of sex is to be given and agreed by both partners; that's why being a sex professional does not implicitly and necessarily debase the act itself. Still, I recognize this is mostly a grey area, and I can see people disagree; or as we said, not wanting a relationship at all, it's perfectly fine and understandable.
All in all, sex work (and sex, by extension) isn't something to be romanticized; but it's equally wrong to "demonize" it. As we said, it's always better to avoid extremes and apply some finesse to one's judgment. The game, even with a "novelized" view of reality, provide ample thinking material about the aforementioned matters, and this is something I think we can all agree upon being so good about it, even with our different views on things.

 

[Gab1]

Well well well, such an interesting topic.
whenever i want to have a good conversation i come to this game.

my take? it is complicated.

the great mayority of interview i have seen of pornstar are pretty hard. sexual abuse, hard childhood, pedophilia, mental problem, etc. i am not saying that everybody is like that, for example there are porn actresses that has become respectable artist but it is real weird.
my point is that a job where you trivialize such intimate moments can damage a person, but it is true that there are other jobs that do the same without being so disliked.
since we talk about soldiers and policemen, they are jobs that affect relationship heavily, we know that stadistically a Big number of soldier relationship finished with cheating, no all but the mayority of it, witch is really terrible, and that without saying how many people has lost their life for being close or a relative of a police person, my point with this is that Jobs can affect a relationship whether is right or wrong.
so you has to take the fact that a person is a porn star o prostitute seriously if you want to be in a relationship with one, it is not a thing that shouldnt care.

but lets remember that this people are that... PEOPLE, as such if we know them and understand them a relationship shouldnt be imposible.

it is what happens in this game, we get to know closely all the Lis, we see what bothers them, what they like and why they act like they do.
in my case i havent see someone in those characters that i would really dislike, what show us that the devs are really good.

in case of Mina, she has seen so many cheatings in her mother relationships, and with Ian, i dont find so weird she wants to understand why people like it so much, some people need weird experience to make their mind, how many people cheat on their cheating parnerts just to feel that they are worth something, i dont hate Mina in that mindset, yeah is cold but to take this choice, she has to think about it hard, and we knows that Mina is the kind of person that think a lot about life, even then if you choice to wait until she has broken up with Ian, it looks like she doesnt Cheat on him at all, she is the kind of person that needs to have a conection to someone to have sex, that is why she ask you if you like her before asking about become phisical, to me if i could understand a person it could be posible to have a relationship, after all comunication is the most important in one, now i would still choice The others Li if i have the choice.

With Roselind is a bit tricky, she is desperate, since it isnt just her life that it is at risk, in such situation anything that would take your mind out of your problem would "help"... yeah she is not just a victim but it still affect her, it is true that she is a closet pervert and she is finding some side of herself that enjoy the situation in the club, but i think Rose isnt thinking clearly right now, so i wouldnt judge her as an horrible manipulative slut until she has been out of her problem, i do think she would be a great wife if given the choice but after this experience who knows.