People who like futa on male are gay?

[Jaike]

honestly, i dont understand why you put those pictures to prove its gay eventhough its not, if a person have only vagnia then that is women

Because the people in the first 3 images are in porn that's marketed as gay and they identify as men though they were born in a female body.

My experience is that trans men mostly appeal to people who're usually attracted to men. I don't have good reliable studies for that, tho, so it's just personal experience. But if it works differently for you, more power to you.

There's also the thing that gay is defined in dictionaries as attracted to the same sex.

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You don't see a dictionary that defines it in any way as just attracted to dick. This suggests that the opinion that is dick is what makes something gay is very unusual.

bro just straight up body and face shaming at this point

Where the hell do you see me body shaming or face shaming? I haven't even hinted anyone in those is ugly. And not a "bro".

 

[QQP_Purple]

so if a guy gets a finger in his ass by woman is he gay now?

He is performing a gay act. That does not make him gay but it does for lack of a better analogy for you young people who are into vidio games add gay points to his meter. It's not a super good analogy as the meter is not something you move by behavior but something that reveals your inner self. But you get the idea. Or maybe not. It's not a great analogy but it's late on a saturday night ad I've been celebrating the birth of the weekend since this morning so you'll just have to accept it.

 

[therealmrwolf]

He is performing a gay act. That does not make him gay but it does for lack of a better analogy for you young people who are into vidio games add gay points to his meter. It's not a super good analogy as the meter is not something you move by behavior but something that reveals your inner self. But you get the idea. Or maybe not. It's not a great analogy but it's late on a saturday night ad I've been celebrating the birth of the weekend since this morning so you'll just have to accept it.

gay means sexually or romantically attracted to people of one's own sex so no getting finger in your ass by woman can never be gay also how is it a gay act cos again its a woman

 

[King3312]

Because the people in the first 3 images are in porn that's marketed as gay and they identify as men though they were born in a female body

then you are misunderstood between sex and gender, they identify as men which they identify their gender not sex

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[Jaike]

then you are misunderstood between sex and gender, they identify as men which they identify their gender not sex

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Wrong, they themselves see that kind of gender affirmative care as sex change surgery. The point is to bring their sex in line with their gender.

I know the difference between the sex and gender pretty well, I don't need an explainer.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

I know the difference between the sex and gender pretty well, I don't need an explainer.

There ever was a difference? Damn, wild shit...
My opinion regarding all this gender/sex bullshittery is basically:

 

[QQP_Purple]

There ever was a difference? Damn, wild shit...
My opinion regarding all this gender/sex bullshittery is basically:

I concur. It's all just extremely bullshit. The whole identity politics thing is basically people thinking that if choosing to claim something is real makes it real. Or rather, that if you claim something is real everyone has to act as if it is real in spite of reality.

Just because I run around the street with my arms outstretched making engine noises does not mean I am an airplane. And it's especially annoying because you can see just how easy it gets coopted by special interest groups that have a special interest in keeping the working classes divided so that we do not unite against our common enemy.

But I do think we have gotten away from the fundamental point of this thread now. So perhaps we should conclude it here.

 

[QQP_Purple]

Mind you, just to be clear. I have no problem with men turning into women and vice versa if they want to. We have the surgical means to do it these days. And everyone who has the desire to do so is more than welcome to partake in them as far as I am concerned. But don't not do it and ask us all to pretend you did.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

So perhaps we should conclude it here.

I wouldn't worry about it, this thread gone to shit since like 10 pages ago.

 

[Buddawg]

What studies? Can you provide some links?

No I cant provide links. But yeah.. they are available on both youtube and google. Seen both from having this exact argument before.
If you wanna learn, then learn to use google. Its not really that hard. Its how I found them.

 

[QQP_Purple]

No I cant provide links. But yeah.. they are available on both youtube and google. Seen both from having this exact argument before.
If you wanna learn, then learn to use google. Its not really that hard. Its how I found them.

It is generally upon the one making a claim to provide his sources and not for the one investigating the claim.

 

[Buddawg]

It is generally upon the one making a claim to provide his sources and not for the one investigating the claim.

No its not. Its a claim. Not a thesis.
You wanna take part in the discussion, you counterclaim and or provide proof. And THEN ask for sources if a)he still wants to argue against your sources or b)you cannot find anything substaining his claim and is genuinely interested in the discussion.

Or you just go the lazy route and ask for sources straight out, having 0 intentions of reading them., or counter claiming. You just wanna ignore the argument if no sources gets provided.

 

[Buddawg]

It is generally upon the one making a claim to provide his sources and not for the one investigating the claim.

This was an extremely fast search at wikipedia fx:
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men attracted to transgender women primarily identify as

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and sometimes as

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, but rarely as

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Next study:

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Its really easy to find. So to straight up ask for sources is damn retarded as its only a search away.
Next study:
"The study found that the largest audience for "shemale" - male-to-female transexual - porn was heterosexual men."

 

[therealmrwolf]

It is generally upon the one making a claim to provide his sources and not for the one investigating the claim.

gay means sexually or romantically attracted to people of one's own sex so no getting finger in your ass by woman can never be gay also how is it a gay act cos again its a woman

 

[Icarus Media]

I concur. It's all just extremely bullshit. The whole identity politics thing is basically people thinking that if choosing to claim something is real makes it real. Or rather, that if you claim something is real everyone has to act as if it is real in spite of reality.

Just because I run around the street with my arms outstretched making engine noises does not mean I am an airplane. And it's especially annoying because you can see just how easy it gets coopted by special interest groups that have a special interest in keeping the working classes divided so that we do not unite against our common enemy.

But I do think we have gotten away from the fundamental point of this thread now. So perhaps we should conclude it here.

 

[Jaike]

There ever was a difference? Damn, wild shit...
My opinion regarding all this gender/sex bullshittery is basically:
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Maybe you could ask King3312 to tutor you?

I concur. It's all just extremely bullshit. The whole identity politics thing is basically people thinking that if choosing to claim something is real makes it real. Or rather, that if you claim something is real everyone has to act as if it is real in spite of reality.

Just because I run around the street with my arms outstretched making engine noises does not mean I am an airplane. And it's especially annoying because you can see just how easy it gets coopted by special interest groups that have a special interest in keeping the working classes divided so that we do not unite against our common enemy.

But I do think we have gotten away from the fundamental point of this thread now. So perhaps we should conclude it here.

So medical specialists across the world are just into extreme bullshit?

But I agree it's going to a different subject. That's on me for posting those photos, but I think they helped make the discussion a bit less handwavy.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

Maybe you could ask King3312 to tutor you?

Nah, don't give a shit about it enough to learn.

 

[HDiddy]

This was an extremely fast search at wikipedia fx:
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men attracted to transgender women primarily identify as

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and sometimes as

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, but rarely as

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,"
Next study:

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Its really easy to find. So to straight up ask for sources is damn retarded as its only a search away.
Next study:
"The study found that the largest audience for "shemale" - male-to-female transexual - porn was heterosexual men."

Hmmm....

You said....

There is a reason why studies show, that its dominantly straight males who enjoy depictions of futa and transgendered. And in the lowest brackets of enjoyers, the gays.

SO my assumption is that you already know of these studies that exist. Wait, I thought you already knew about these studies. Why did you need to do a Google search? And then...of your great Googling skills, only to provide...this....

This was an extremely fast search at wikipedia fx:
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men attracted to transgender women primarily identify as

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and sometimes as

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, but rarely as

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,"

The above is not a study. It is a Wikipedia article, that is defining what Cisgender means. 1) It is not a study or anything close to one 2) There is nothing there that backs up your premise of "...dominantly straight males who enjoy depictions of futa and transgendered..." as the statement is referring to Cisgender which describes Gender identity. Are you saying Gender Identity directly corresponds to sexual preference? Gay, Straight, or otherwise?

Next study:

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Its really easy to find. So to straight up ask for sources is damn retarded as its only a search away.
Next study:
"The study found that the largest audience for "shemale" - male-to-female transexual - porn was heterosexual men."

This is not even a study....it is an article from 2016, that..backs up some of what you are saying, but barely. First off the statement off the back is based on stats from an single paid adult site, Adult empire. Are you saying that we should generalize that statement across all areas based on a single paid site? Are those numbers still the same now almost 10 years later? What is the breakdown between Gay Men vs Hetero Men? Is it 60/40, 70/30. 80/20? Redtube said the majority of trans searchs where done by men in 2013. Ok....that's a long time ago, but should we be generalizing based on a single site? Do we know if those men were gay or straight?

The thing is simple....you basically provided an Wiki article and a news article (that has been removed from the site and is no longer available) top prove your point. Studies? Come on now...you can find anything on the internet to prove your point. Let's not act like there is academic research and scholarly articles on this topic which conducted unbias studies.

"Studies"

 

[HDiddy]

No its not. Its a claim. Not a thesis.
You wanna take part in the discussion, you counterclaim and or provide proof. And THEN ask for sources if a)he still wants to argue against your sources or b)you cannot find anything substaining his claim and is genuinely interested in the discussion.

Or you just go the lazy route and ask for sources straight out, having 0 intentions of reading them., or counter claiming. You just wanna ignore the argument if no sources gets provided.

I should have responded to this first...

Yes it is a claim. A claim that you are throwing out there as a perceivable fact. And like in any debate, the person that throws out the claim usually backs it up with evidence....something I like to call "receipts," that allows that claim to be debated on its own merits. How can one counterclaim something in which you have not provided evidence of its existence?

The problem is the fallacy of insufficient evidence as you are making generalizations without really having or showing proper evidence to make a claim. It is what for those familiar with debate like to call "Hasty Generalizations"

It is why even in the US legal system the burden of proof is on the individual stating the claim.

 

[Buddawg]

I should have responded to this first...

Yes it is a claim. A claim that you are throwing out there as a perceivable fact. And like in any debate, the person that throws out the claim usually backs it up with evidence....something I like to call "receipts," that allows that claim to be debated on its own merits. How can one counterclaim something in which you have not provided evidence of its existence?

The problem is the fallacy of insufficient evidence as you are making generalizations without really having or showing proper evidence to make a claim. It is what for those familiar with debate like to call "Hasty Generalizations"

It is why even in the US legal system the burden of proof is on the individual stating the claim.

A counter claim would work like this "no its not, its...."
And NO... when you postulate a claim, you do NOT HAVE to prove it. Its an absolutely mess of a shitshow troll way to think.
A claim is NOT a fact.
Regardless of that breach of standard debate to ask for sources as the first thing. Its always and every single time, if its the first that is asked, never read. Its a way to ignore any and all arguments (like the trolling it is) to ask for source on a claim, without taking part in any debate. Its literally cutting out the fucking debate, because if there is decent sourcing the entire debate is a non-issue.
So yes... its never a must to substain a claim with information. Its a fecking claim.
Fuck how US legal system works, this is a debate not a court.
Its impolite as fuck to ask for source in a debate without parttaking in the debate.