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VN - Ren'Py - Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

  1. 5.00 star(s)

    mroczny

    Art and music aside - these are great.

    Writing is on another level, truly a masterpiece. Dialogue is thoughtful, linguistically rich and meaningful. Everything has its setup and payoff, no deus-ex-machina bullshit. There's also wisdom there, yet without in-your-face one-liners.
    This is a game for mature people who understand how the world works and yet don't forget how stupid they acted when they were 20.

    Read. Don't mindlessly skip even if the scene doesn't seem important or the dialogue seems trivial. Sex scenes are great, but there's more to characters than pump-action animations. If you can't take your time, don't waste your time. Just wait for when you're done with downloading everything and playing nothing - or nothing of significance.

    There are many mediocre or even good games around here with a pretence of greatness. This is not one of these. This one is unpretentiously magnificent.
  2. 5.00 star(s)

    Meabe37

    I do not leave a review often, in fact it's the only one i'll probably ever do on f95. But this game my man, this game is the GOAT, the KING of all AVNs.

    That game it's gorgeous. The quality, the art and animations are outstanding.

    The writing is beyond fantastic whether it is the story, the dialogues, the characters or the sexy times, everything is up to the max. A true master class of adult gaming, of all gaming in fact.

    And it's flawless. Not a single mistake so far, i have absolutely nothing negative to say about the game, even if i try to be extremely nitpicky.

    Anyway must play, must support, no question asked.
  3. 5.00 star(s)

    Ralpvolvos

    the game is one of the best masterpiece in HS avn, i really want to see how the story unfold further and especially the endings. BUT with the current update cycle (oncer per year or less), i think i will just forget about this game and play it again when it already complete (maybe 4 years later, hopefully not that long).
  4. 5.00 star(s)

    moonpartially

    [Review of Ch.4 Up.5 Public - First playthrough]

    What a game, I don’t know where to start, I don’t feel 5/5 is enough.

    The first thing at impressed me the most is how well optimized the game is. I’m playing on a 10 yrs old Mac and most other game start to lag very fast, but not this one. Not a single lag, not a single bug, pure perfection.

    I’m mostly a very vanilla snowflake so I was initially reluctant to try to immerge myself in a story with such heavy topics but because the writing is so good and nuanced I had a blast.

    Visually Pale Carnations is top tier as well and the sound design & music of the game is also a masterclass.

    To concluded, this game does everything perfectly and it’s definitely a most play.

    Playtime : ~40/50hrs (with a lot of save/load to see others paths)
  5. 5.00 star(s)

    Draco-Drake

    This is the best AVN today without a doubt.
    Original story, content for all tastes, different routes, customizable MC, fun characters. .. If I had to summarize this game in a few words it would be "Pervertedly beautiful"
    I only have one wish and I hope the Dev reads it, please let the NTR continue to be avoidable... The way the story goes it seems that it will be inevitable the NTR with the Carnations, that's why I just hope that at least the Dev will let us choose who to save... Although being honest I would be happy with just a good ending with Mina, more Mina content!!!!
  6. 5.00 star(s)

    hairy_trump

    Probably the best this genre have to offer it effortlessely balance between dark and through it it shines the firece light that continues to shine in that total blackness. I have surely never seen a story like this, and I will surely not forget it anytime soon.
  7. 5.00 star(s)

    mantissors

    I was blown away by this novel. The plot is cool, the characters are interesting, you form your own attitude towards each one. The h-scenes are gorgeously done, there is animation. It definitely deserves its 5 stars.

    Я был потрясен этим романом. Сюжет классный, персонажи интересные, к каждому из них формируешь свое отношение. H-сцены сделаны великолепно, есть анимация. Он определенно заслуживает своих 5 звезд.
  8. 5.00 star(s)

    ImmaculateDream

    I'm not usually super into games with this graphical style, but the characters and plotlines have won me over enough to still give it a 5 star rating. There's a lot of interesting moving parts here, and while not every single plotline is to my liking there are so many different things (albeit, MOST of them in the realm of maledom which is fine with me) that almost anyone can find something enjoyable I think.
  9. 2.00 star(s)

    vanime7

    The main character is a whingebag. I selected "prioritizes money" at the beginning of the game, and yet he keeps banging on about how unfair life is and how much he dislikes money lol. It's very silly that this guy is having women paying him to be an escort and is having multiple relationships with supermodels (which at least the game accepts in its dialogue but doesn't justify). He's a scrawny annoying dweeb sort of a guy, and the player's decisions don't alter him in any real way. The most that you can change him is on the evil path where he becomes a snitchy sort of teachers pet which is just a different flavour of an annoying dweeb.

    Much of the writing is very on the nose. Little is left to the reader's interpretation. This isn't solid writing; It's more like opining on a subject at great length with very little life experience, which is of course a turn off, but then at the end of said opine a supermodel bends over a table and says "do me" as if she's so turned on by this geeky looking kid and his logic of an angsty 13 year old. It's just sort of silly, but the game is taking it dead serious.
  10. 5.00 star(s)

    HeheHohoXoXo

    Great game, with an excelent script. All heroes feels real, have their own motivation. What i really like is how complex topics are discussed there and make you think about them. As for the sex, game has a lot of content, for any taste. Also all girls are different, so you can find someone for you. One of the best AVN out there without any doubts.
  11. 5.00 star(s)

    MoonShard55

    Very thought out game, for those that enjoy hard love its a must play.
    I just hope there will be a way to end up with 2 GFs at the end.
    Hana has a very cool character design, def my favorite for this game.
  12. 5.00 star(s)

    JumboSalami

    Hands down one of the best AVNs available. Believable, engaging characters, a complex, provoking, challenging narrative, and stunning visuals combine to form a stellar experience a cut above the rest.
  13. 5.00 star(s)

    Hinelbgst

    storyline is good. could've been better if there's more depth for the characters and world building. seggs animations are super fluid, wishing other games can make examples of this kind of animation, kudos to dev! 9.3/10
  14. 5.00 star(s)

    Giddeon

    To the average person who thinks that AVNs cannot be an art form, Mutt & Jeff say: hold my beer. Pale Carnations is one of those rare games that the AVN world must carefully study.

    I will be reviewing the game on four main parameters: story and writing, art and animation, style and presentation, and sex scenes. At the time of this review, this game is at Ch. 4 Up. 5.

    Story and Writing (5/5)

    I have played a lot of AVNs in the past 6 years of my life. Many of these games were good, many were brilliant. The latter category has your usual characteristics: good art, masterfully crafted models, great animation, and of course, enticing, hot and kinky sexy. Many of them also featured great writing. But few had a gut-wrenching page turner of a story like Pale Carnations. I believe of all things, what sets this game apart from any other AVN created is its compelling characters, captivating settings, and intelligently crafted dialogue-writing.

    Pale Carnations is an exploration of the relationship between sex, power and morality. Each character in the VN is differently placed on the nexus of these three driving forces of human behaviour. Without going into spoiler territory, here is the rundown. We have in this world the agents of power: the Kathleens, Augusts, and Chucks of the world, who pursue their goals using the power that they have, often with a reckless abandon of any sense of morality. For Kathleen, sex (in her own perverted ways) is an end in itself. For August and Chuck, it is a mere mean, but to very different ends. Then you have the powerless subjects: the working girls, and to different extents, the Carnations. But the most interesting characters in the story are the likes of the MC, Hana, and Killian. They all command a certain amount of power, and are also subjects of it. With this unique position that they occupy, they are often faced with moral quandaries. Hana, ever the voice of reason in the game, finds the activities of the Carnation Club deeply repelling. But as we see along the story, she too has to compromise with her principles due to her position in the Club. Killian is the morally ambiguous sort. In some parts of the story, as the MC notes, he shows surprising amount of moral clarity, while in others he does reprehensible things with very little remorse. Then of course there is the MC, the blank slate, who will become whatever the player makes of him, within bounds of the writing. It is this world and story that really drags you into the VN. But what keeps you clicking is the wit and humour with which the writers have crafted the dialogues of this game. It really has the writing of an award-winning TV show.

    Art and Animation (5/5)

    While I am emphasizing on the writing, it is by no means the only feature that makes this game what it is. I am yet to play a honey select game which has put in so much effort in its unique character designs. Nothing is a mere drag and drop template. Every character has been shown the care and attention it deserves. In execution too, the expression that every character has is scene appropriate, to the point it feels extremely real. The animations are smooth and never look out of place.

    Style and Presentation (4/5)

    The music in the game is very well chosen and fits the vibe of the game. The UI is also creatively designed and has good art. The whole Ren'py presentation is great. There are no mechanical issues or bugs that caused an issue to me. What they could do better is perhaps improve the Profile and Stats pages. Right now they seem a bit haphazard. The profiles only indicate the latest encounter with a character and not the entirety of your history with them. It's not useful when you open it to refresh your memory from the last update. Plus, the Profile tab is not exhaustive, quite a few minor characters are missing from it, who are nevertheless mentioned here and there.

    Sex Scenes (4.5/5)

    Pale Carnation however by no means ignores its sex scenes. Much like the story itself, the sex scenes too are really compelling. The porn logic is minimal– the authors through their excellent writing make even the most ridiculous and kinky scenes seem realistic and natural. The animation in sex scenes is fluid and pleasing. The VN covers a wide variety of fetishes and kinks. The emphasis of course is on a maledom side. However, it may not be exactly what you're looking for if you want a self-insert power fantasy of a game. The game will make you feel the weight of the fucked up things you do. But I guess that's somewhere the point with a game like this.

    Conclusion

    It may not be a great exaggeration to say Pale Carnations might be, and I do not use this term lightly, the best AVN created so far. Mutt & Jeff have definitely created a standard for the industry. In the future, I wish for creators to take a cue from them and create AVNs of similar quality.
  15. 5.00 star(s)

    gtpman

    It's been so long, sins the last update, I forgot it existed. It is still one of the best (easily top 5) games ever created. I cannot even consider rating it anything less than 5/5... Recommending it hands down!
  16. 5.00 star(s)

    anomkarsa

    I'm sure what i'll say here has been said before countless times so I won't write War & Peace but i've never reviewed a game before on this site and this is my favourite game here.

    I'd mainly like to focus on the writing and sex scenes and in both GIL3D and TD1900 do a fantastic job. I don't know their respective roles with this game but they've created and written (wrote?) fantastic fully developed characters that you actually give a shit about and i'm not just talking about love interests in the game, I mean every character.

    Even in some other top games i'll at times find my interest drifting when the game is focusing on characters that I don't care about or don't like but this game holds my interest throughout. I read a lot of books so I don't think it's a case of me being a Tiktok brained gormless fool (at least I hope not) instead I think it points to the game being fantastically written.

    You have repulsive bosses and chauvinistic pigs both on the staff and as members of the club and you have brainless fuckdolls as the club whores but the game actually dives deeper into these characters and reveals their complexities and thoughts and feelings instead of them being one note cardboard cutouts.

    As for the sex scenes, the club related lewd scenes have never really done much for me as i'm not into voyeurism or lewd public performances etc but the sex scenes between the MC and Hana/Mina and MC and the carnations outside of the club are brilliant, both in writing and how the scenes play out.

    The Devs don't give you multiple choices in scenes you might want to see and the game is far better for it. You're actually presented with the dev's vision from start to finish so you get a more realistic, built up scene from teasing to the moneyshot at the end, all well written and well developed and rounded out with the sort of post sex aftercare that most other games don't even bother with. All together making them the best sex scenes out of any game on this site.

    It turns out that I actually have written War & Peace, sorry about that. So i'll just wrap it up and say that the love interests are gorgeous, the renders fantastic as are the animations and the story as a whole is complex, mature and incredibly readable and interesting.

    Five out of Five. The Devs deserve all the support they have and probably even more than that. The game won't be for everyone and some people won't like it and that's okay but to me this VN is fantastic and it's my favourite game on the Citadel!
  17. 3.00 star(s)

    mahligl

    This game has received numerous glowing reviews (currently holding the top spot on this site), so I thought a more critical perspective might be helpful for future players.

    While it's a quality game, it has certain downfalls, which you will probably ignore If the kinks appeal to you. What are those kinks?

    This is a game about control, but not necessarily your control. You're a young, little, poor guy here, and the fact that you're inferior to the rich old patrons of the club you're working in or to the amazonian contestant in the sexual show is made painfully obvious. Basically, it is not an alpha-male fantasy.

    This is a game about watching people do bad stuff. It is voyeur. The game has sometimes almost pathological "let's see If I like what I see" attitude in its core. It affects the story as well as the arrangement of sex scenes. It is also important for the MC's psyche. I heard people talking about the light cuckolding in this game, and while this may be too harsh, I kind of get why they're saying that.

    So much for the kinks, Let's move on to the minor nitpicky observations. I'm quite adamant that If you don't enjoy the kinks, then A LOT of small things here will fall short. Surely, the pacing is good and the character presentation is nice (most of the characters here do feel like real people, even if overly cartoonish) , but I can't say that it is perfect.

    I'll give you one example. A bad bitch, who can dictate to the other three girls what they do, tells them a certain thing. How is it directed? You guessed it. You'll see three lines of dialogue: a line from the first girl, a second line from the second girl, a third line from the third girl, all in succession. It is like the game is saying: "Hey, player! You can compare the three! Look, each one has a different reaction, because they have distinct personalities!" If you compare it with some other games here which don't bother to give LI characterisation at all, it is not bad. But is it a pinnacle of writing? No. It is formulaic and stale. It is basically the simplest thing the writer can do. When you hear that this game is brilliantly written and has a great story, bear in mind that at least to some extent 'the story' here is just a vehicle for humiliation porn. This may not be a bad thing overall, but it is good to be honest about that.

    The suspension of disbelief expected from you varies during the different segments of the game. Let's not discuss the overall premise and concentrate on something small. How the hell you, hired as an assistant, can leave the establishment with a cute biker girl after the show , not helping to, I don't know, to put the stuff in place and such? I understand that commenting on such little details may be nitpicky, but I can't help to groan two or three times times every few minutes as the game progresses: "How the hell this is hailed as a great, well-written AVN?"

    Let's rollback a bit. My basic idea is that if this game fits your kinks, you will enjoy it immensely. If not, you'll see a competent AVN. That's it.
  18. 5.00 star(s)

    m98shka

    this is written on version Ch.4 Up 4 Public

    I love this game. The theme might be dim and grim and not everyone's cup of tea, but the story is very well-written it almost outweighs everything else. I'm not a big fan of extreme sadism and domination, but even though it is mildly avoidable, I'd take the extreme choice simply to sate my curiosity on how would the story unfold (then rollback, of course).

    The scenes and render are very detailed. Every CG fits the narration, yet it doesn't feel exaggerated. Animation are smooth and enjoyable. The characters are unique in the sense that even the most cliched ones have their own depths and turn to be not-so-cliched.

    UI are refined but kept simple. No fancy mechanics that complicate the game, but engaging and interesting. There are free roams that is not a chore where you have to find hidden items to unlock something, but still has details.

    Music and sound is simple. There are notification noise to show if you unlocked something. No 'heavy'' lyrical songs, just a simple BGM music that fits the scene and narrative. You won't miss anything if you played without sound, but it does amplify the experience.

    Despite the game has heavy sexual theme, the plot isn't sex and the story has depth. It challenges the mind and has a very philosophical side. Simply one of the best if not one itself. Came for the sex, and stay for the story. Exceeded every one of my expectation .10/10.

    Hana best girl.
  19. 4.00 star(s)

    ppunk

    Great game. Recommended.

    Pros -
    1. The game gives you a character trait with few distinct choices chosen at start of the game. Thought it was very well implemented in a VN.
    2. The game has branching paths and multiple choices. Mostly it splits your character into a Renegade/Paragon style.
    3. Character models are beautifully made.
    4. The backgrounds looks good. There are some animated CGI in between which looks very good.
    5. Lots of content. You will be engrossed for a couple of days if you properly read along and don't skip.
    6. The story, while not exactly unique, but still better than usual cookie cutter mold in most of VNs.
    7. The dialogues and pacing of the story was very well done. I was engrossed into it and found myself eager to know what happens next.

    Cons -
    1. The game is more of a soap drama with a prime focus on sodomy/sadist kink. Proceed if you are up for it.
    2. The game lacks a definite conclusion. I played the android version.
    3. Although the pacing was well done in most places. I found that you still don't have a control over any content. You gotta go through lots of talking to finally find good stuff. Patience well advised.

    Overall it was a decent VN. Kept me entertained. Overall rating 4.5*/5*
  20. 5.00 star(s)

    bo77om

    After playing this game, it becomes undeniable, that among all the AVNs out there - this one has

    THE
    BEST
    WRITING
    PERIOD


    The storytelling, narrative, pacing, and characters are IMO leaps and bounds better than everything else on this website.

    sometimes TD makes me feel like a literally illiterate 2nd grade kid, and so I grab a big-ass dictionary every time a new update is coming.

    I really didn't care at the beginning about the visuals, but it eventually grew on me and GIL made some fucking amazing stuff with the animations I haven't seen in other HS1 titles.

    11 outta 10, keep it up!