Patreon bans - Little guide with examples

[Joshua Tree]

My complaint with patron is that I don't like their vague position. They have clear rules that they don't follow, and you never know when to expect a hit from them. Thus, you have to constantly experience stress, because you can be thrown out at any second for violating the rules, just because out of hundreds of similar games, the card fell on you, and you will be significantly killed. You will just become another dot in the report for management.

Might not like how Patreon take a vague postion, but them juggling that red line is why there is a lot of NSFW content on the site that wouldn't necessary been if they enforced it heavy handed. When they crack down on something it's most likely to try appease the payment processor such as PayPal. Patreon would been in a worse state if they lost PayPal as a processor, than they would cracking down on some NSFW to make an example.

Porn and adult industry is big business. The annual income worldwide trumps like Hollywood 10 times over. Why payment processors want to alienate that business idk. Guess they not in the business of making money. You don't have them start censor movies because someone get killed, or the way someone get killed, or dictate what can be made or not. It's fantasy and make believe, why they want to impose censorship on one fantasy over another is just silly. I'm not saying people should be free to do whatever though, there is boundaries.

 

[Horse Amor]

Why payment processors want to alienate that business idk.

It's because people like you give them a free pass on ideological grounds. Religous fundamentalists are no longer their greatests threats. Instead it is atheistic moralistic arguments that are used to shut them and us down. Fuck feminism, fuck SJWs. Go fuck yourselves with something fatally lethal, you moral hypocrites.

 

[Joshua Tree]

It's because people like you give them a free pass on ideological grounds. Religous fundamentalists are no longer their greatests threats. Instead it is atheistic moralistic arguments that are used to shut them and us down. Fuck feminism, fuck SJWs. Go fuck yourselves with something fatally lethal, you moral hypocrites.

People like me? Jupp, people like me who see the benefit of having that business... so what the frack does that make you?

 

[rf96]

It's because people like you give them a free pass on ideological grounds. Religous fundamentalists are no longer their greatests threats. Instead it is atheistic moralistic arguments that are used to shut them and us down. Fuck feminism, fuck SJWs. Go fuck yourselves with something fatally lethal, you moral hypocrites.

Wut?

 

[rf96]

Why payment processors want to alienate that business idk.

I wish there was an alternative to Paypal that had no problem with porn.

Btw, if a Paypal competitor wants to take over the market, they just have to be porn friendly and users will flock to them.

 

[Joshua Tree]

I wish there was an alternative to Paypal that had no problem with porn.

Btw, if a Paypal competitor wants to take over the market, they just have to be porn friendly and users will flock to them.

a "porn friendly" payment processor that setup much along the lines of PayPal. They would made big business fast. And if they only focused on the adult industry there wouldn't been any one to hold a heavy hand over them threatening to pull their business.

Last number I saw, the annual income from the adult industry was estimated at 90 billion USD worldwide. There is business to be made for those that wanted to take a leap.

 

[Wol]

I don't understand how it works. They say it's forbidden, but when you try to point them out for violating their rules, they ignore these emails.

There is such a game: "The Company"

It has bestiality and incest and other harsh types of manifestations that were described here. But Patreon doesn't care. Even if you try to complain about this game, they will ignore it.

I don't know why, but apparently their bans are indicative, and they aren't really interested in blocking most games. This way they will block 1-2 games, leaving all the others as an act of intimidation, and as a target for reporting to management.

There is another game: "perverted education", in this game there is no direct mention that your character is an adult. Only on the Patreon page, in the game itself, your age is not defined, and it is obvious that as a schoolboy, the character is less than 18 years old.
And of course there's incest, and other hard things, and again Patron doesn't care about it.

People tend to ignore that Patreon really only bans games when they BLATANTLY violate the rules they set up, every single time a page has gotten suspended it's due to one of two things, A) They openly talked about content and gave their game a title that also blatantly broke the rules, ala "Dating My Daughter" So mostly incest games since their creators can't come up with a title that isn;t a horrible pun on incest. Or B) They posted nude tits on a public post, a dumbass ruel I'll admit but an understandable one al things considered.

 

[joethepumper]

Great guide! Echoing that I think a porn-friendly competitor will attract lots of users. They don't even have to focus on porn, just be like platforms in making it clear that their users are the ones determining what it is used for, and they aren't responsible for their users activities.

 

[eventualdream36]

The major alternative is subscribestar.

 

[Paz]

I wish there was an alternative to Paypal that had no problem with porn.

Btw, if a Paypal competitor wants to take over the market, they just have to be porn friendly and users will flock to them.

a "porn friendly" payment processor that setup much along the lines of PayPal. They would made big business fast. And if they only focused on the adult industry there wouldn't been any one to hold a heavy hand over them threatening to pull their business.

Thing is, Paypal (and whatever similar payment processor may arise) still have to transfer any fees via a good ol' bank, and they have to be cleared/approved by said bank(s).
Now, here's the thing. Becoming big enough that the approval is easy means you have a big enough transaction volume that could be jeopardized if you openly allow NSFW content, assuming you are approved as a processor in the first place.
Businesses tend to not like that.

The chain would be:
You -> Patreon/SS/other -> Paypal/other -> CC Company -> Bank -> Another Bank -> Optionally another CC company -> Paypal/other -> Creator
And all the intermediate points should ok at least not averse to NSFW stuff. Unlikely.

Sure, there are high-risk processors like CCBill or Epoch, but by nature of them being high-risk their processing fees are way bigger than whatever Paypal can offer.

A decent write-up can be found in this

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. It's relative to Patreon, but the whole process is the same for processors themselves.

 

[Cyunvz]

After looking for examples that could get games and devs banned from Patreon, many questions arose in my head.

What kind of stuff is really allowed?

So I'm going to put some examples so every developer or anyone who wants to create something in that platform can have a clearer idea of it, and also we can discus it here what be in or out. (I'll edit stuff with your posts).

This is the stuff I came with, so don't get angry if I left something or I skipped something important. There are many gray areas...

For example:

- BANNED 100%

Incest
Fringe Sexual fetish
Non consented sex
Loli, minors... (child exploitation and all related to minors)
Bestiality
Rape
Any kind of discrimination (like to prefer one ethnic over other)
Women-hating

ALSO Patreons says: We understand that some topics on this list such as incest or rape are a little bit more complicated because these situations are, unfortunately, part of real life. As a result, when reviewing these types of creations, the Trust and Safety team will take into consideration context including personal, historical or educational narrative. For example, survivor stories or fiction such as Game of Thrones or Lolita are allowed on Patreon.

Okay, let's put an example of each one.

Incest:
You have relations with any member of your family. CLEARLY BANNED.
But they didn't know they were family until the end of the story! Bad luck, BANNED! It's explained in the guidelines.
It's my family... just my step-sister. You're playing with fire...

They have no consanguinity, so you should be fine (but honestly I don't know how many devs have changed their original plots and rewrote them like step mother and sisters...)

As you see, incest only in patches. You won't want to trash out your game and your work.

Fringe Sexual fetish:
Let's be clear: no weird stuff in games.
So, many games give you the possibility to do all the weird stuff. BUT if you do so, won't be in Patreon.
That means, that if it is not a conventional sexual fetish, it's not allowed.
What is a conventional fetish, then? The list is large, so I guess you can search it in google.

But incest is becoming a conventional fetish. Not allowed, period.
It is true that mainstream porn is focusing in relationships with certain degree of taboo. I guess conventional plots porn are boring. Well, they've been always boring, and you can't pretend to get horny watching only videos which a hot girl opens the door and then the pizza guy put his dick in the pizza box, and for some reason it's great and start having sex.
Anyway, forget about it.

Non consented sex:
I guess most of us live in western societies where post-modernism is changing every perspectives and offending everyone.
Well, let's say that, in such world, the only safe place is your head, where you fantasize about many things and nobody can get offended because they have no clue.
And one of those fantasies is to grape your hot girl friend boobs. And you know that in reality she would punch your face and you'll become a pariah (or condemned to jail, or both).

Games just create and interpret fantasies (To re-live the II World War and kill everything, a flight simulator where a plane crash into a tower...)
Some fantasies are allowed, others not. We all know that the darkest the fantasy, the higher (sometimes) the pleasure, and higher is the curiosity.

In my game, the MC stick his dick in his teacher's pussy, and after a bit, she likes it. BANNED, sorry, not consented. Only YES is YES.
My MC is a girl and fucks her friend when he is drunk. BANNED. To switch genders only make it to last longer, but it will be banned.
My MC fucks a girl that is sleeping. You can't know if it is consented or not, or they're a couple. Their relationship it's not explicitly defined in the game . BANNED, why? If she can't deny to have sex, it's not consented, so your MC is raping her.

Probably there are games on Patreon that have some stuff from above and they aren't banned. Sooner or later they will get banned.

Now, if you have ever played Summertime Saga, the MC gets into her sister's (or flatmate) room and tries to fuck her. (I don't know if in the last releases this changed).
Because the Dev is one of the biggest in Patreon, I guess Patreon tries to ignore it, but I wouldn't recommend you to do the same.

Loli, minor...:
Completely forget about it. If any character looks like a minor (like some anime games) you're banned.
Even if it's clearly over legal age, don't risk it.

I know some games have characters that their appearance are slightly teenagers. I also know that some starlets in porn are well received because they're 18 and look very young.
Anyway, Patreon don't want to know anything.

Minors are not allowed and I don't think it's necessary to discuss it. Child exploitation is a very important issue, and you better not even fantasize about that. STAY CLEAR of that.

Bestiality:
Like in the fetish point.
Too weird and taboo.

Rape:
Pretty clear why not. Violence and no consent.
Just forget about it.

But a girl in my game dreams about my MC is raping her. BANNED, let's try to not go in circles. I know Patreon says that their team would review the context, and if it's just a dream, well, the game it's not implicating that the rape is real. Anyway, you could get yourself in trouble, and if you're not a big dev, you probably will get banned.

Any kind of discrimination:
Obviously a racist game is not welcome.
You can't treat people like that unless it's a recreation, like some old western stories or some recreation of historical events. (slavery in the middle ages, for example).
I don't know about a game that does that, and honestly, don't try. Why? Because Patreon rather you don't create games like that.
If it was only historical, okay, but if you are recreating how a slaver is penetrating his slaves... No, don't try. Many points above this one will be triggered.

Women-hating:
You can't treat women like if they were in a lesser position. PERIOD.

Now, if it is a sado, then I think it looks like a common fetish and it should be allowed. If you MC is the master and the girl is the slave, if it's clear they're doing sado...
But I would talk to Patreon in this one.


Now, I just want to point out that many sexual desires come from relations that we don't or can't have. This games just try to recreate that.
None of them imply that you have to do that in real life.

Now, I'm going to write down some situations that are popping in my head that could get a game banned :

Peeking when your sister is in the shower. BANNED
Peeking when your friend is in the shower. BANNED
A relative is naked in her bed. BANNED.
I ended up in the girl's locker and I can't get out because I can be caught. Unfortunately (-,-) some chicks came in and are changing. I can see her bodies. This is a tricky one. You should get BANNED but the context makes it possible.
I open the door and my sisters/ mom/ flatmate/ landlord/ neighbor was naked. BANNED... But probably won't be banned. I mean, yes, there's no consent (you should have said... Hi, can I come in?) But unintentional things that are clearly unintentional I GUESS won't be a reason good enough to be banned.

I haven't played all the games. In fact, a played games from 2016, 2017 and some from 2018, and things changed a lot.
I realized that many situation that were thrilling could break patreons guidelines (and probably your country's law, but videogames are not made for that.)

So, what does Patreon want?
Probably wants to get rid off of every porn game they host. It's not bad to have two or three to look like they are open-minded, but it's just a trick.
When a company gets big, doesn't like to get involve with porn. The big names in this world don't like it, and that's basically why.
Patreon don't hate porn, they just don't want trouble.

So, you're left with a game where the MC needs consent of every girl and girls can't feel bad or forced to anything. Like real life.
Do you imagine that every GTA forces you to drive under the speed limit and every NPC you kill forces you to reset the game?
For that, we already have real life. I still don't want games with minors in it (for me it would very disgusting), but freedom is at stake.

I will respectfully debate your ideas. I advance that I don't usually login, so I'll try my best.

And sorry if I made any grammar mistake.

Thanks for the reading!

Ce sont les nouvelles règles de Patreon ? Car à ce jour il serait plus facile de faire une liste des jeux adultes qui ne contienne pas ces interdits tellement il y en a peu... D'ailleurs si quelqu'un peut en cité deux ou trois juste pour voir ?

Tu dit, je cite : I still don't want games with minors in it (for me it would very disgusting), but freedom is at stake.

Alors là, ce n'est pas contre toi mais qu'est-ce que la société et les gens sont hypocrites à ce sujet, c'est incroyable !!
Si dans 10 ans la majorité est fixée à 25 ans, cela te dégouterait de voir une fille de 24 ans dans un jeu ? Je ne crois pas et inversement si dans 10 ans la majorité est fixée à 15 ans, bizarement, cela ne dérangerait plus personne d'avoir une relation avec une fille de 16 ans... Ce que j'essaie d'expliquer, c'est que peu importe les règles qu'on nous oblige à suivre depuis notre naissance, nos pulsions et nos fantasmes eux sont toujours là et il est plus ou moins dur de vivre avec, en fonction du cadre (société, pays, époque, religion etc...) dans lequel on vit et grandit, de là à dire que ça dégoute... c'est se mentir à soi-même.

Pour conclure, si une personne de l'équipe de Patreon passe par là, sachez que grâce à vous et aux développeurs de jeux adultes, il y a surement beaucoup de personnes qui ont pu réaliser une partie de leur fantasme interdit sans passer à l'acte. Sachez aussi que si nous jouons à un jeu, c'est pour pouvoir nous évader de sa vie IRL pendant un instant, donc ramener tous les jeux à ce que l'on vit IRL est complètement inutile.

Pour information, j'ai connu Patreon grâce aux jeux adultes, sinon je pense qu'aujourd'hui je ne serais même pas au courant que ça existe.

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These are the new Patreon rules? Because to date it would be easier to make a list of adult games that does not contain these prohibitions because there are so few ... Besides, if someone can quote two or three just to see?

You say, I quote: I still don't want games with minors in it (for me it would be very disgusting), but freedom is at stake.

So there, it is not against you but what the company and the people are hypocritical on this subject, it is incredible !!

If in 10 years the majority is set at 25, would you disgust to see a 24 year old girl in a game? I do not believe and conversely if in 10 years the majority is fixed at 15 years, oddly, it would not bother anyone to have a relationship with a girl of 16 years ... What I am trying to explain is is that no matter what rules we are forced to follow since our birth, our impulses and our fantasies are always there and it is more or less hard to live with them, depending on the setting (society, country, era, religion etc ...) in which we live and grow, from there to say that it disgusts ... it is to lie to oneself.

To conclude, if someone from the Patreon team comes through, know that thanks to you and the adult game developers, there are surely many people who could have realized part of their forbidden fantasy without going through. act. Also be aware that if we play a game, it is to be able to escape from his life IRL for a moment, so bringing all the games to what we live IRL is completely useless.

For information, I got to know Patreon thanks to adult games, otherwise I think that today I wouldn't even be aware that it exists.

 

[zoneitorboneit]

People tend to ignore that Patreon really only bans games when they BLATANTLY violate the rules they set up, every single time a page has gotten suspended it's due to one of two things, A) They openly talked about content and gave their game a title that also blatantly broke the rules, ala "Dating My Daughter" So mostly incest games since their creators can't come up with a title that isn;t a horrible pun on incest. Or B) They posted nude tits on a public post, a dumbass ruel I'll admit but an understandable one al things considered.

Unlike what OP stated, summertime saga had that issue with patreon and they had to make a lot of changes to the game. Do you think the dev violated the rules by being open about it?

 

[Joshua Tree]

Unlike what OP stated, summertime saga had that issue with patreon and they had to make a lot of changes to the game. Do you think the dev violated the rules by being open about it?

More likely someone reported him for it, than it got picked up from his patreon page itself.

 

[Wol]

Unlike what OP stated, summertime saga had that issue with patreon and they had to make a lot of changes to the game. Do you think the dev violated the rules by being open about it?

Yes, like I said earlier if you don't actually mention what sexual kinks are in the game and keep your page clean then Patreon WILL leave you alone. Otherwise they would have nuked Kaliyo and Swegabe years ago, since I'm pretty sure both Roundscape and LOQO have violated every banned kink except necrophilia.
Hell considering 4minutewarning still has their page up, even that's iffy, it's not like Ravager hides that it's entirely bestiality.

 

[lawfullame]

More likely someone reported him for it, than it got picked up from his patreon page itself.

However, I guess any successful project that violates any point of the Patreon rules is sooner or later reported, because sooner or later there will always be an asshole among the people who wants to cause problems to the developer for some reason.
It surprises me that some successful projects that break the rules very openly survive on Patreon for years, others have been removed due to some minor issues.

 

[amBest]

Personally, I absolutely don't understand why you'd put your game on patreon to begin with. Just distribute your game on something else, have patreon as a tip jar where all you release is posters, wallpapers and the actual 3d model for high end backers. That way you have an out for questions like:

> "Why is there a bestiality scat rape game with your models and your username?"
"Uhm, because I released the models, and fans made their fan game, idk?"

Is patreon such a large pool of people who are simply not internet savy and can't find the game? Is 50%+ of your playerbase coming from patreon clicks and recomendations?

Alternative: Let users give names, relationships and ages, patch out the bestiality scat rape and toe the line, I guess. Sounds too risky IMHO.

 

[Joshua Tree]

However, I guess any successful project that violates any point of the Patreon rules is sooner or later reported, because sooner or later there will always be an asshole among the people who wants to cause problems to the developer for some reason.
It surprises me that some successful projects that break the rules very openly survive on Patreon for years, others have been removed due to some minor issues.

Just look around in different threads on this forum and see how some people act towards creators. Is it plausible someone would in spite and anger report a creator for their content? Yeah. Also when you look at the size of the supporters for something like SummerTime Saga it also increase the chance imho.

 

[lawfullame]

Just look around in different threads on this forum and see how some people act towards creators. Is it plausible someone would in spite and anger report a creator for their content? Yeah. Also when you look at the size of the supporters for something like SummerTime Saga it also increase the chance imho.

I think if Patreon followed the approach of not investigating anything other than the content of the Patreon developer's page it would be enough to avoid problems with the payment processor (Paypal).
Unfortunately some people in the Patreon Trust & Safety team are guardians of morality and proactive idiots who do much more than they have in their job descriptions, interpret the rules very broadly, and even investigate the activities of developers outside the Patreon platform.
I suppose when a project makes $ 1,000 and is reported, such a proactive idot will remove it without much hesitation, and his superiors will not question his decision.
If someone earns over $ 60,000 as a Summertime Saga, Patreon employees probably think twice before kicking out such a project from Patreon.
The rules are very vague, so they have room to interpret them however they want, and I assume that big successful projects can withstand a few reports.
I don't create content that is problematic under Patreon rules because I'm not a fan of these fetishes, but I still don't like how Patreon treats content that many people like. More freedom for the developers would be good for all of us, even if some create content that is not my cup of tea.

 

[rf96]

Patreon would get more sympathy if they said something like "We are under pressure from payment processor to remove questionable content (incest, zoophilia, rape, etc.), so please keep your Patreon page clean of this sort of content." instead of enforcing their vague rules randomly. Then they could also work with devs, explaining them to host the content on their personal website, instead of banning them. As a result of their current policies, they appear as very hostile towards NSFW devs, who will not hesitate to leave them should an alternative emerge.

 

[Wol]

Just look around in different threads on this forum and see how some people act towards creators. Is it plausible someone would in spite and anger report a creator for their content? Yeah. Also when you look at the size of the supporters for something like SummerTime Saga it also increase the chance imho.

Oh definetly, that's why I personally believe that Patreon only really cares about maintaining the "Appearance" of having ban on certain kinds of porn.