VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[ArsenHumby]

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[Darreau91]

MC finally hooking up with Killians moms this update so Killian can revenge hookup with Victoria as a bad end? Almost feel bad for how much Victoria has Killian blue balled with all the teasing lmao.

 

[Ungawa]

MC finally hooking up with Killians moms this update so Killian can revenge hookup with Victoria as a bad end? Almost feel bad for how much Victoria has Killian blue balled with all the teasing lmao.

I really, really don't see it. As it stands, Killian knows that MC is perving on his mom but it's really just that. For Killian, it's been clear that he looks up to Vicky as the mother he didn't have from teaching him piano to how much he is the little brother to MC and son-like to Vicky.

Even in the drinking game, Killian admits he's not perving for Vicky. With all the access to poon he has, all he's done to Mina, Vicky is the one woman he really doesn't want to do much with sexually. He even feels discomfort telling her white lies.

I really can't stress this enough that people don't focus on the relationships and how they are in the game and I'm left scratching my head sometimes at what they see, but that's just me.

 

[Darreau91]

I really, really don't see it. As it stands, Killian knows that MC is perving on his mom but it's really just that. For Killian, it's been clear that he looks up to Vicky as the mother he didn't have from teaching him piano to how much he is the little brother to MC and son-like to Vicky.

Even in the drinking game, Killian admits he's not perving for Vicky. With all the access to poon he has, all he's done to Mina, Vicky is the one woman he really doesn't want to do much with sexually. He even feels discomfort telling her white lies.

I really can't stress this enough that people don't focus on the relationships and how they are in the game and I'm left scratching my head sometimes at what they see, but that's just me.

Thats kinda why I went with revenge angle lol. Killian looks at MC like a bro he never had, him hooking up with his mom as an reward for a deal is big time bretrayal. Killian seems like the petty type to me atleast and he does have an attraction to Victoria. There is always a little bit of truth in "jokes." Victoria came around Killian with only a towel, woman knows what she is doing and its not out of the realm of possibility for her to have some fun with Killian if player encouraged her to meet someone.

 

[Mark17]

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Hello Everyone, as of earlier yesterday, proofing is well underway on Chapter 4 Update 5. Since our tireless typo crusaders have already eaten up tracts of script, I feel comfortable making a concrete announcement. You'll find the earlier release schedule in the attached image, but what you can expect from this update:

• 3,657 new static images, 86 new animations, and roughly 66,000 words.
• Content for Rosalind, Kathleen (for those that are on her “homework” path), Darius plot advancement, a juicy scene with a certain side character, and a big penultimate event that features the whole cast mingling in highly variable ways.
• GIL also reshot like 77 prologue images that have been bugging him for years over the past couple of days.

As you can see, we’re adding an extra patron tier to the mix (Diamond Club Member), as well as folding Gold Members into the early release schedule. This accompanies a price refresh (all old members are grandfathered into the old prices) that Patreon suggested we do. We’ve always been reticent about touching our pricing structure. For one, it’s difficult to bake value into the tiers in a meaningful way as we intentionally avoid perks that eat into dev time (like commissions) or dictate content (voting power on polls). The Club Owner tier only came about after a handful of people asked about supporting us beyond our initial offering. Something in between the two always seemed like a sensible idea, and we are now finally getting around to adding it. It’s not much, but Diamond Club members and above will be able to request 4k renders of any image in the game and get access to GIL’s vault on our discord, a place where GIL occasionally posts upcoming images, old works of his, or discarded animations we end up not using for various reasons. Additionally, we’ll be adding a credit page to the game. Club Owners: all you need to do to get credited is DM us either on patreon or discord with the name you’d like to be forever memorialized under. This retroactively applies to former Club Owners as well. If you at one point supported us at that tier, please also DM us with the name you’d like us to use. We can check our records and confirm. Anyway, this update has been a long time in the oven. Our longest, actually. That so many of you have supported us in the interim between releases means everything to us. Thank you for letting us do the thing we love year in, year out. It is my Christmas wish that we’ll live up to that, both for this update specifically and beyond the New Year.

Porn Games developers ever since Dec. 01:

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[Mark17]

Porn Games developers ever since Dec. 01:

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No seriously, these guys are not playing:

Pale Carnations;
Eternum;
Q-Prey 2;
Midnight Paradise;
Life in Santa County;
Night Drive;
Parasite Black;
What a Legend;
Naruto: Shinobi Lord;
Myth of Slayer
...

AND... much... much more.

 

[Darreau91]

No seriously, these guys are not playing:

Pale Carnations;
Eternum;
Q-Prey;
Midnight Paradise;
Life in Santa County;
Night Drive;
Parasite Black;
What a Legend;
Naruto: Shinobi Lord;
Myth of Slayer
...

AND... much... much more.

The flipside is the rest of winter and early spring is going to be sparse as hell with quality game drops with most of the devs blowing their wad on christmas presents.

 

[Ungawa]

Thats kinda why I went with revenge angle lol. Killian looks at MC like a bro he never had, him hooking up with his mom as an reward for a deal is big time bretrayal. Killian seems like the petty type to me atleast and he does have an attraction to Victoria. There is always a little bit of truth in "jokes." Victoria came around Killian with only a towel, woman knows what she is doing and its not out of the realm of possibility for her to have some fun with Killian if player encouraged her to meet someone.

It's sort of not. The relationship that Killian has to his mom is that her cold logic isn't what he's looking for. Vicky's is. They hang out shoot the shit, but he's not gunning for her.

You look at his mom and everything is cold logic, with little warm emotion. She's willing to pay MC money to get Killian into college. Yet she does pediatric work and loves kids, just not her own. That's the dichotomy we're dealing with. In a sense, she's a foil to Vicky (warm and empathetic) as well as Kathleen (Sadistic with a side of empath).

For a revenge angle to make sense, Killian would have to show interest in that exchange and he basically doesn't see her that way. Look at his relationship with Mina. He cheated on her, had side chicks galore (including the hair dresser) and only if the MC forces him to reflect a bit does he get better at noticing his own behavior. I mean, if you really want, you can hug Mina tighter right in front of him as they're going out and he doesn't feel a thing.

But notice the anguish when Killian has to tell a white lie to Vicky and you know she hits different. The relationship he's built with both Vicky and MC are a solid one and I don't put much into him wanting revenge on a mother he really feels cold on.

Can it happen? Sure, but I think the chances are a bit lower on that one...

 

[sunaboz]

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You look at his mom and everything is cold logic, with little warm emotion. (...)

No it's not. You're looking at this from Edwin's perspective because she's cold to him and gets to business immediately but she has plenty of love for his son which even Edwin noticed and defended Grace with: "C'mon, you know your mother loves you...". And later we've had this dialogue option:

Spoiler: a scene from Prologue

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And even though she wasn't a fan of Edwin's she tolerated him and allowed Ian to be friends with him which tells a lot about her character (in a good way). Same goes for her to allow him to go to a public school after he begged ("He had trouble fitting in, so he begged and begged his parents to let him attend a government-run school. We met, hit it off. The rest is history as they say.").

Heck, they even went on vacation together (it's from a scene where Mina asks Edwin about Chuck and PC club):
I used to go on vacations with Ian's family when we were in middle school.

She's tried herself "dozens of times" to convince Ian to go to college but when that didn't work out she didn't hesitate to reach out to the person she didn't like and even offered him "anything he wants" in exchange for help (which this being a porn game I interpret in one way only :]). If that doesn't show she loves him I don't know what does.

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[Ungawa]

No it's not. You're looking at this from Edwin's perspective because she's cold to him and gets to business immediately but she has plenty of love for his son which even Edwin noticed and defended Grace with: "C'mon, you know your mother loves you...". And later we've had this dialogue option:

Spoiler: a scene from Prologue

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And even though she wasn't a fan of Edwin's she tolerated him and allowed Ian to be friends with him which tells a lot about her character (in a good way). Same goes for her to allow him to go to a public school after he begged ("He had trouble fitting in, so he begged and begged his parents to let him attend a government-run school. We met, hit it off. The rest is history as they say.").

Heck, they even went on vacation together (it's from a scene where Mina asks Edwin about Chuck and PC club):
I used to go on vacations with Ian's family when we were in middle school.

She's tried herself "dozens of times" to convince Ian to go to college but when that didn't work out she didn't hesitate to reach out to the person she didn't like and even offered him "anything he wants" in exchange for help (which this being a porn game I interpret in one way only :]). If that doesn't show she loves him I don't know what does.

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That's exactly my point here. Grace is very logical in her decision making and it may come off wrong but she doesn't know how to connect. I'm not looking at this from Edwin's perspective, just taking her at her word. I'm not doubting she loves her son. She doesn't know how to connect with him. At all. Vicky can and has a stronger empathic relationship.

All of these interactions scream to me logic without empathy.

Now compare that to Kathleen who does strong logic but has the emotional depth to change tactics when she sees one isn't working to get what she wants. Kathleen is the most truth telling sadist in the game. She figures out what makes people tick and exploits weaknesses but has the tact to read the people and the room both on stage and off.

Grace has love, no question. She just doesn't know what to do to connect. Her last name might as well be Spock in the game because it's almost the same thing.

The entire game basically has people act as foils to compare and contrast against each other with two sides to everyone ala Alice in Wonderland. For Grace, we get a weak emotional side and strong logic which gives us someone that wants to connect as a mother with their own son but struggles in that. Vicky has strong empathy which acts as a foil to Grace. Nothing wrong with either approach. We just see how they have their own strengths and weaknesses.

 

[strangelandQQ]

Looks like I'm going to miss a lot of content in my main save file because it has no deal with Rosalind and minimal contact with Kathleen.

I suppose it's time to try some other routes and choices

 

[Birdnman993]

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How curious that they all have blue eyes, in short, the color of corruption.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

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I think we need to come up with a name like style <Boxing day> because there are a lot of updates other's games coming out on Christmas!

It's fucking Avn's day!

 

[TD1900]

Looks like I'm going to miss a lot of content in my main save file because it has no deal with Rosalind and minimal contact with Kathleen.

I can say that there is a path for no deal Rosalind, provided you have a decent amount of affection with her. That route is also available for people on her Full Deal path as well, but there is a full deal exclusive branch as well. However, if you avoided that route because you didn't want to take advantage of her then that scene probably isn't your jam to begin with.

The Kathleen path is contingent on visiting her over the other options at the end of exhibition 2. Anyone who has seen the scene where she sends you a bunch of weird shit in a suit case will be good to go for her content this update.

The group scene is more difficult to narrow down on what choices will give you the most bang for your buck if you're setting up a new save. There's some obvious straight forward stuff; a romantic relationship with any of the heroines will provide some options for branching, but various Mina and Hana variables will intersect in different ways depending on how you choose to play out the scene. Additionally, for obvious reasons, getting Mina to sign up at Veronica's gym will shape the event differently as the two already know each other. You'll probably be able to make some inferences about what else might be relevant here, but I already feel like I might be revealing too much.

 

[Phase_01]

This game has so many routes, every update always overwhelms me (especially when there's always content on the route I'm not focused on )

Idek how the devs deal with it, let alone players lol

 

[Takkatakka]

This game has so many routes, every update always overwhelms me (especially when there's always content on the route I'm not focused on )

Idek how the devs deal with it, let alone players lol

I never tried to go all the paths. I think I'll try to go with one "optimal" main playthrough because at least so far one does not miss too much going an optimal path. It becomes more and more difficult by now, though and one is missing scenes going only one path.

Maybe I'll do a Hana gf path playthrough, if there is enough content to do that.

Then again...playing another path might cut the waiting time a bit shorter...

 

[pinuz1]

This game has so many routes, every update always overwhelms me (especially when there's always content on the route I'm not focused on )

Idek how the devs deal with it, let alone players lol

Its really not that complicated, I don't even feel there's that many "routes" that would lock you out of content. Most of the time just interacting with the girls would be enough to see most of their stuff.

You can be Hana's BF or stay as fuckfriends, which so far doesn't change much.
Veronica you either treat her well and get to see her more close/romantic scenes or you don't.
Rose has the full deal route where you pretty much abuse her or you interact more normally with her.
Mina you accept to help her with her list, or you don't.
Felicia you either accept her sugar mommy thing or you don't, and even then Im pretty sure you'd get to see most of her scenes anyway.

And for the side girls I'm ok with those being tied to a more specific option, like this update will do with Kathleen, I also think her scenes are more "crazy" than the others, so them not being a main path thing is probably good, people that enjoy her will get those scenes and people that don't care for her won't.

Overall you either accept to interact with the girls once the story gives you the option, or you reject (and obviously) end up leaving their routes.

Since my first playthrough I've been able to see most of the scenes all girls have to offer and stay in all paths, and a bit of save scumming lets you see the other variations too. There's a few that might be tied to long lasting options, where you can't save scum as easily, such as the Rose deal in this case, but those make the game more replayable anyway.

 

[dolfe67]

You can fuck all the girls even outside the club on the same playthrough, but there is a lot of exclusive scenes because you often have to choose which girl you want to talk to

 

[Gooooneer]

Hey all, question. The traits that are earlier on discussed in the prologue. Do they just grey out the potential choices that we could pick or does it change the way people address your character or the way your character has thoughts? I don't know where do the changes reflect? If someone could pick a couple of scenarios from the top of your head where a character addresses the MC differently because of his traits, it would be helpful. Thanks.

 

[server404]

No it's not. You're looking at this from Edwin's perspective because she's cold to him and gets to business immediately but she has plenty of love for his son which even Edwin noticed and defended Grace with: "C'mon, you know your mother loves you...". And later we've had this dialogue option:

Spoiler: a scene from Prologue

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And even though she wasn't a fan of Edwin's she tolerated him and allowed Ian to be friends with him which tells a lot about her character (in a good way). Same goes for her to allow him to go to a public school after he begged ("He had trouble fitting in, so he begged and begged his parents to let him attend a government-run school. We met, hit it off. The rest is history as they say.").

Heck, they even went on vacation together (it's from a scene where Mina asks Edwin about Chuck and PC club):
I used to go on vacations with Ian's family when we were in middle school.

She's tried herself "dozens of times" to convince Ian to go to college but when that didn't work out she didn't hesitate to reach out to the person she didn't like and even offered him "anything he wants" in exchange for help (which this being a porn game I interpret in one way only :]). If that doesn't show she loves him I don't know what does.

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