DomWolf

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Yeah and unlike other girls their behaviour is nice with the mc even with Empty affection stat so I think it might be bug or it is just it's supposed to be.
I think they were never given the affection stats. Which feels weird but not terrible.

Worst one for me is Oksana cos I think she is locked at 3 hearts. I can NEVER get that to rise...
 
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DomWolf

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To be honest the game is really bad ... there's no clear instructions or classes and nothing to aid in battle? not to mention the terribly long grind !
This is Tinkerer's first ever attempt at making a game &, especially in the early game, you can tell. Yes the game has its flaws but he has gotten alot better over time & has taken people's feedback on board.

He often speaks about doing either a PQ2 or another game entirely after this one. He has mentioned adding stuff to that like a Mercanery system (party companions with there own stories/personalities & special slills), implementing better combat mechanics, & having QoL stuff implemented earlier based on what he has learnt to do in the creation of thos game.

For a first time attempt at making a game & with everything that's in it I would say this game isnt terrible. Is it flawed? Yes. Can some things be fixed? Yes. But it's still a good game IMO.
 
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dimskii77

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sooo where is 5 new quests? i Only find one new quest and it's just following the ghost, where to start the other 4 also where is rhis new character?
 

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sooo where is 5 new quests? i Only find one new quest and it's just following the ghost, where to start the other 4 also where is rhis new character?
How far are u in the story? If you have completed the "Wine" quest then sleep 1 day & go to the Waystone in Forgotten Valley. You'll now the quest triggered cos Gabriel will be locked in combat with a Demon.
 
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Krakthunder

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Can anyone please help me with my save? every time i get into the castle in the quest "Alice in Wonderland" the screen turns black and when i just go walk around i get dialogues from gallery/mod cheat (it is in theory updated rn for 3.51), so i assume its trying to make map 167 the gallery map but when i go to the tree cheat it uses map 168 like its supposed to, is there anything i should do before entering the castle to avoid this? i checked the json files and 167 map has nothing to do with the gallery thing
 

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This is Tinkerer's first ever attempt at making a game &, especially in the early game, you can tell. Yes the game has its flaws but he has gotten alot better over time & has taken people's feedback on board.

He often speaks about doing either a PQ2 or another game entirely after this one. He has mentioned adding stuff to that like a Mercanery system (party companions with there own stories/personalities & special slills), implementing better combat mechanics, & having QoL stuff implemented earlier based on what he has learnt to do in the creation of thos game.

For a first time attempt at making a game & with everything that's in it I would say this game isnt terrible. Is it flawed? Yes. Can some things be fixed? Yes. But it's still a good game IMO.

i like the game also. There is some grind in the
beginning but after that, almost a VN.
 

renardsky

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There's a daily chance of him being in town, and sometimes the game hates you when it's only a chance of something. How many days has it been without him appearing?
Sometimes it's just the RNG I once took 10 days for him to come back. When he does return. I recommend saving before the date & just keep reloading till u knock up Alice.
Thank you for the suggestions guys, I don't know how many days it's been as I did a lot of other quests in between but I'll try to just spam days until he comes back.
 

DomWolf

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So the way Naamah talks about the children she births and the way they behave I have a theory. Demons have no anatomical organs for reproduction as we have seen, except for Naamah who is a Succubus (while ED is also a Succubus she is more like a mortal born clone of Naamah as far as I can tell. Not an exact duplicate but born of her essence.) So this makes me believe that Succubi are the "queens" of the Demon species.

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Think of Demons like ants, termites or bees, in the sense they are all born to a "colony" or "nest", each born to serve a specific role. The reason I say this is because Naamah, on her first birth, says its "just a drone" & refers to the lesser demons as such. She later says "nothing special about this one" which makes me wonder CAN she birth more advanced/specialised demons in a later update? If Incubi are in this games world I would assume they take the role that *actual* drones take in colonies, breeding with the queen (mortals). On a more mythic side they probably also spread their seed to mortal women to create half-demons (like the one MC can have with ED).

Now I'm not sure if Succubi are born through the ritual that birthed ED or not but if they are then perhaps ED is a young Succubus, perhaps destined to grow further into a "mature" form like Naamah at which point her demonic nature may force her to return yo the Supernatural realm (pure speculation on my part here).

If Demons are a hive-colony species then that is really interesting to me. I wonder if Nergal is a true god or just the most powerful demon among them, gaining god-level?


Quick Note: Tinkerer has confirmed that all Familiars are a different species to Demons meaning that Imps are NOT demons. They just serve them because they are drawn to powerful creatures & beings like Nergal or Naamah probably share the same moral directive as Imps comapred to Angels (hence the association).
 

Damagus01

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I think they were never given the affection stats. Which feels weird but not terrible.
They're, y'know, vampires. Tinkerer is familiar with the World of Darkness game setting (see his comments about werewolf genetics) and it wouldn't surprise me if they take some inspiration from WoD vamps. Blood-bonding the MC during "Delivery Boy" supports that idea IMO.

Tinkerer has also said Venomina's 'Affection' is really how well fed you keep her. And that Naamah's 'Affection' reflects (perceived) devotion in worship. We all know a lot of players will be making sacrifices with the sole goal of banging her..
 

DomWolf

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They're, y'know, vampires. Tinkerer is familiar with the World of Darkness game setting (see his comments about werewolf genetics) and it wouldn't surprise me if they take some inspiration from WoD vamps. Blood-bonding the MC during "Delivery Boy" supports that idea IMO.

Tinkerer has also said Venomina's 'Affection' is really how well fed you keep her. And that Naamah's 'Affection' reflects (perceived) devotion in worship. We all know a lot of players will be making sacrifices with the sole goal of banging her..
True. But you would think that they would have an affection rise for proving reliability at least. :(
 
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Damagus01

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True. But you would think that they would have an affection rise for proving reliability at least. :(
How about their 'Affection' being "he's really useful and losing his services would suck"? :)

(Maybe having max 'Affection' when giving birth results in a physically-normal but stillborn daughter, leading to your dhampire idea?)
 
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Hi, can anyone help me where can I find the new character? and what is the new story and scenes of, Erevi, Alice and Qetesh the only quest and scene that I unlocked was following Quetesh and seeing her bathing but for the other characters I can't unlock their quests scene?
 

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muschi26

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Is it tho? Whenever I read this its always the same thing. Theres a thing they dont like so they leave. No real feedback. just no like, good by.

I could appreciate someone explaining what went wrong & why they themselves wont be playing anymore. THOSE posts do add feedback.
“I didn’t like this” is about as good feedback as you can get from most people. In the words of Neil Gaiman:
When people tell you something’s wrong or doesn’t work for them, they are almost always right. When they tell you exactly what they think is wrong and how to fix it, they are almost always wrong.
 

jackeasy

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Potion of agility can be made without sacred water, trouble is it needs feathers. Did a search and multiple people say ravens have the feathers I need, but they aren't mentioned at all. How do you get feathers from the ravens? If I try to chase them, they fly away way too quickly. Are there nests or something where you pick the feathers up from? Also, why can't I just pluck some chickens for feathers?
Easily one of the most annoying materials to find in the game.

To answer your question, yes you do have to catch them. The subtle part that the game doesn't tell you is that the birds have line of sight. You have to try and sneak up behind them, quickly, and hope that they don't turn around. If they see you, they are so fast that you will never catch them.

The same thing goes for the snow owls even after you've used the potion. The only difference for them is that if you don't have the potion active, they will sense you coming from a few tiles away even if you're behind them.

Personally, I think buying the potions from the shop in greyport is so much easier. They're only 50g and you can sell just about anything you pick up off the ground. This may not be an option depending on your game progress.
 
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