VN Ren'Py Pandora's Box 2 [v0.30] [Void Star]

[Filipis]

Is it still true that your choices from the first game don't actually effect the second?

They don't appear to.

Whatever happens (whatever relationship status you end the game with) in the finale of part 1 is irrelevant, as Eugene always ends up in prison, Nadia learns she is pregnant (99% Eugene is the father, dev never confirmed), she has a daughter that Eugene knows nothing about. Nadia moves away and raises Ellie on her own (she never remarried or had a new boyfriend in the mean time), and the two have been living together on their own ever since. Nothing you do in part 1 affects the start (and the time in between the two games) of part 2.

Maybe there might be some dialogue differences once the actual reunion happens, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[Filipis]

But because Ellie can't use contraception and Larry doesn't use condoms, Ellie should already be pregnant.

Where did you get this from? There is a scene clearly showing Ellie taking the morning-after pill after one of her escapades with Larry. Ellie isn't on any active birth control, she only takes something after having sex with Larry. But it is looking like, soon enough, Ellie won't care about that anymore and just let Larry knock her up.

 

[siath70]

I am also interested in the future relationship between Ellie and Teresa - also a smart girl. In gym class, I chose to help Teresa with warm-up. And Scarlet is jealous of Ellie for Theresa.

But because Ellie can't use contraception and Larry doesn't use condoms, Ellie should already be pregnant. And before Larry asked Ellie to invite Scarlet. Ellie must put Scarlet in Larry's hands.

Larry never got off the ground in my current play through, I shut him down completely.
Though, I missed the part where Ellie couldn't use contraception. All that means is she should be using condoms, she's a smart girl and I feel she would have insisted. She has made it clear she doesn't want to be pregnant.

 

[siath70]

Is it still true that your choices from the first game don't actually effect the second?

They affect what choices you can make in the second. Basically, if you're as pure as you can be, Nadia can't really choose to sleep with randoms for the most part, like she's cleaning up her act. If you played her loose, she can be a super slut and might have to choose sleeping with a random.

So it does in some ways, but not in others.

 

[siath70]

Nadia did not even try send a photo of Ellie to Eugene while he was in prison and not send him letters about daughter. Strong probability ерфе Ellie isn't Eugenie's daughter.

No everything points to Ellie being Eugene's daughter, the whole basis of the story is it's mother/father/daughter. I have little to no doubt that Ellie is Eugene's daughter.

 

[Vlad11]

Where did you get this from? There is a scene clearly showing Ellie taking the morning-after pill after one of her escapades with Larry. Ellie isn't on any active birth control, she only takes something after having sex with Larry. But it is looking like, soon enough, Ellie won't care about that anymore and just let Larry knock her up.

Amoxycillin - is antibiotic. This is not morning after pills. And she took this pill only once from Nadia. But Antibiotic will not help Ellie from pregnancy and, most likely, Nadia take regular contraceptive pills - not morning after pills. When Ellie have last time sex with Larry (Dev. show us Ellie heavily pregnant) she is not taking any pills after that.

 

[Vlad11]

No everything points to Ellie being Eugene's daughter, the whole basis of the story is it's mother/father/daughter. I have little to no doubt that Ellie is Eugene's daughter.

But i doubt very much. Many events of the PB 1 indicate that Eugene may not be Ellie's father. Eugene should require genetic expertise.

 

[Vlad11]

Larry never got off the ground in my current play through, I shut him down completely.
Though, I missed the part where Ellie couldn't use contraception. All that means is she should be using condoms, she's a smart girl and I feel she would have insisted. She has made it clear she doesn't want to be pregnant.

In sexual relations, Ellie is very inexperienced, she didn't insist on partner using condom. And Larry doesn't use condoms. Ellie doesn't want to be pregnant, but in reality, after such sex with Larry many times, she would, very likely, be pregnant. And Dev. show us Ellie heavily pregnant - it would be right if after this she would become pregnant.

 

[siath70]

In sexual relations, Ellie is very inexperienced, she didn't insist on partner using condom. And Larry doesn't use condoms. Ellie doesn't want to be pregnant, but in reality, after such sex with Larry many times, she would, very likely, be pregnant. And Dev. show us Ellie heavily pregnant - it would be right if after this she would become pregnant.

Meh, he's a dumb ass anyway to try to get her pregnant, first Nadia would end his life, second his well off ass would be on the hook for child support. Not to mention if Eugene shows back up in the picture...

He's the only one she is fucking right now, except the one time with his dad, who pulled out. (not in my game though, I shut that scum sucking pig down). I find it hard to think Ellie would do anything for him after catching him peeking at her mom and jerking his dick, so I avoided him.

I find it hard to believe she didn't feel him cum inside her or figure it out later when she went to clean up.

The Dev already showed a pic of her pregnant.

But i doubt very much. Many events of the PB 1 indicate that Eugene may not be Ellie's father. Eugene should require genetic expertise.

This is not the case with a lot of the endings. I'll say it again, this is a story about a father/mother/daughter.
While I can see a slim possibility she is someone else's child. I firmly believe the intent is she is Eugene's daughter.

I missed it in my other play through, but it seems Eugene is looking for Nadia. So, I expect things to pick up in the next few releases, I hope.

 

[Vlad11]

Meh, he's a dumb ass anyway to try to get her pregnant, first Nadia would end his life, second his well off ass would be on the hook for child support. Not to mention if Eugene shows back up in the picture...

He's the only one she is fucking right now, except the one time with his dad, who pulled out. (not in my game though, I shut that scum sucking pig down). I find it hard to think Ellie would do anything for him after catching him peeking at her mom and jerking his dick, so I avoided him.

I find it hard to believe she didn't feel him cum inside her or figure it out later when she went to clean up.

The Dev already showed a pic of her pregnant.


This is not the case with a lot of the endings. I'll say it again, this is a story about a father/mother/daughter.
While I can see a slim possibility she is someone else's child. I firmly believe the intent is she is Eugene's daughter.

I missed it in my other play through, but it seems Eugene is looking for Nadia. So, I expect things to pick up in the next few releases, I hope.

Ellie even allowed Scarlet to dress herself in a prostitute costume and did not demand the same from her. Sometimes Ellie behaves unreasonably. Even if Larry partially pulled out during their last sex, this is still enough for Ellie to get pregnant.

Yes. The Dev already showed her pregnant photo during the latest sex, therefore, i think, that Ellie should be pregnant in the next versions. And after very possible pregnancy Larry should to pay her much money to hide secret.

About Eugene's paternity - It is best if the developer will adds a dialogue about genetic expertise.

And defalt protagonist names - Eugene Nelson, Ellie Madden, and Nadia Chase. Why Ellie's default last name isn't Nelson? It proves she's not Eugene's daughter.

 

[Filipis]

Amoxycillin - is antibiotic. This is not morning after pills. And she took this pill only once from Nadia. But Antibiotic will not help Ellie from pregnancy and, most likely, Nadia take regular contraceptive pills - not morning after pills. When Ellie have last time sex with Larry (Dev. show us Ellie heavily pregnant) she is not taking any pills after that.

That could very well just be a case of using default graphical assets, and while the label might be that of an antibiotic, the intention is clearly to portray Ellie as taking plan b pills. There is no reason why Nadia would have antibiotics in her room.

 

[Filipis]

Ellie even allowed Scarlet to dress herself in a prostitute costume and did not demand the same from her. Sometimes Ellie behaves unreasonably. Even if Larry partially pulled out during their last sex, this is still enough for Ellie to get pregnant.

Yes. The Dev already showed her pregnant photo during the latest sex, therefore, i think, that Ellie should be pregnant in the next versions. And after very possible pregnancy Larry should to pay her much money to hide secret.

Nadia was being creampied left and right in part 1, yet she wasn't revelead to be pregnant until the very end of the game, and no belly was shown either. Ellie becoming pregnant would be unprecedented, and her sporting a belly in the middle of the game just represents more work for the dev - twice as much rendering (since you can also be not-pregnant in scenes if you make different choices and shut Larry down), something that almost guarantees us that Ellie won't be getting pregnant anytime soon.

 

[Vlad11]

That could very well just be a case of using default graphical assets, and while the label might be that of an antibiotic, the intention is clearly to portray Ellie as taking plan b pills. There is no reason why Nadia would have antibiotics in her room.

It clearly not plan b pills. Even looks this pills as real amoxycillin pills. Probably once Nadia fell ill, therefore Nadia have antibiotics. And Nadia, most likely, takes regular contraceptives - not morning after.

 

[Vlad11]

Nadia was being creampied left and right in part 1, yet she wasn't revelead to be pregnant until the very end of the game, and no belly was shown either. Ellie becoming pregnant would be unprecedented, and her sporting a belly in the middle of the game just represents more work for the dev - twice as much rendering (since you can also be not-pregnant in scenes if you make different choices and shut Larry down), something that almost guarantees us that Ellie won't be getting pregnant anytime soon.

In Sexverse game some heroines also may be pregnant or not - Dev. all the same should to solve this. Some people said Ren'Py visual novel engine allow to realize that by more easy ways.

 

[Filipis]

And Nadia, most likely, takes regular contraceptives - not morning after.

This could be a nice little plot twist to ensure a possible pregnancy ending for Ellie (something many of us expect given her Corruption path), but like I said, there probably won't be a pregnant Ellie gameplay, just an ending. I don't think I've seen a VN here that lets you impregnate (a choice, not canon to the story) someone and then have that someone be pregnant during the rest of the game. It creates too much work for anyone, let alone a single developer.

 

[Vlad11]

This could be a nice little plot twist to ensure a possible pregnancy ending for Ellie (something many of us expect given her Corruption path), but like I said, there probably won't be a pregnant Ellie gameplay, just an ending. I don't think I've seen a VN here that lets you impregnate (a choice, not canon to the story) someone and then have that someone be pregnant during the rest of the game. It creates too much work for anyone, let alone a single developer.

Looks like Dev. not decide exactly but in his site he write that "There is flashback sex scene with the female MC being pregnant, more are planned in the future".

 

[Filipis]

Looks like Dev. not decide exactly but in his site he write that "There is flashback sex scene with the female MC being pregnant, more are planned in the future".

That could just be more flashbacks for Nadia, not necessarily Ellie being shown pregnant (and that did happen, which could be the extent of what the dev meant, by the way).

Relax, we will most likely get a pregnant Ellie ending, don't stress too much about it.

Although, judging from dev's past games, endings are his weakest points.

 

[Vlad11]

That could just be more flashbacks for Nadia, not necessarily Ellie being shown pregnant (and that did happen, which could be the extent of what the dev meant, by the way).

Relax, we will most likely get a pregnant Ellie ending, don't stress too much about it.

Although, judging from dev's past games, endings are his weakest points.

Looks like Dev. not decide yet.

May be Ellie became pregnant in one of the endings, but it would be much more interesting if in the course of the plot. Now PB 2 story much more boring than PB1.

It is also interesting whether Eugene will meet a prostitute who could get pregnant from him.

 

[siath70]

Looks like Dev. not decide yet.

May be Ellie became pregnant in one of the endings, but it would be much more interesting if in the course of the plot. Now PB 2 story much more boring than PB1.

It is also interesting whether Eugene will meet a prostitute who could get pregnant from him.

It is a father/mother/daughter game, the intent is for us to believe Ellie is Eugene's daughter. If she is or not is something the Dev will have to reveal.

The last name thing is weird but it is most likely a Patreon thing to show no relationship between them, especially if Nadia and her daughter start having sex or Eugene and his daughter do, it is tagged incest.
Besides that, why would Nadia not just give her the last name Chase, makes no sense to not be that.

I think the whole plan b pill bottle thing was either an accident on the dev's part or intentional because he couldn't find a plan b prop bottle. Either way, Ellie is a smart straight a student, I think she would know the difference between plan b and an antibiotic. I mean she can read right...

She might be pregnant or she might not, only the Dev knows. But to introduce her as pregnant now will double the workload of the Dev. He would have to render all scenes with her twice, once for pregnant and once for not.
I imagine her pregnant at the end.

I have been replaying it through again (pure path). While I think it's still a bit of a train wreck, it's not as bad as I thought.
Eugene is searching for Nadia.
Nadia is trying to keep Ellie out of her life style when she was younger. Though she allows bad elements back into her life like Riley, she does warn her not to mess with Ellie as she doesn't want that life for her.
Frankly, I would have already kicked Riley to the curb based on the stunts she has already pulled. I really wish we had that option or at least an option to threaten Riley which caused some of her antics to be skipped, especially with Ellie.
There's some choices that could be added in for everyone in the story, prime examples would be:
Choice for Ellie not to send pic, to rat out Larry jerking to her mother sunbathing while he's doing it, not after the fact.
Choice for Nadia to never enter the nude beach.
In the pure path Nadia is portrayed as a very protective mother. Though I'm a bit shocked that Nadia and Ellie don't talk more or spend more time together, no matter the path you're on that relationship is shown to be very loose.

I do think the Dev is doing a good job, I think the story isn't as bad a train wreck as I though when playing the corrupted side. The Pure side makes a lot more sense to me.
I'm interested to see where it goes.

That could just be more flashbacks for Nadia, not necessarily Ellie being shown pregnant (and that did happen, which could be the extent of what the dev meant, by the way).

Relax, we will most likely get a pregnant Ellie ending, don't stress too much about it.

Although, judging from dev's past games, endings are his weakest points.

This is absolutely about Nadia, it's the only pregnant 'flashback' scene there is in the game. There was never a flashback scene with Ellie pregnant, it was a fantasy what if scene.
The whole Larry thing with pregnancy was to show how naïve Ellie is with trusting people or easy to manipulate. It wasn't there to get her pregnant (that's my opinion of course), that would end the whole story, Larry would be dead, Nadia would be in jail for killing him, or Eugene if her showed up in time.
Again Larry is a huge dumbass for messing with Nadia's daughter.
It wouldn't take much for Nadia to put two and two together, because dumbass Larry actually told Nadia the Ellie would be helping him 'clean' his house.
Nadia would be smart enough to put two and two together.
On the corrupt path he is fucking everyone in that house, he's bound to get caught fucking Ellie, either by Nadia or Riley. Nadia and Riley wouldn't care about each other fucking him. Nadia and maybe Riley would be absolutely pissed about him fucking Ellie, in my opinion based on what Nadia says about not want Ellie in that life style.
Why I shut him down in my current play through, fucking troll/dwarf hybrid can go find him some skank somewhere...

Another thing, I just noticed in my play through (pure) we're forced to go to the club and strip. Why to push the story forward? How about you go to the club and find out he just wants hookers and you tell him not interested. But to keep you around and try to corrupt you he gives you a job as a waitress like you wanted? Nothing to change except some words and the strip scene doesn't get played. Because now you're trapped, work as a hooker in the club or make no money, so Nadia is now forced down this path and the train-wreck is back on track.

Again this is all based on my current pure play through or my older corrupt play through and is only my opinion. We will just have to sit back and see where the Dev takes us down each path.

 

[siath70]

I had a long rant, but I'm just going to shorten it.

Scarlet is starting to get on my nerves. You have no options with Ellie to deal with her.
There should be more options to tell her no, like not letting the hooker into her house and kicking them both out.

Ellie is a smart girl and would know Scarlet is using her and trying to corrupt her. I have kept Ellie's lust at 0 through my play through. She should not be go goo-goo over Scarlet enough to be so used.

Please Dev more options and even maybe a way to start turning things around on Scarlet.