bigguy_foryou

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I wouldn't care lol, I've seen plently of fucked up VNs where that stuff was part of the story and completely non-optional.
I'm pretty sure most people would care though, you're clearly irregular here. Most people aren't going to flip through a sex scene, encounter scat (or guro) and go "oh ok" and just keep going without being bothered or put off.

Also, NTR isn't "unpopular", both actual and the new fake definition that includes sharing and orgies, people who hate it are just really vocally angry and tend to brigade so they think there are more of themselves than there actually are. If you look at any objective porn metrics from game sales to hub site data you'd see that NTR haters are a minority.
I don't think I agree with this at all, I'd guess that most people do not want their loved ones cheating on them and especially not in a humiliating way. Whatever metrics you're using are likely skewed for a number of reasons, and while the amount of fans may not be small in number, I would still definitely consider them a minority.
I do agree that the term has ballooned and is being used to encapsulate things that it probably shouldn't though, ie. sharing which is voluntary and endorsed by the player (mind you I don't think that's excessively popular either, but far more so than actual NTR).
There's probably no actual NTR in this game, but I don't like the content that falls under the "new fake definition" as you call it either so I'm more than happy for the tag to be used on games that include that type of content as a warning that I should investigate before committing time to playing them. Usually it's as simple as finding a post that says it's optional, which gives me the green light. I'd much rather go through that than download a game just to find out half the content is the MC whoring his LI out.
 

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I'm pretty sure most people would care though, you're clearly irregular here. Most people aren't going to flip through a sex scene, encounter scat (or guro) and go "oh ok" and just keep going without being bothered or put off.


I don't think I agree with this at all, I'd guess that most people do not want their loved ones cheating on them and especially not in a humiliating way. Whatever metrics you're using are likely skewed for a number of reasons, and while the amount of fans may not be small in number, I would still definitely consider them a minority.
I do agree that the term has ballooned and is being used to encapsulate things that it probably shouldn't though, ie. sharing which is voluntary and endorsed by the player (mind you I don't think that's excessively popular either, but far more so than actual NTR).
There's probably no actual NTR in this game, but I don't like the content that falls under the "new fake definition" as you call it either so I'm more than happy for the tag to be used on games that include that type of content as a warning that I should investigate before committing time to playing them. Usually it's as simple as finding a post that says it's optional, which gives me the green light. I'd much rather go through that than download a game just to find out half the content is the MC whoring his LI out.
I am not a fan of NTR but I do find it hypocriticaly hilarious when people are bitching about sharing scenes or pre-relationship promiscuity when they are playing a game where we build a harem behind the backs of many women who think we are soley theres. We all play this game. We all cheat on the girls. And then they bitch about sharing... it's kinda pathetic when u realise the double standard they have.
 

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I'm pretty sure most people would care though, you're clearly irregular here. Most people aren't going to flip through a sex scene, encounter scat (or guro) and go "oh ok" and just keep going without being bothered or put off.


I don't think I agree with this at all, I'd guess that most people do not want their loved ones cheating on them and especially not in a humiliating way. Whatever metrics you're using are likely skewed for a number of reasons, and while the amount of fans may not be small in number, I would still definitely consider them a minority.
I do agree that the term has ballooned and is being used to encapsulate things that it probably shouldn't though, ie. sharing which is voluntary and endorsed by the player (mind you I don't think that's excessively popular either, but far more so than actual NTR).
There's probably no actual NTR in this game, but I don't like the content that falls under the "new fake definition" as you call it either so I'm more than happy for the tag to be used on games that include that type of content as a warning that I should investigate before committing time to playing them. Usually it's as simple as finding a post that says it's optional, which gives me the green light. I'd much rather go through that than download a game just to find out half the content is the MC whoring his LI out.
You've completely rephrased the question from the person I was responding to. I answered assuming that I'd know there's extreme content going into it, and be ok with knowing I'm going to encounter it at some point. All games on here are tagged so you're going to know what you're going to encounter anyway, whether you know when it's going to happen or not. Also, I said NTR haters are a minority. There are plenty of people who don't feel strongly about NTR either way, myself included, and they are by far the majority. That doesn't mean they actively like it, it just means they're not triggered by it and won't not consume some media because it contains NTR. Also you're changing the definition of NTR I responded to, you're using the real definition, which I do prefer, but the post I was responding to was phrased using the expanded definition people like to use these days, especially in the gaming sector. If you're using the narrow definition of the POV of someone being cucked by someone who they're in a relationship with, sure that's probably not super-popular, but everyone on here uses the expanded definition now so people who hate NTR in that definition are objectively a vocal minority of porn consumers, and the only reason this game has that tag is due to the expanded definition as there is no true NTR in the game at all.
 

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I am not a fan of NTR but I do find it hypocriticaly hilarious when people are bitching about sharing scenes or pre-relationship promiscuity when they are playing a game where we build a harem behind the backs of many women who think we are soley theres. We all play this game. We all cheat on the girls. And then they bitch about sharing... it's kinda pathetic when u realise the double standard they have.
I'd agree with you if this was a real life scenario or even maybe if the girls in the game got upset and their hearts crushed if they found you cheating on them. But this is a game, with no consequences. These girls cannot be hurt by your actions, they aren't even real, but you can definitely be emotionally upset by theirs, as you are real. So while I agree with your sentiment, I don't really think it applies here because of the reality of the situation, they're pixels.
I do think sometimes people almost choose to get upset when they don't have to though, like if you choose to chase the girl you already know early on has had previous partners then get upset about it... I mean that sucks I guess but what did you expect?
 
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Yea, loving the Qetesh stuff, hopefully Tinkerer doesn't change his plans for it due to the easily triggered.
My thinking the way he does it now, is do both sides. so you can see it and skip it. and yes lots of backlash with the group scene with the goblins and ''sharing'' with the giant going to be skipable for some people.

personal not to botherd by it all, but lots of people asked if it would be skip-able that comes to the discord with a patreon tag or without. but story wise first he makes it how he wants it and afterwords add fixes/skips if needed.

also i see its like a game in the middel ages and keep want to use a 2000+ mindset on stuff so bit weird to do so, in those days its more important not to die than think what people think about relationships and all.
 

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My thinking the way he does it now, is do both sides. so you can see it and skip it. and yes lots of backlash with the group scene with the goblins and ''sharing'' with the giant going to be skipable for some people.

personal not to botherd by it all, but lots of people asked if it would be skip-able that comes to the discord with a patreon tag or without. but story wise first he makes it how he wants it and afterwords add fixes/skips if needed.

also i see its like a game in the middel ages and keep want to use a 2000+ mindset on stuff so bit weird to do so, in those days its more important not to die than think what people think about relationships and all.
I think of it as a fantasy game, so it's not always useful to make direct comparisons to the actual middle ages IMO, but I see your point. And yea hopefully he just adds more skip options instead of changing plans. I absolutely want to see a massive Qeteshi orgy at some point.
 
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I'd agree with you if this was a real life scenario or even maybe if the girls in the game got upset and their hearts crushed if they found you cheating on them. But this is a game, with no consequences. These girls cannot be hurt by your actions, they aren't even real, but you can definitely be emotionally upset by theirs, as you are real. So while I agree with your sentiment, I don't really think it applies here because of the reality of the situation, they're pixels.
I do think sometimes people almost choose to get upset when they don't have to though, like if you choose to chase the girl you already know early on has had previous partners then get upset about it... I mean that sucks I guess but what did you expect?
I'm not gonna disagree with most of what u said but I will disagree a out the whole "no consequences, people get hurt cos there real but the girls aren't" thing. It's as u said there NOT REAL. No need to get that pissy about it that u whine until the creator has to change his/her creative direction (especially when it makes sense to the scenario, be it plot, lore or even comedy at the player's expense). I'm also using the "royal you" as in anyone that gets annoyed, not you personally (y).

The fact that people sit there like "I can build my harem & have no consequences for my actions." Then be like "Bitch had other relations or is with someone else, f***** slut" in the next. We are all playing a man-whore here let's be honest. Also they do get upset (in game, I know they dont feel it really), they react when MC hasent seen them for a while, some thing he is there alone & probs would get pissed if they found out (hypertheticly). Theres no point in people getting worked up over a GAME. Just go play something else & be sure to read the tags (also the expanded "definition" of NTR annoys me cos it's stupid lol)
 

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My thinking the way he does it now, is do both sides. so you can see it and skip it. and yes lots of backlash with the group scene with the goblins and ''sharing'' with the giant going to be skipable for some people.

personal not to botherd by it all, but lots of people asked if it would be skip-able that comes to the discord with a patreon tag or without. but story wise first he makes it how he wants it and afterwords add fixes/skips if needed.

also i see its like a game in the middel ages and keep want to use a 2000+ mindset on stuff so bit weird to do so, in those days its more important not to die than think what people think about relationships and all.
I think of it as a fantasy game, so it's not always useful to make direct comparisons to the actual middle ages IMO, but I see your point. And yea hopefully he just adds more skip options instead of changing plans. I absolutely want to see a massive Qeteshi orgy at some point.
I feel like it's a medieval fantasy world with modern day perks. Like the concept of "boyfriend/girlfriend" being used (pretty sure that was a term back then) & it does have SOME modern day restrictions. The only F+D incest is with half-monster daughters who have rapidly aged, no pedo shit (which kinda would have been the norm back then, if she bleeds she breeds was the mindset). But I do think people place TOO MUCH 2000+ morality in the game. Bestiality was frowned upon, but probably more common they we like to admit & there was a strong patriarchal mindset where women had less power (as shown with Victoria having to rule THROUGH MC & Alice being forced into an arranged marrage).

Its an odd one but I think Tink has created an interesting world & every scene (be it shared or cuck) does make sense to the lore he created. We dont have to like it, I personally appreciate the option to skip the goblin gangbang & I just think people need to stop being so insecure about a game at times. Ya know.
 
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I'm not gonna disagree with most of what u said but I will disagree a out the whole "no consequences, people get hurt cos there real but the girls aren't" thing. It's as u said there NOT REAL.
I think we're basically in agreement, but I stand by my original point here. The point of a story or (story driven) video game is to generate emotional investment and response, yes it's not real, but it can still upset you. Have you never been upset by the turn of events or ending of a TV show before? You're meant to get somewhat invested in the girls in these games, that's the point of it being a game, if not for that you'd just be watching regular porn and I don't know why you'd waste your time with gameplay, character, and story. So when they do something like cheat on you, yeah it's fake, yeah it doesn't really matter, but it can still hit people emotionally and upset them, which is why people don't like it. Notice that no one gets upset that pornstars fuck dudes that are not them.
 
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I think we're basically in agreement, but I stand by my original point here. The point of a story or (story driven) video game is to generate emotional investment and response, yes it's not real, but it can still upset you. Have you never been upset by the turn of events or ending of a TV show before? You're meant to get somewhat invested in the girls in these games, that's the point of it being a game, if not for that you'd just be watching regular porn and I don't know why you'd waste your time with gameplay, character, and story. So when they do something like cheat on you, yeah it's fake, yeah it doesn't really matter, but it can still hit people emotionally and upset them, which is why people don't like it. Notice that no one gets upset that pornstars fuck dudes that are not them.
I do agree. We are pretty much in the same page. But there is no one that cheats on MC in this game. Victoria cheats on her HUSBAND with MC. Ziva has 3some with MC & Grug. Shakala's gangbang is merely a goblin tradition (shi is already preg, which people have complained about thinking the goblins knock her up, they dont). Even Mia's cucking with the Werewolf was a mistake, it was more a rape as she thought it was MC. Even Jenny is cucking her husband to sleep with MC. We as players will ALWAYS win in these circumstances. But I do agree with the investment if emotions. But still no need to get annoyed if u have read the tags & still decided to play. (y)
 

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....I'd guess that most people do not want their loved ones cheating on them and especially not in a humiliating way....
You need to keep porn and RL separated at all times with hard wall. I am pretty sure that most of the NTR lovers wouldn't want to be cheated on, and scat/guro lovers would not actually attempt anything in that manner in real life. It is fiction, it is nothing BUT fiction. Getting triggered over fictional situations is not good for your mental health.

Also there is no NTR in this game...there is netori and the werewolf scene doesnt even fall in that category.
 
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