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So, you are saying things like "The Peddler's Fate" doesn't happen too much and if I bear one or two of them I should be ok? I still would prefer if there was an option for completing this quest without having sex with her (especially because you have to complete this quest in order to progress through the game, if it was something optional I just wouldn't do that quest and be done with it). Like killing her or deceiving her.
Keeping spoiler-y info to a minimum...after you learn the Summon spell there are scenes with Beth & Mia which you may have issues with. You might also have issues with Vixenatrix and Venomina. Possibly Annabelle as well depending on your sensibilities. And there are female vampires which must be interacted with to advance the Temple storyline...

Beth can be a one-time thing but Venomina requires at least a few times. Mia's content doesn't have to be done at all, but it does lead (via Liandra at the Well) to a HIGHLY helpful item for when you face Master later in the game. Vixenatrix's scene(s) can be avoided, it's dangerous but I've done it.

That's all I can think of in addition to stuff already mentioned.
 
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Making a bunch of alternate females to show up later isn't really feasible, either.

Maybe if you want to gack her you get a warning that a lot of game content would be locked out, giving you a chance to change your mind?

Vixenatrix is also getting an update eventually. Maybe a warning if you try to steal the gem and survive her content will be locked out, as well?
I think the "bug"(?) With Shakala should be fixed. You kill her, shes dead. End of (Her) story.

Also it's pretty obvious to anyone with a brain that killing the Goblin will mean u cant pursue anything with the Goblin. And stealing from the Dragon will probably lock off anything else with the dragon. If someone makes that choice & then goes "awww I wanted..." or "I dont wanna restart" then that's their bad. You either play from the earliest save before that or restart the game.

Same with the vamps as well, you kill them that's it. I dont think a warning is necessary.
 

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So, you are saying things like "The Peddler's Fate" doesn't happen too much and if I bear one or two of them I should be ok? I still would prefer if there was an option for completing this quest without having sex with her (especially because you have to complete this quest in order to progress through the game, if it was something optional I just wouldn't do that quest and be done with it). Like killing her or deceiving her.
The story of this game is greatly interwoven & some side quests either give great benefits to MC later down the line, opens up other arcs or are required to learn some skill or get something that will allow the main story to continue.

List of Girls who's Arcs give some bonus to MC:
Beth= Alternate use for Summoning Spell & Horse Seed.
Jenny= Shop Dsicount
Victoria= Own Your Home (no more rent), Weakly Rent gain & mayoral actions like placing guards to protect the western road.
Rosy= Inadventantly teaches Special Pastries.
Liandra & Luthien= Sacred Water & Moonflower garden.
Frida= garden for Potatos, Pumpkins & Carrots. Learn Phallus G potion.
Maghda= access to Cave Flowers "garden".
Shakala (all goblins)= Plunder Tribute (the bigger goblin population the more Tribute you gain).
Bat Breeder= Crystalized Eggs.
Venomins= Spider Eggs & unlocks Familiar.
Vampires= Opens up Oksana's arc. Vampire Blood potion.
Familiar= Orb Room.
 

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I think the "bug"(?) With Shakala should be fixed. You kill her, shes dead. End of (Her) story.

Also it's pretty obvious to anyone with a brain that killing the Goblin will mean u cant pursue anything with the Goblin. And stealing from the Dragon will probably lock off anything else with the dragon. If someone makes that choice & then goes "awww I wanted..." or "I dont wanna restart" then that's their bad. You either play from the earliest save before that or restart the game.

Same with the vamps as well, you kill them that's it. I dont think a warning is necessary.
I feel there should be a warning any time a choice would lock out content. The player can then confirm their choice. We seem to disagree on this, shall we move on? :)

IIRC defeating Master is required to unlock the quest Spread The Good Word, and there's an in-game way to reset the vampires for that.
 

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Beth= Alternate use for Summoning Spell & Horse Seed.

what is this ? I played the full game never seen anything like this .
 

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Beth= Alternate use for Summoning Spell & Horse Seed.

what is this ? I played the full game never seen anything like this .
That means "side quest" that open up or progress other quests. If you don't do Beth story (from peeping), then you will not be able to progress with some girls:
- You need the summoning spell to progress with Mia. Unless you don't want her.
- If I remember correctly, you also need the summoning spell for SD (Shakala daughter) progression.
- You need horse seed for PG potion. Beth is the only one who sell horse seed. Unless, you want to buy limited supply of potion from Edgar. You need the potion for Frida, Maghda, Hilde (?), Victoria/Erevi daughter threesome (?), Rosie (?),...
 

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Beth= Alternate use for Summoning Spell & Horse Seed.

what is this ? I played the full game never seen anything like this .
Well Summoning is the spell to SUMMON things. MC does it first time by Summoning a rat when learning the spell. But on the date he fucks up & turns into a centaur, shapeshifting essentially. From then on he uses its "alternate" use to shapeshift instead of Summoning things.
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And she sells MC horse seed from the moment he catches her with Samson the first time he helps in the Stable.
 
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That means "side quest" that open up or progress other quests. If you don't do Beth story (from peeping), then you will not be able to progress with some girls:
- You need the summoning spell to progress with Mia. Unless you don't want her.
- If I remember correctly, you also need the summoning spell for SD (Shakala daughter) progression.
- You need horse seed for PG potion. Beth is the only one who sell horse seed. Unless, you want to buy limited supply of potion from Edgar. You need the potion for Frida, Maghda, Hilde (?), Victoria/Erevi daughter threesome (?), Rosie (?),...

Yeah u need it to turn into a "tree" to spy on SD.

And in reply to you're (?) yes it is needed for Hilde & Rosy, when she is milking herself (y)
 

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Well Summoning is the spell to SUMMON things. MC does it first time by Summoning a rat when learning the spell. But on the date he fucks up & turns into a centaur, shapeshifting essentially. From then on he uses its "alternate" use to shapeshift instead of Summoning things.
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And she sells MC horse seed from the moment he catches her with Samson the first time he helps in the Stable.
Well you can already "summon up a distraction"
When you save Liandra in the Well from those Grumpkins MC can shapeshift into one of them in order to save Liandra... the echi way ;) :sneaky:
 

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Well you can already "summon up a distraction"
When you save Liandra in the Well from those Grumpkins MC can shapeshift into one of them in order to save Liandra... the echi way ;) :sneaky:
True but I ment kore like he summons a big monster to scare his enemies or some animal for the foes to chase. Heck even a rat to scare some pompous nobles lol.

(Could of saved so much money if MC just summoned a sheep for Dolf to chase...)
 

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True but I ment kore like he summons a big monster to scare his enemies or some animal for the foes to chase. Heck even a rat to scare some pompous nobles lol.

(Could of saved so much money if MC just summoned a sheep for Dolf to chase...)
Impossible... when we learned the Magic Erevy told the MC that he lacks the Mana to properly pull the skill off (putting aside Magic affinity and skill over all)... any activation is a form of miracle itself and is always bound to go off randomly with strange side effects... and that is what happened all the time.
Like you said it's a summoning spell, but each time MC uses it he more or less randomely transforms for a set ammount of time
 

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Impossible... when we learned the Magic Erevy told the MC that he lacks the Mana to properly pull the skill off (putting aside Magic affinity and skill over all)... any activation is a form of miracle itself and is always bound to go off randomly with strange side effects... and that is what happened all the time.
Like you said it's a summoning spell, but each time MC uses it he more or less randomely transforms for a set ammount of time
But he dosent randomly transform. Apart from accidentally turning into a centaur on Beth's 1st date, the weird hairy man (when trying to be a werewolf) mix up with Mia & the (optional) Troll debacle during Succubus' play, he actually becomes exactly what he sets out to be everytime he chooses a form to transform into. Also after so many times successfully transforming & leveling his skills I feel he would be able to start at least summoning small to medium sized creatures without issue (also it wasnt mana he lacked, it was basic skill).


•He wants to become an exact copy of Baldur the wolf? He does. (And if u pick No-Cuck: he has no issue becoming a "werewolf")
•After the 1st date, he chooses to be a centaur for Beth.
•He makes a plan to be a Grumpkin. He becomes one.
•He wants to spy on GD? He becomes a "tree".
•Consentrate hard enough he becomes a frog.

(I may be forgetting some lol)

But yeah I wouldnt say it's impossible.
 

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But he dosent randomly transform. Apart from accidentally turning into a centaur on Beth's 1st date, the weird hairy man (when trying to be a werewolf) mix up with Mia & the (optional) Troll debacle during Succubus' play, he actually becomes exactly what he sets out to be everytime he chooses a form to transform into. Also after so many times successfully transforming & leveling his skills I feel he would be able to start at least summoning small to medium sized creatures without issue (also it wasnt mana he lacked, it was basic skill).
That's quiet optimistical... aside from the Grumpkin and the direwolf trasformation (whom are smaller/less in overall sizes than his normal form).
He only ever managed to roughly get close to his intended form.
Erevi made it pretty clear that MC simply lacks the capacity to ever master this skill and should always expect some dangerous outcome (similiar as she warned him about the rod of duplications the MC is not listening to her though).
He only ever transformed... instead of opening a gate toa different plane of existince and pulling through and enslaveing a being to his will... he may gain more controll over the transformative aspect, but I doubt it would ever turn into something useful like a combat skill.
putting an ingame logic aside this would be problematic to implement in a sandbox game... let's assume the Player leaves Mia's story as the last thing they make... if we assumed MC mastered the transformation spell Tinkerer would either have to rewrite the story and includeing variables to trck that progress or it would imertion breaking as he fucks up that transformation.
•He wants to become an exact copy of Baldur the wolf? He does. (And if u pick No-Cuck: he has no issue becoming a "werewolf")
•He makes a plan to be a Grumpkin. He becomes one.
One of the random successes he always seem to have ... like I said it's also only ever truely succesful when turning into something smaller than a human. It's playing roulet with magic... highly illadviced in any lore.
•After the 1st date, he chooses to be a centaur for Beth.
Hew chooses to summon a horse and becomes a centaur... makeing duo with the fuckup he ends up with is one of the MCs strong points though.
•He wants to spy on GD? He becomes a "tree".
He wats to hide and randomly seem to turn into a dryad/treant... lucky accident right here again.
•Consentrate hard enough he becomes a frog.
I am pretty sure that the Succubus helped to some capacity here... after all she is truely gifted in that regard.
 
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That's quiet optimistical... aside from the Grumpkin and the direwolf trasformation (whom are smaller/less in overall sizes than his normal form).
He only ever managed to roughly get close to his intended form.
Erevi made it pretty clear that MC simply lacks the capacity to ever master this skill and should always expect some dangerous outcome (similiar as she warned him about the rod of duplications the MC is not listening to her though).
He only ever transformed... instead of opening a gate toa different plane of existince and pulling through and enslaveing a being to his will... he may gain more controll over the transformative aspect, but I doubt it would ever turn into something useful like a combat skill.
putting an ingame logic aside this would be problematic to implement in a sandbox game... let's assume the Player leaves Mia's story as the last thing they make... if we assumed MC mastered the transformation spell Tinkerer would either have to rewrite the story and includeing variables to trck that progress or it would imertion breaking as he fucks up that transformation.


One of the random successes he always seem to have ... like I said it's also only ever truely succesful when turning into something smaller than a human. It's playing roulet with magic... highly illadviced in any lore.

Hew chooses to summon a horse and becomes a centaur... makeing duo with the fuckup he ends up with is one of the MCs strong points though.

He wats to hide and randomly seem to turn into a dryad/treant... lucky accident right here again.

I am pretty sure that the Succubus helped to some capacity here... after all she is truely gifted in that regard.
Ok mabey he wont use the spell for its actual use but I still think hes getting better with it.
 
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Ok mabey he wont use the spell for its actual use but I still think hes getting better with it.
I think he only managed to adept to the misshaps useing that skill does.
He is kinda resourcefull when the matter is resolveing around him getting his dick wet
 
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Btw , here other question , the army of kids are useful for something or are like a nft?
I'm waiting for a toy store to open so I can buy the kids some toys, I feel guilty every time they ask me. ;)
A dagger as a kiddies present doesn't seem appropriate.
And why doesn't Jenny's store sell sweeties?.
 

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And why doesn't Jenny's store sell sweeties?.
Where should she get them from?
We haven't seen a confiteur in the world either... and given that in the middle ages only nobility knew this Luxus we might never know.
 
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