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You are absolutely right.
Netorare stories are the ones where the MC's SO/love interest will be stolen by a rival. The MC will be dumped by his SO or rejected by his crush while being brutally humiliated in the process.

Cuckolding, sharing and other variants are not Netorare.

People who feel aroused portraying themselves as the cheated MC are emotional maoschistics and you'll never understand this if you're not. A gf/wife/fiancee fucking another man is one of the greatest humiliations a man can go through in our society. Feeling pleasure from being humiliated os not necessarily unhealthy if the other (more important) aspects of your life are good. Any kink will bring you problems of you don't take care of yourself or if you are an unbanlaced person.
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I changed my response because I don't think there is any way to discuss this without someone taking it as "shaming".

Lets just say I disagree for various reasons.
 
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Fitharia

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The only thing I would disagree with here is how you are depicting the MC in general.

Netorare does not imply he is oblivious or that he is a pathetic loser, that is how some writers, more specifically western ones often portrait the MC and I think it is often due to the fact that writing the MC this way is much easier as the "obliviousness" of the MC makes all encounters extremely easy to setup and pass off. Also, framing the MC as a "pathetic loser" works better for the story if the intent is to push a more "Netori" angle (ie the FMC/Antagonist are the heroes) in the Netorare story.

I think that is the biggest complaint for people seeking honest Netorare stories because there isn't a honest emotional connection with the MC due to the need to make them an idiot and constantly justify the cheating being done on him by portraying him as a "loser". That is definitely more of a story focus of Netori on the targets of the steal to frame the them as a cuck.
I know what you mean there are several NTR games where the mc isn't oblivious, but japan where these terms found its birth, almost every game they make the mc is pretty much oblivious, all the asian games with ntr i played were like that. Not really my kind of ntr either, i rather have those where the mc got some brains and doesn't act like some idiot who sees good in everything their gf does even if it fucked by his rival.
 
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I know what you mean there are several NTR games where the mc isn't oblivious, but japan where these terms found its birth, almost every game they make the mc is pretty much oblivious, all the asian games with ntr i played were like that. Not really my kind of ntr either, i rather have those where the mc got some brains and doesn't act like some idiot who sees good in everything their gf does even if it fucked by his rival.
To an extent, yes.. as I said, it makes the writing much easier. Imagine how much work is needed to write an MC who is observant, reasons well, and isn't fooled as easily. It would then require the writer to properly setup situations with more detail and reasoning. There would have to be false positives where it "appears" like she was cheating, but it was a circumstance that was a coincidence.

I saw one game where the writer had the FMCs friend taunt the MC, taking a picture of what appeared to be the FMC kneeling in a bathroom stall giving a blow job to someone. From the picture, you could see the shoes/shorts which appeared to be what the FMC was wearing. Later though, the FMC communicates to the MC that there was another girl who was her "twin" in the clothes she was wearing and she took a picture of them together laughing at how funny it was. Upon closer look of the pictures, you could tell that it wasn't the FMC due to the shade of the shorts and slightly different shoes.

This is an intelligent misdirection concept in the story, it builds the anxiety of the MC, but it is a false positive. Problem is, this requires more effort and most writers will opt for the "MC is dumb" because it is easier to just explain away some obvious incident, which I would argue for many western games is a means to push the Netori concept of the Netorare (ie Cuck = loser, FMC/Antagonist = Hero).
 
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StrongEpsilon

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I guess, that would be more my "perception" of the issue rather than getting into the technicalities of classifying it as you may be doing.

Personally, I see the concept of having your love be with another be it active or passive as still a form of cucking... but again, just my perception.
I respect your "perception", I'm not commenting on it, I just gave my opinion. And it's a practical one, not a technical one. There's nothing technical about what I said. A swinger is an active type, every time. While so-called "cucking" is only passive.
 

RSnark

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Noticed a dialogue error on version 0.12:
"She's playing it cool, but I can tell LisaHack's a bit nervous.",
"I wonder what LisaHack's expecting from today..."

Presume it should be just "Lisa" on both these instances

EDIT: Also, I noticed the following weren't unlocking in Gallery -- F562, F565, F570, F571, F586, F587
Looking at the script, they look to be within Lisa-Kira convos that look like they *should* have occurred during my playthrough (not BOB condition, just like any other Lisa hacked convo); but for some reason haven't. Is there a bug?
 
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I respect your "perception", I'm not commenting on it, I just gave my opinion. And it's a practical one, not a technical one. There's nothing technical about what I said. A swinger is an active type, every time. While so-called "cucking" is only passive.
So, does the "swinger" enjoy seeing their wife with another person, even though it is active participation? Does that swinger get aroused by the fact that their wife is having sex with another person?

Isn't the basis of a cuckold someone who gets aroused at the sight of their partner being with someone else regardless if it is passive or active? Maybe the definitions out there are wrong, but the stipulation on the definition is that of "being aroused by the act of the partner being with another".

Well, now I am getting technical I guess.
 

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In this update, all three branches have content
Saw the post asking for feedback. This isn't one of the games I back on Patreon because the content is so, so SLOW. 13 updates, and depending on your route you have MAYBE 3 blowjobs. MAYBE. No consistency with characters, bouncing all over the place, etc.
Like, Karl is apparently satisfied for multiple in game days or even weeks (hard t get a solid grasp on time) with the one blowjob? Either he is blackmailing Lisa, or got her to voluntarily suck him off. Either way he was not gentle and tentative. But he... never does anything else? Not another blowjob, no groping, NOTHING? No escalation? Lisa doesn't do anything otherwise. There is literally like zero penis in vagina or ass. Of MC and Lisa, or anyone else.
While likeable enough, this is the porn game equivalent of elevator music.
 

La Dani

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Taptus I tried everything: different download sources, unzip with 7zip, reebot of windows...
If I attach the save file, can you try if in your game it loads ?

" I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.
While running game code:
Exception: Couldn't find a place to stop rolling back. Perhaps the script changed in an incompatible way?"
 

Cityoftree

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I experienced a bug after updating to version V0.12. After the update, when I loaded my latest save, I was taken back to the beginning of the story, but my status remained the same as in my last save.
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Dodz1984

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To an extent, yes.. as I said, it makes the writing much easier. Imagine how much work is needed to write an MC who is observant, reasons well, and isn't fooled as easily. It would then require the writer to properly setup situations with more detail and reasoning. There would have to be false positives where it "appears" like she was cheating, but it was a circumstance that was a coincidence.

I saw one game where the writer had the FMCs friend taunt the MC, taking a picture of what appeared to be the FMC kneeling in a bathroom stall giving a blow job to someone. From the picture, you could see the shoes/shorts which appeared to be what the FMC was wearing. Later though, the FMC communicates to the MC that there was another girl who was her "twin" in the clothes she was wearing and she took a picture of them together laughing at how funny it was. Upon closer look of the pictures, you could tell that it wasn't the FMC due to the shade of the shorts and slightly different shoes.

This is an intelligent misdirection concept in the story, it builds the anxiety of the MC, but it is a false positive. Problem is, this requires more effort and most writers will opt for the "MC is dumb" because it is easier to just explain away some obvious incident, which I would argue for many western games is a means to push the Netori concept of the Netorare (ie Cuck = loser, FMC/Antagonist = Hero).
The bathroom stall blowjob scene is from Phone Story, the game of this exact thread
 

Dodz1984

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Edit:

I changed my response because I don't think there is any way to discuss this without someone taking it as "shaming".

Lets just say I disagree for various reasons.
Anything can be discussed if the people discussing are not disrespectfull AND are capable of not taking a different opinion as an insult, and I totally understand why you wouldn't want to post some opinions since some people are really butthurt and can't deal with the contraditory.
 

trogdorr

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is there a fanart section for this game?... I was scrolling through the previous pages but couldn't find anything..
 

Dodz1984

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Noticed a dialogue error on version 0.12:
"She's playing it cool, but I can tell LisaHack's a bit nervous.",
"I wonder what LisaHack's expecting from today..."

Presume it should be just "Lisa" on both these instances

EDIT: Also, I noticed the following weren't unlocking in Gallery -- F562, F565, F570, F571, F586, F587
Looking at the script, they look to be within Lisa-Kira convos that look like they *should* have occurred during my playthrough (not BOB condition, just like any other Lisa hacked convo); but for some reason haven't. Is there a bug?
I just read this, and I was able to unlock F562, 586 and 587, but 565, 570 and 571 are starting to annoy me since I've tried lots score combinations and still couldn't get it. 562 you must tell her to not hook up with Sam and 586 and 587 I got with a high freedom run.
 
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