Ren'Py Perfect Timing [v0.01] [Big Socks]

[Big Socks]

How about some sleep sex?

I've personally never been into that kind of thing but I'll definitely consider it. What's more preferred, MC sleeping or LI sleeping?

 

[Bingoogus]

NTR is a possibility but we'll see.

Please elaborate on what you mean by this, what kinds of content do you imagine?

Played it, great start, dude is haaaaairy though... girls are cute af, brother is excellent trap material... not keen on the degrading sex talk in the shower scene, calling that cute as a button sister a whore felt... bleh... can't wait for more, good job Dev-kun.

I've personally never been into that kind of thing but I'll definitely consider it. What's more preferred, MC sleeping or LI sleeping?

Both for me, personally, somnophilia is hot in both directions...

 

[yoyomistro]

I've personally never been into that kind of thing but I'll definitely consider it. What's more preferred, MC sleeping or LI sleeping?

Definitely LI sleeping. I prefer the creeper kind, but some people do it where the parties agree to it beforehand and make it a shared fetish. Sleeper creeper definitely gets the blood boiling more, especially if there's a risk the person will get upset if the MC is caught. That's just my bag, though =P.

Both for me, personally, somnophilia is hot in both directions...

It is hot in both directions, but usually when devs make the MC on the receiving end, they either just have them waking up and being OK with it, or not enough creeper factor on the LI doing it.

 

[Engulfed]

However, life takes an unexpected turn when you are compelled to return to your hometown due to unforeseen circumstances.

Gosh, what an astonishingly original tagline for a game. Certainly not one we've seen literally hundreds of times before, no siree.

 

[yoyomistro]

However, life takes an unexpected turn when you are compelled to return to your hometown due to unforeseen circumstances.

Gosh, what an astonishingly original tagline for a game. Certainly not one we've seen literally hundreds of times before, no siree.

If it aint broke, don't fix it. Time-tested incest setup for an MC that isn't in grade-school.

 

[Big Socks]

Please elaborate on what you mean by this, what kinds of content do you imagine?

Played it, great start, dude is haaaaairy though... girls are cute af, brother is excellent trap material... not keen on the degrading sex talk in the shower scene, calling that cute as a button sister a whore felt... bleh... can't wait for more, good job Dev-kun.

Both for me, personally, somnophilia is hot in both directions...

We'll see how the community feels about NTR with upcoming characters. Most likely something like NTRS or sharing. But definitely not a guarantee. Don't want to spoil too much, but I plan on introducing some likeable male characters in a few updates.

I felt the same way about the shower scene... Thanks for the feedback. The dialogue there will be changed in v.02.

 

[Bingoogus]

We'll see how the community feels about NTR with upcoming characters. Most likely something like NTRS or sharing. But definitely not a guarantee. Don't want to spoil too much, but I plan on introducing some likeable male characters in a few updates.

You'll lose a lot of people with any sharing content. Personally i am cool with it so long as they are good guys, preferably close bros with the MC and they share their women too, a very free-love with respect and openness mindset... take any of those things away and it starts to feel more like getting cucked in a classic netorare situation which is not my cup of tea. That's just me though, i liked the sharing content in Solvalley High and one of my favorite series is the NSFW/Masters of the Ring/Masters of the Island series.

 

[Big Socks]

You'll lose a lot of people with any sharing content. Personally i am cool with it so long as they are good guys, preferably close bros with the MC and they share their women too, a very free-love with respect and openness mindset... take any of those things away and it starts to feel more like getting cucked in a classic netorare situation which is not my cup of tea. That's just me though, i liked the sharing content in Solvalley High and one of my favorite series is the NSFW/Masters of the Ring/Masters of the Island series.

Makes sense. The first character that pops into my mind is the black dude from DmD. Can't remember the name. But it was all optional. Optional scenes seem tough though, cuz that's a lot of work if they get skipped. But I've gotten pretty fast with KKS. Still need to learn Ren'Py programming for things like choices but it'll come.

Thanks for the feedback. Greatly appreciated.

 

[Big Socks]

Definitely LI sleeping. I prefer the creeper kind, but some people do it where the parties agree to it beforehand and make it a shared fetish. Sleeper creeper definitely gets the blood boiling more, especially if there's a risk the person will get upset if the MC is caught. That's just my bag, though =P.

It is hot in both directions, but usually when devs make the MC on the receiving end, they either just have them waking up and being OK with it, or not enough creeper factor on the LI doing it.

Got it. Will remember that. Thanks.

 

[Bingoogus]

Makes sense. The first character that pops into my mind is the black dude from DmD. Can't remember the name. But it was all optional. Optional scenes seem tough though, cuz that's a lot of work if they get skipped. But I've gotten pretty fast with KKS. Still need to learn Ren'Py programming for things like choices but it'll come.

Thanks for the feedback. Greatly appreciated.

Yeah, optional content really does multiply the workload and you can quickly get yourself stuck in a situation where updates slow to a crawl cause you've got to make so many variants... it can be hard to keep the optional content off to the side, it has a way of finding gaps in writing that can cause issues... also, if you have any reservations about how to actually go about it, can i just say, unfortunately, racial stuff is a massive damage multiplier for the militant anti-NTR crowd, soon as you bring in a BBC they come out like crazy... so if you want to minimize the response, stick to the same race as the MC and as this is an incest game, the family... it sucks but there's just no getting around it, shit is too ingrained to try and push back against for a smut game.

 

[Big Socks]

Yeah, optional content really does multiply the workload and you can quickly get yourself stuck in a situation where updates slow to a crawl cause you've got to make so many variants... it can be hard to keep the optional content off to the side, it has a way of finding gaps in writing that can cause issues... also, if you have any reservations about how to actually go about it, can i just say, unfortunately, racial stuff is a massive damage multiplier for the militant anti-NTR crowd, soon as you bring in a BBC they come out like crazy... so if you want to minimize the response, stick to the same race as the MC and as this is an incest game, the family... it sucks but there's just no getting around it, shit is too ingrained to try and push back against for a smut game.

Lol exactly! That's why MC is stacked. He'll definitely have the biggest dick in the game. Either way, he'll be the only male character (besides traps) for several updates. You're going to love the traps, too. There's not nearly enough games out there with good traps from KKS (which is a visual style i like a lot), so I figured I'll have to do it my damn self XD.

 

[Bingoogus]

You're going to love the traps, too. There's not nearly enough games out there with good traps from KKS (which is a visual style i like a lot), so I figured I'll have to do it my damn self XD.

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[xmilteach]

thx

 

[TsubameYui]

We'll see how the community feels about NTR with upcoming characters. Most likely something like NTRS or sharing. But definitely not a guarantee. Don't want to spoil too much, but I plan on introducing some likeable male characters in a few updates.

I felt the same way about the shower scene... Thanks for the feedback. The dialogue there will be changed in v.02.

So, I want to start by reiterating how much I *love* the prologue. Unfortunately, NTR/S is usually an automatic dealbreaker for me. If it's a side girl with a completely avoidable one-off scene, I might be able to overlook it. However, if it's going to be a recurring thing, or a main LI, it's just too likely to end up bleeding through, and will eat up too much development time.

As someone else mentioned, family is sacred, so I highly recommend avoiding any controversial content with any family members. I also suggest making a firm decision on whether you intend to include NTR/S content ASAP. The prologue is clearly aimed at the harem/incest playerbase, and a large percentage of that playerbase is vehemently anti-NTR/S. If you end up adding that content, after multiple updates focusing on harem/incest, you're going to rapidly lose a lot of support from players that will feel betrayed.

Basically, if you're passionate about including NTR/S content, then go for it. It's your game, and you should absolutely make the game you want to play. If you're just considering adding it to try to appeal to a larger audience, you'll find that it always has the opposite effect. Many devs have attempted to combine harem and NTR in the past, it never ends well. There is basically zero overlap between harem and NTR/S fans. Harem fans always complain that the NTR/S takes too much development time from the harem content, and the NTR/S fans always complain that there isn't enough focus on that content.

Just remember that transparency and honestly are paramount when it comes to AVN development. As long as you let people know up-front what to expect, you'll find the fans for your game. Being vague, misleading, or outright dishonest about it will result in the fans not showing up (because they won't know if your game is for them) or leaving when they run, unexpectedly, into content they don't like.

One last thing, for me personally, I generally prefer not having the "male friend" characters thrown in. "Likeable" is *highly* subjective and almost never applies to non-MC male characters in harem games. I can think of about 200 games that have them, and only about 2 or 3 that have done it well. They usually end up being either really cringy/creepy, just downright annoying, or just a hollow excuse for devs to toss in MMF scenes that 95% of players won't even see.

 

[Big Socks]

So, I want to start by reiterating how much I *love* the prologue. Unfortunately, NTR/S is usually an automatic dealbreaker for me. If it's a side girl with a completely avoidable one-off scene, I might be able to overlook it. However, if it's going to be a recurring thing, or a main LI, it's just too likely to end up bleeding through, and will eat up too much development time.

As someone else mentioned, family is sacred, so I highly recommend avoiding any controversial content with any family members. I also suggest making a firm decision on whether you intend to include NTR/S content ASAP. The prologue is clearly aimed at the harem/incest playerbase, and a large percentage of that playerbase is vehemently anti-NTR/S. If you end up adding that content, after multiple updates focusing on harem/incest, you're going to rapidly lose a lot of support from players that will feel betrayed.

Basically, if you're passionate about including NTR/S content, then go for it. It's your game, and you should absolutely make the game you want to play. If you're just considering adding it to try to appeal to a larger audience, you'll find that it always has the opposite effect. Many devs have attempted to combine harem and NTR in the past, it never ends well. There is basically zero overlap between harem and NTR/S fans. Harem fans always complain that the NTR/S takes too much development time from the harem content, and the NTR/S fans always complain that there isn't enough focus on that content.

Just remember that transparency and honestly are paramount when it comes to AVN development. As long as you let people know up-front what to expect, you'll find the fans for your game. Being vague, misleading, or outright dishonest about it will result in the fans not showing up (because they won't know if your game is for them) or leaving when they run, unexpectedly, into content they don't like.

One last thing, for me personally, I generally prefer not having the "male friend" characters thrown in. "Likeable" is *highly* subjective and almost never applies to non-MC male characters in harem games. I can think of about 200 games that have them, and only about 2 or 3 that have done it well. They usually end up being either really cringy/creepy, just downright annoying, or just a hollow excuse for devs to toss in MMF scenes that 95% of players won't even see.

Thanks for the feedback! I'm glad you enjoyed v.01. Good to know that most people don't have an overlap in tastes. I personally do have an overlap between Harem & NTR/S content, but like you said, it has to be done well. I haven't made any plans for NTR/S content in this project. Especially not with the family members. For now, and in the foreseeable future, NTR/S content is off the table. While it's not impossible, it will NEVER be a main theme of this game. I think it'd be interesting to see the dad get some sharing action, as that is almost never done in VNs, at least the ones that I've played, and that's a long list haha.

 

[Bingoogus]

I think it'd be interesting to see the dad get some sharing action, as that is almost never done in VNs, at least the ones that I've played, and that's a long list haha.

Gonna pipe in and say that sounds like great content. That being said, you will still have plenty of people bitching about even that, even keeping it in the family is still too much for the militant Anti-NTR/Anti-NTS crowd... so to go back to Yui's point, it's best to commit one way or the other and publicly say so, and then stick to it... these crowds tend to start multi-page arguments if the dev isn't firmly stated to be one way or the other, they'll take your indecision as opportunity to bend the discourse their way, towards their kink... and the other side will attempt the same... it's not good for the health of a thread and so it's not healthy for a new game either...

 

[TsubameYui]

I think it'd be interesting to see the dad get some sharing action, as that is almost never done in VNs, at least the ones that I've played, and that's a long list haha.

I figured the dad was about to be sentenced to 20 years in prison to make MC's mom available. Props on not just killing off another AVN dad, by the way. Any scenario where dad comes home and MC can still have his family harem seems pretty far-fetched, but maybe you could just throw in a B story that follows him in prison banging a bunch of trap inmates.

On a slightly related note, I noticed a minor technical error. At the very start, dad is calling from "state penitentiary" which would be a prison, not a jail, and people are only sent there after being convicted of, and sentenced for, a crime. Since dad was only arrested and not yet convicted, he would still be at a police station, or a jail, while awaiting trial or a bail hearing.

 

[Big Socks]

I figured the dad was about to be sentenced to 20 years in prison to make MC's mom available. Props on not just killing off another AVN dad, by the way. Any scenario where dad comes home and MC can still have his family harem seems pretty far-fetched, but maybe you could just throw in a B story that follows him in prison banging a bunch of trap inmates.

On a slightly related note, I noticed a minor technical error. At the very start, dad is calling from "state penitentiary" which would be a prison, not a jail, and people are only sent there after being convicted of, and sentenced for, a crime. Since dad was only arrested and not yet convicted, he would still be at a police station, or a jail, while awaiting trial or a bail hearing.

Perfect. Thanks for that. I'll change it to 'County Jail' or something.

 

[garyH]

Thanks for the feedback! I'm glad you enjoyed v.01. Good to know that most people don't have an overlap in tastes. I personally do have an overlap between Harem & NTR/S content, but like you said, it has to be done well. I haven't made any plans for NTR/S content in this project. Especially not with the family members. For now, and in the foreseeable future, NTR/S content is off the table. While it's not impossible, it will NEVER be a main theme of this game. I think it'd be interesting to see the dad get some sharing action, as that is almost never done in VNs, at least the ones that I've played, and that's a long list haha.

I would strongly recommend making any sort of ntr/nts content completely optional if you do intend to add it, as in it doesn't happen at all if the player chooses to avoid it. You'll still lose many of the anti-ntr crowd, but there are still many who hate ntr/nts content, like myself, that will still try the game if it's optional.

If you feel making it optional is too much work, and still intend to add it, I would recommend making it clear to people well ahead of time that it will be added and won't be avoidable. There will still be some that bitch about it, but it might help mitigate a little of the shitstorm that will follow.

At the end of the day, it's your game, make it the way you want.

 

[olaf_yaddax]

Good luck