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Hi, To all the developers
I am looking to create a new adult game in renpy or rpgm (still undecided) and wanted to know what the patreon policy is about what i can include in my game. As of now i understand that incest is not allowed. Can someone please tell me what other stuff is not allowed in adult games according to patreon. I dont want to make a game and then have my patreon account suspended. Also as i understand 'incest' means sexual relations among direct family like mom-son, father-daughter, mom-daughter, brother-sister. I wanted to know if its son-stepmom, brother-stepsister, cousin-cousin consisdered incest which is not allowed on patreon?
 

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As far as I know, step-incest is not allowed either. Also, rape and bestiality are not allowed.
 

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  1. We define pornographic material as real people engaging in sexual acts on camera
  2. We do not allow incest, necrophilia, or fetish content that is hard to distinguish from non-consensual sex
  3. You should never post or share nude content of any individual under the age of 18, including yourself
safekeeping it on my profile when they first change the rule back then
there you go. . .

the implication is wide but on discretion, so it's all depend on your viewer interpretation
if they (your viewer) conclude your content break the rule, report it, and the platform agree with the report
then no amount of refute can save you. . . :HideThePain:
 

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Hi, To all the developers
I am looking to create a new adult game in renpy or rpgm (still undecided) and wanted to know what the patreon policy is about what i can include in my game. As of now i understand that incest is not allowed. Can someone please tell me what other stuff is not allowed in adult games according to patreon. I dont want to make a game and then have my patreon account suspended. Also as i understand 'incest' means sexual relations among direct family like mom-son, father-daughter, mom-daughter, brother-sister. I wanted to know if its son-stepmom, brother-stepsister, cousin-cousin consisdered incest which is not allowed on patreon?
Well just read the Patreon policy for adult content creators. It's not about just what you can't create, you also need to know other necessary things such as not to name your account with famous things like that.
 

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[...] wanted to know what the patreon policy is about what i can include in my game.
Why not read their , especially the "18+ creations and mature themes" part ?


Can someone please tell me what other stuff is not allowed in adult games according to patreon.
Bestiality ; but not Furry in a full furry setting.
None consensual sex ; if it's an effective part of the content (you can have a rape scene as part of the story, but not as goal).
Everything depicting underage sexualization.
Incest ; any setting representing a family-like context will be seen as incestuous.
 

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if they (your viewer) conclude your content break the rule, report it, and the platform agree with the report
then no amount of refute can save you. . .
If I'm not mistaken, I believe in a few cases, they'll open your account back up if you change/remove violating scenes. Which may be hard to do if your game is built around said violating content (Incest, loli/underage, bestiality, rape, etc.).
 

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So you cant make a game about enslaving someone, since its not consensual?

Of course you can.
You just *very likely* can't monetize it on Patreon.

According to their current , the specific wording is "We also do not allow other fringe sexual fetish creations, such as incest, necrophilia, or fetish creations that are hard to distinguish from non-consensual sex."

You might be able to squeak past their Trust and Safety team by heavily relying on "that are hard to distinguish" with a disclaimer like "Despite the appearance at the outset of this game, all fictional sexual interactions with the game by the fictional characters are consensual - the reasoning will be expanded upon later within the game." or simply have a scene near the beginning of the game where the "victim" is posting on a message board requesting a partner to explore fantasy scenarios involving enslavement. Then have the MC reply and the "victim" and MC exchange message to agree , specific actions/movements/noises to replace safewords when gags or hoods are being used and agree upon when and where the fantasy will start. Extra points if an early scene has the "victim" using a "Yellow"/"Mercy" safeword to dial back the intensity without stopping and perhaps a later scene where both parties agree to stop the use of safewords. I can't see how either concession would significantly impact the scenes you are planning to include within your game.

Patreon could still say it crosses their line in the sand and won't let you monetize your game using their service - but that's the risk you take.

None of which stops you writing your game and publishing it elsewhere without involving Patreon. Directly here on F95 for example.
 
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You might be able to squeak past their Trust and Safety team by heavily relying on "that are hard to distinguish" with a disclaimer like "Despite the appearance at the outset of this game, all fictional sexual interactions with the game by the fictional characters are consensual - the reasoning will be expanded upon later within the game."
I don't think that they would buy the disclaimer.

Have to be kept in mind, when you search a solution, that Patreon isn't the real enemy. By themselves they'll not try too hard to enforce their rules ; at least for adult games, I guess that the "no prostitution" rule have a more active tracking. They want to offer the possibility to create for as many persons as possible. Therefore they'll close their eyes until they really have to open them ; when someone report the game.
And if someone report the game, that mean that he wasn't satisfied by the disclaimer, thinking that it goes to far on the none consensual side. This in the same way that they wouldn't buy a "all girls in this game are over 18 even when they don't looks like it" disclaimer, expecting that if someone feel the need to report the game, the girl really don't looks near to be over 18.

As for the initial agreement, I'm not sure that it would be enough. Here again because someone complained. What mean that someone didn't get that it was an agreement, or ended forgetting about it. And those are two valid reasons to consider that the game is breaking the rule, since in both case someone will end seeing it as a kind of apology of none consensual sex.

From my point of view, it can only be done with a clear role play/fetish approach. What mean that during the "sexual play" (in the widest definition of the term) the girl act and is treated as a pure slave, and outside of them, she act and is treated like a normal person. Even if it's just some kind of, "oh my god, it was wonderful today", after session talk.
And this as often as possible. Once you're under Patreon ban hammer, you are guilty by default ; they don't want the payment processors to impose even stricter rules. Therefore, you have to prove that you did nothing wrong, not to explain it.


Oh and also:
If I'm not mistaken, I believe in a few cases, they'll open your account back up if you change/remove violating scenes.
So far, the only times I heard someone was definitively banned, it was because this person refused to comply to the rules, or clearly voluntarily decided to break them again.

As I said, they are doing their best to offer a place where creators can create, whatever they create. Therefore they have to be strict, in order to protect the others creators, but still will let you make an error time to time, as long as it's an innocent error.
In the context of this thread, they could possibly come with an "it's been a while, in game time, that you didn't showed that the girl wasn't just a slave" complain. Come back on what you already did, add one or two "normal girl" scene, and they'll let you go again.
 
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So any content with Centaurs no matter their gender has to be excluded from patreon version of a game?
 

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So any content with Centaurs no matter their gender has to be excluded from patreon version of a game?
Centaurs are magical creatures with human appearance and intelligence. They should be alright. But you can always contact the trust and safety team if you are unsure. I have done so in the past for a post I was unsure (and eventually wrong) about.
 

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Centaurs are magical creatures with human appearance and intelligence. They should be alright. But you can always contact the trust and safety team if you are unsure. I have done so in the past for a post I was unsure (and eventually wrong) about.
Okay, so it's more about the animal brain and behavior and not about animal genitalia? Therefore Hybrids (Centaurs, Harpye, Mermaids, etc.) or humans who somehow got a horsecock for example?
Anyone already asked the trust and safety team about such content? Otherwise I might do it.
 

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Okay, so it's more about the animal brain and behavior and not about animal genitalia? Therefore Hybrids (Centaurs, Harpye, Mermaids, etc.) or humans who somehow got a horsecock for example?
Anyone already asked the trust and safety team about such content? Otherwise I might do it.
no the comment about centaurs is wrong. sex between a human and the animal part of a hybrid is not allowed
https://f95zone.to/threads/is-sex-w...considred-as-bestiality.155105/#post-10469286
 
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Huh was not expecting that but it is logical in a way. Makes for a more clear line.
 

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Huh was not expecting that but it is logical in a way.
3D Wonders assumption still feel more logical.
If bestiality is illegal it's because animals can't consent ; in most Law it's even defined as cruelty against animals. Therefore, starting the moment when they are half humans, and therefore dispose of brain that can apprehend the nature of sexuality, and can talk, and therefore consent, it would feel natural to consider them as human.


Makes for a more clear line.
I think that it's this more than a question of logic. By considering that them being half human, they are animal, instead of considering that having a human brain they can consent with a clear conscience, they close the gate to abuses like, "it's a genetically modified dog, he have a IQ of 180 and he can talk".
 

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3D Wonders assumption still feel more logical.
If bestiality is illegal it's because animals can't consent ; in most Law it's even defined as cruelty against animals. Therefore, starting the moment when they are half humans, and therefore dispose of brain that can apprehend the nature of sexuality, and can talk, and therefore consent, it would feel natural to consider them as human.
genetically modified dog, he have a IQ of 180 and he can talk".
Yeah no that was my first assumption. For me Centaurs, Pixies, Mermaids etc are human with some animal bits stuck on. More or less like furries basically. But since it is not for me I haven't really given it much thought either way.

I think that it's this more than a question of logic. By considering that them being half human, they are animal, instead of considering that having a human brain they can consent with a clear conscience, they close the gate to abuses like, "it's a genetically modified dog, he have a IQ of 180 and he can talk".
This is what I meant but better worded. :ROFLMAO:
 

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Thank you all to clear that up.

Edit: Does anyone know if this is the same for Subscribestar, itch.io or other platforms (e.g. Discord)?
so far subscribestar seems to not have these BS rules patreon does, but more devs choose to monetize on patreon for some reason and put up with the crap it makes no sense
 

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so far subscribestar seems to not have these BS rules patreon does, but more devs choose to monetize on patreon for some reason and put up with the crap it makes no sense
Well, on one side there's Patreon, a decade old company for which you know the owner and real location. Trustworthy, relatively fast to answer, consistent in its policy, and that follow the Law. It also permit you to use the major payment processors even for adult content, and have no minimal amount before you can withdraw your money.
And on the other side, there's SubscribeStar, for which you know absolutely nothing except it's mailbox, that can take months before it answer, and that follow obscure rules that vary depending who ask. It also need that you promote them through your social media accounts, for your account to be validated, and don't really looks like you can trust them. It do not permit you to use the major payment processors, and you can't get your money if you don't have at least US$ 50.

Yeah, you're right, it make no sense why devs prefer to use Patreon.
 

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Well, on one side there's Patreon, a decade old company for which you know the owner and real location. Trustworthy, relatively fast to answer, consistent in its policy, and that follow the Law. It also permit you to use the major payment processors even for adult content, and have no minimal amount before you can withdraw your money.
And on the other side, there's SubscribeStar, for which you know absolutely nothing except it's mailbox, that can take months before it answer, and that follow obscure rules that vary depending who ask. It also need that you promote them through your social media accounts, for your account to be validated, and don't really looks like you can trust them. It do not permit you to use the major payment processors, and you can't get your money if you don't have at least US$ 50.

Yeah, you're right, it make no sense why devs prefer to use Patreon.
according to subscribestar payouts take 14 days you must have a minimum of 150 dollars built up and 5 active members ..... I have many dev that i support that use subcribestar since patreon started their BS crack down and i have never heard them complaining with your input , not saying you are wrong its just Interesting . I personally have only dealt with either from the subscriber side so I am not sure i just know that patreon seems to be trying to kill the adult games by the death of 1000 cuts