Paying for incomplete games
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Avaron1974
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Here's the thing, a hell of a lot of us only play these games because they have story.
If I want quick and easy porn i've got porn sites for those. If i'm downloading something to sit and read I want characters I can get invested in with a story that will hook me and choices to make routes matter.
I've got no interest at all in basic porn, it's boring.
moskyx
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You can't know it. Same as you can't know if your partner will stay faithful to you, you just read the signals and decide to engage - or to go away. It's not that complicated, in the end it's just a few bucks. You pay because you enjoy what you see and play, in the hopes it keeps that way. You said yourself you spent 2 years backing someone who didn't answer your questions, that's a clear bad signal you chose to ignore simply because the game was good enough for you - until it wasn't. No hard feelings.
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Funny how I keep reading people saying that but I am yet to play a western adult game with actual good story.
I do agree with slow build and gameplay that's why I play games instead of porn. But how is their story different from porn when you play a game where the mom slips and falls over the mc dick lol?
I'll take off my developer hat put my patron hat (Reinbach's This Romantic World, Tinkerer's Peasant's Quest, BlackHeart games, NTRMan, probably more). All of the games I support are "Incomplete", so what?! They are still fun to play. What am I paying here, the end title? The credits screen? Is this what I'm anxious to see?
Assuming you have the resources for it, if a developer delivers enjoyable content in acceptable (to you) intervals, why not support them? Because you're dying to see the list of credits at the end of a game you enjoy?
Assuming you have the resources for it, if a developer delivers enjoyable content in acceptable (to you) intervals, why not support them? Because you're dying to see the list of credits at the end of a game you enjoy?
Do AAA games still have pre-orders? Just checking.
How I see it is, yes, there's a chance that some developer doesn't deliver according to your expectations. So try to estimate that risk and take it into account when trying to consider whether or not to support someone or how much. I'd say pay based on how much fun the stuff they've already made is rather than on how much fun they say the stuff will be in the future, and update how much you pay based on their new updates or lack thereof.
How I see it is, yes, there's a chance that some developer doesn't deliver according to your expectations. So try to estimate that risk and take it into account when trying to consider whether or not to support someone or how much. I'd say pay based on how much fun the stuff they've already made is rather than on how much fun they say the stuff will be in the future, and update how much you pay based on their new updates or lack thereof.
I am very happy with the people who support me on Patreon. While I believe I have a decent amount of subscribers on Patreon, I don't make any profit. I commission an artist to paint stunning art assets, and a writer who lays the foundation for the story. That expertise costs a lot more than I earn now.
I do the programming. It's perfectly balanced, and while I don't make any profit, I do it because it's fun. Interacting with different kinds of people, improving my skills.
I do the programming. It's perfectly balanced, and while I don't make any profit, I do it because it's fun. Interacting with different kinds of people, improving my skills.
Itch doesn't force you to do anything, it's the devs who set pricing on their games.
Depends on your definition of "good". There certainly are no Twains, Faulkners, TS Eliots amongst us but there are plenty of games that I would say have objectively good stories compared to your average Hollywood script. DPK's "Acting Lessons" is very endearing and "BaDik" is entertaining though much more sophomoric. Perverteer and Caribdis are both decent writers with enjoyable scripts. "The Last Sovereign" has a great script honestly, it might even be more enjoyable as a book and not hampered by crappy RPGM engine.
Back on topic though, this discussion gets brought up every couple months. Very few devs are putting their game behind DRM, you can literally download most of this stuff in seconds for absolutely free and no one is twisting anyone's arm to pay for games devs have spent hundreds of hours developing. Many of these "unfinished" games have dozens of hours of playable content. If you enjoy a developers work, it isn't too much to ask to subscribe to them for a few months and support. You probably spend less money on a cheeseburger and fries these days. If the game you downloaded for free isn't good or they aren't releasing content fast enough for you, then simply don't support them, but the least you can do is not complain about something you had no intention of paying for to begin with.
It's not "buy", it is support.
Without current model you'd be playing newground 10min flash porn games. There is a correlation to why it transitioned from flash games no one knows to what it is today once devs found a way to earn some $ to cover production and put some food on the table while doing it.
Game development is a lengthy process. Hundreds or even thousands of hours.
Most of us do it for fun. There are better career paths to earn $$$, but public support makes it a viable passion option.
Some fail, and some games are never finished.
But the % manage to finish is very good if you compare it to start up businesses. The % failing there is even higher.
And every year quality only rises. Not to notice it, someone must be ignoring it on purpose.
In my opinion, while there are bad apples in game making community, but in the bigger picture people who play and support creators also grow the XXX game industry. Devs become more professional, they gain skill, they gain support, which allows them to expand, hire, buy better assets, art, pc, etc. Games like subverse or what a legend pops up. They're not 1 person work.
Porn games gets better every day.
Maybe instead of blaming on some dev who makes incest and gets lazy, pay more attention to what games are being done. Divimera, for example, has steady updates, quality art, gameplay, writing and dev finished 2 games already, but nowhere near the numbers to games where devs make 1-2 updates with young daughters and call it a day updating two or once a year.
Without current model you'd be playing newground 10min flash porn games. There is a correlation to why it transitioned from flash games no one knows to what it is today once devs found a way to earn some $ to cover production and put some food on the table while doing it.
Game development is a lengthy process. Hundreds or even thousands of hours.
Most of us do it for fun. There are better career paths to earn $$$, but public support makes it a viable passion option.
Some fail, and some games are never finished.
But the % manage to finish is very good if you compare it to start up businesses. The % failing there is even higher.
And every year quality only rises. Not to notice it, someone must be ignoring it on purpose.
In my opinion, while there are bad apples in game making community, but in the bigger picture people who play and support creators also grow the XXX game industry. Devs become more professional, they gain skill, they gain support, which allows them to expand, hire, buy better assets, art, pc, etc. Games like subverse or what a legend pops up. They're not 1 person work.
Porn games gets better every day.
Maybe instead of blaming on some dev who makes incest and gets lazy, pay more attention to what games are being done. Divimera, for example, has steady updates, quality art, gameplay, writing and dev finished 2 games already, but nowhere near the numbers to games where devs make 1-2 updates with young daughters and call it a day updating two or once a year.
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Carpe Stultus
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You seem to fail to understand that your mentioned AAA games come from established companies that have enough funding themselfs or have investors that invest enough money to keep the project rolling. Indie porn game devs don't have that per se and are reliant on donations of people who like what they do to be able to sustain a project.
Also when it comes to the development time a lot of people don't understand that making games, AAA or indie, takes time and even AAA games take years to finish despite having a huge ass team working on them.
Not going to comment on the dev of ecchi sensei because i absolutely don't care about that game so i don't seek information about update times and so on.
They also have teams of Testers and Quality Assurance teams.
Indie teams (or even worse, solo) make games in a glass dome, with no external input.
An indie game could be developed in the shadows for years, release, and people might not enjoy it or even be unable to progress for some flaws that the devs totally missed.
As a Patron, you actually have the power to influence the game you are supporting.
Carpe Stultus
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That is somewhat true. Somewhat because a dev could have testers in the circle of people they know but yeah they don't have the amount of testers that gamestudios have thats certain.
Patreon donators have definitely a influence when it comes to bugs or QoL.
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I believe that most of them would already be happy if by chance they achieve to earn enough to pay back their expenses. Alas even this don't happen this often.
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, less than 700 earn more than US$ 1000/month, most of them having started two or more years ago, and near to 3000 earn less than US$ 200/month.So, for OP, think again...
One don't start making a game because he is unemployed and want to earn some money. You start a game because you have some money and don't care if you end loosing it. Perhaps that one day it will pay, but if it happen, it will only be in a far future, and after you've spent thousands of US$.