would be nice if there was also male whores or women dominating men. especially kathleen with MC
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Right, but I think the amount of choices in a sandbox becomes unwieldly very, very fast. Whenever you reach that point where the spiderweb is too complex for you to write choices that fit together in any meaningful way, everything falls apart. I think quantity of choices DOES matter. Maybe only because of the limits of human ability, but still.
- Apr 26, 2017
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Did you tried reading ANYTHING the game developers have been saying about the matter?
There won't be incest here, ever.
If you want it so much go look somewhere else, there are literally hundreds and hundreds of choices in F95zone.
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I like incest as much as the next person, and more than most probably...but really, there has to be a time to step back and just respect the game that the devs are choosing to make.
There is nothing more grating than seeing in game thread after game thread the hinted opinion that having 'x' tag will make your game more successful, or you need to exclude 'y' tag because people don't like it.
First of all, looking at the top 50 games, it's incredibly clear that there is no single formula to success...and second, veiled comments, threats, requests, about tags are all very transparently just the petitioner trying to give unearned weight to their request.
Let the devs of this game, and every game, make what they want to make...and then praise or criticize it on those merits.
All that said...you guys really need to get Victoria fucked in this VN in present day. Make it happen
- May 20, 2021
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How about instead we petition for a prequel with Victoria as the protagonist? It could start with the death of her husband. It would cover her financial motivations for starting adult entertainment, her "corruption" into a MILF porn starlet, her guilt over how much she likes letting go while being GBed on camera, fears of being found out. The climax would be her struggle to get free from the industry and cover her tracks before her son and the PTA find out.I like incest as much as the next person, and more than most probably...but really, there has to be a time to step back and just respect the game that the devs are choosing to make.
There is nothing more grating than seeing in game thread after game thread the hinted opinion that having 'x' tag will make your game more successful, or you need to exclude 'y' tag because people don't like it.
First of all, looking at the top 50 games, it's incredibly clear that there is no single formula to success...and second, veiled comments, threats, requests, about tags are all very transparently just the petitioner trying to give unearned weight to their request.
Let the devs of this game, and every game, make what they want to make...and then praise or criticize it on those merits.
All that said...you guys really need to get Victoria fucked in this VN in present day. Make it happen
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I'm on board, now we just need some blackmail material on Gil and TD
Leaving aside the fact that there's a hard no to incest from the devs, this would be a terrible idea.
It is mind-boggling to me that you think the story currently emerging from the game could survive the Carnation Club management kidnapping the MC's mother.
This seems much more likely. I suspect that there may well be a possibility of Ian stepping into that role. He and Victoria already get along and share interests, plus Ian has massive Mommy issues.
Not the management, but Kathleen. If you choose to talk with her, in the last conversation with the MC, she suggest she found her "soul alike"
. Who knows how deep her mental problems, she can think that "nurturing" her closet sadist friend worth more than the fallout with the club if there is any. I mean they using mindfucking drugs left and right already, so morals won't stop her.
- Aug 8, 2020
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Uncle Chuck would literally kill her for messing with Edwin since he's family. He already warned her when they were filming Rose's "movie". Gotta stop clicking so fast and read this thing, my dude.
I read that, but on a Kathleen vs Chuck fight, my money on Kathleen.
Maybe I skim over the finer meanings of words because my english is not that good, but I still can't take Chuck seriously as a menace.
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Not at all if Mc is on Kathleen path. She did drug him and if you make choices pleasing to her after that event you start to become her guy. As someone who plays all possible routes and has multiple saves for all love interests relishing every single frame of the game I can assure you one of the paths is becoming Kathleen's favorite. The dialogues with Kathleen do point to the direction where Victoria can be involved which is the reason for me being led to believe that incest can happen and if the whiners can stop thinking of Victoria as their own mom then we can at least enjoy the though that there could be scenes involving Victoria and I don't care who gets to bang her for that matter it could be Edwin , Ian , Uncle Chuck , Warren, Mihir, a date on the dating app or for that matter even Kathleen with a strap on but she needs to have scenes with her current character model. That being said it's the developer's game and not mine but surely helps to keep the fantasy alive.
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Can i request for the download to be uploaded to other sites like mega? anonfiles and pixeldrain seems to be banned by my network provider so i can't access those sites.
- Jun 25, 2018
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I suspect that Chuck despite his jovial demeanor (which might be a facade for all we know) is most dangerous of them all, even though August is a gangster and Kat likes to experiment on people. For some reason Dahlia is terrified of him, Victoria is creeped out by him (and being a porn actress she has experience dealing with scumbags) and when he said everyone to shut up and let him enjoy the show everyone listened (and we know there are gangsters among the crowd). He also considers whores working in his club as sub-humans (seems like he's a sociopath who doesn't have any empathy, although it's my interpretation and I might be totally wrong, it remains to be seen). There are also these weird dreams that Edwin is having and let's not forget about his phone call in the latest update...
While I doubt that Chuck´s jovial attitude is a facade (it is too consistent to be put on), it does not exclude that Chuck is a really dangerous person with mental problems. There has to be a reason why Dalia is so terrified of him, which is not the case with August or Kath and Kath´s rather open sadism in the Club is most certainly not an endearing trait.
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I don't know about mental problems, but it's certainly possible to be both dangerous and jovial.
- Apr 26, 2017
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I agree with your assessment that Chuck is a very dangerous individual and i also believe he is very likely a sociopath.
To add another exemple, he once showed his true face to Edwin when talking about the guy (forgot his name) who previously occupied Edwin's job, about how he wouldn't be a trouble to anyone again.
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Don't mind me, just here for my Hana content.
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Hence the difference between Edwin addressing her as Mrs. Pullman or Kathleen. I too have a save for every single path, but I'm here for the story rather than a BDSM fetish that I don't possess. I'm not about to start complaining until I get an expedient full harem, DAZ renders, or some of the other things I usually prefer... it's still an absolutely amazing VN. And yet I've played Summer Scent, Radiant, and patched a few others where "landlady" is a ridiculous idea. Again... I'm not even into fetish kink either... but I can ignore things I don't necessarily enjoy simply for the sake of a quality creation.
That being said... incest makes absolutely no sense in the context of this story. Pale Carnations simply hasn't been written in a way that defends a character turn like that. In his own fucked-up way, Edwin viewing her films has desexualized her in his eyes. If he hadn't, he wouldn't be jerking off to elf porn and what have you. He'd be using her films. No, Mrs. Pullman's path does not "point towards Victoria becoming involved"... that's just projection. She's using Freud to play a cruel joke on him using Rose. She has made no effort to do more than use Rose as an analogue. Even at her most heinously manipulative, she's constantly rebuked by her misgivings about his true personality.
Edwin doesn't look upon Victoria as an object of desire, but as the reminder of his desired objective.
He holds his mother up as an example of someone who has sacrificed everything for the good of her family, so it would be his greatest betrayal to her if he became a slave to his most base sociopathic tendencies... not incest, but apathy. And he feels a sense of self-worth and fidelity towards his mother because of everything she's given to him.
He's not truly an unredeemable sociopath... his mother's crying at the table and feeling at a complete loss of options on how to raise him... her guilt at feeling her failure as a mother... her fear of losing the house she vowed to keep... and at that point she most likely already was making adult films so she probably felt worthless- as if she shattered her mores and motherhood for nothing. He understood her emotion and empathized. He made a pact with himself. I've felt like Edwin but for different reasons not involving family or sex. Sometimes, we keep mementos or delve into memories as reminders of why we've set our goals for ourselves.
Once we see his behavior and how he doesn't view her as a sex object, we could conclude it would be utterly ridiculous and juvenile to now ruin years of character development in order to project an incestual fantasy into this brilliant storyline. It doesn't play here. You're like Jon Peters and your incest fetish is like his obsession with giant mechanical spiders... it ruined a Superman movie script... it ruined a Spider-Man movie script... and it helped ruin the movie Wild Wild West... the stupid spider tank is your mother and you are trying to fuck it.
Wrong visual novel, friend. Kathleen's obsession with playing with an assumed Freudian complex of Edwin's is much, much juicier. Especially when we know she's wrong about Edwin's intentions. Hell, even Killian's feelings towards Victoria play against type. Just brilliant.
Cheers.
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Your English comprehension is pretty damn good though. Take your time reading!
I uninstalled for space and I can't remember names right now, but consider this:
Kathleen is called a 'shortsighted bitch' by that
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doctor with the hot assistant... he's got an incredible amount of money and influence. He's interested in the 'clinical trials' of the aphrodisiac for greater societal applications while Kathleen only wants to use it to wrestle control away from the men with a larger share of the club and completely control her playground. It is
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that that doctor would just hand over his assistant to basically be a geisha for a week to Uncle Chuck, but Uncle Chuck has made a wager where if he wins a game of chess against the assistant, he'll have 'earned' the right to defile her (I still shudder thinking of the look on his face when he
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to this when talking to Edwin about it after his chess game loss. Yikes.While Kathleen and Chuck both seem below this doctor in respectability, it seems we've reached a limit to Kathleen's influence. The club, the Foundation, and what little her judge husband can provide in his semi-retired,
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state.But Chuck... we find he's
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to overlook the house girl's mistreatment by club members. He has a
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to make casual (almost friendly) veiled threats towards Kathleen.And what scares me most of all... you can go back to the bar (before the second show?? can't remember) and meet the guy with the ponytail but I can't recall his name... he's friendly with Warren... and some bigshot that you overhear talking together about that doctor
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distributing a treatment in Africa without using
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channels to steal profit (those two guys in the lobby that notice you
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) ... those guys run a huge weapons manufacturing conglomerate... and Uncle Chuck designed a missile (iirc) for those guys!!! I would never cross Chuck. I feel that if he thinks Kathleen is going too far, he wouldn't hesitate to pour her into an office building foundation lol