Sorry to say this one isn't for me. I was giving it a shot following what I believed was a netorase path and then the "hacker" shows up out of nowhere to blackmail the mc. Why? This immediately turned me off to the whole thing. It's not going to be netorase anymore if there's blackmail involved.
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Agreed, my least favorite part.
While I'm very interested in MC getting access to the wife's phone, I think blackmail isn't the way to do it because now it's like most other NTR games. If the wife gives MC access, or he stumbles across a way is another thing.
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This is a great question...
It's a bit irritating to be "open" to the idea of sharing her, then saying yeah, MC will talk to her about it, but then never gets to that conversation... Maybe the next update will get there... But right now, it's too NTRish with that last convo between Kira and Lisa, especially considering Kira knows how, what the MC and Lisa are thinking... This could easily be a mutually consensual thing without all the "behind MC's back" stuff, if the MC and Lisa would just freaking talk, like they were supposed to do after the bar...
The "blackmail" is an unnecessary device, particularly on a "sharing" route...
Cheating, cuckolding, sure, ok.
And, I agree, the blackmail plot completely ruins any netorase/"sharing" feel this story could have, because right now, ain't feeling it...
Love is over 130, Lust and Freedom 50-60ish (or really any combination of those 2), and Lisa's horn dogging out with Kira over trainer Sam like the MC doesn't really exist...
There's been 2 or 3 opportunities for the MC and Lisa to actually have a talk, but the story keeps preventing/skipping it, it's frustrating... Maybe some things are lost in translation, or maybe the next update will smooth things out a bit on a "sharing" route, if there is one... Will wait and see. But if it doesn't start getting more "sharing" and less cheating/cuckold/NTR soon, not sure an agreeable "sharing" path will be salvageable... I mean, an open relationship is supposed to work both ways, right? with boundaries and such, communication. Not Lisa screwing the trainer and then asking for forgiveness later...
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Well, you're pretty much on track.
Because even if you say yeah, I want to talk with her, "the talk" doesn't happen...
Kira is full NTR (one-way "open" relationship) corruption mode...
100%, and this is a super common trope too
So common I guess that's what people like, this whole "reluctant cuck mc" archetype.No one goes into these things with a full sharing mindset is for that - they know what they want, and don't need an mc who waffles around the idea (while meanwhile the LI proceeds full steam). Glad I'm not the only one that reads those kinds of stories and immediately thinks ntr setup.
The strong IR overtones don't help either. Trying to put aside my own bias against the genre, just judging things on face value, the player can't help but notice how the other sure-to-be male paramours for the LI are all hyper-masculine and dominant, while the MC remains mealy-mouthed. I'm not suggesting sharing setups need to be with little timid Timmy two-shoes, but it makes the MC's feeble personality all the more visible. (which definitely plays into the theme in my opening sentence)
So if that's the game the dev wants to make, by all means. But if he wants some variety in the paths, I'd recommend tweaking these interactions so different stat values don't all feel like the above.
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Thanks for the tip on the pictures. It wasn't that obvious to me. I'll rework it in future versions.
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Hello! There is no such guide at the moment. In the future, I might make one. The issue of having hints on points in the selection menu has already been raised. I'm thinking of making difficulty modes where on easy mode there will be hints on points and highlighted menus with key options.
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Hello! Thank you for your question. At the moment, there is no clear choice of path in the game, there is only accumulation of points and unique scenes from their number. The final and irrevocable moment of choosing the path will be in future versions. I did a detailed analysis of the mechanics of the glasses on my Patreon. In short, to choose a path you will need a combination of points. That is, for example, to go along the path of NTR, you need not just a lot of freedom points. You will need a balance of freedom, lust and love. Where love will need to be deliberately reduced. The same is true with the NTS path, only here you need to increase love. I am not ready to say the ratio of points and their exact number yet.. Because it can put me in a bind when creating a game.
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What moment exactly are you writing about? What scene does it come after? I'll study the dialogue and decide. In my mind, Adam doesn't say a definitive no to Kira on the issue of an open relationship. He always writes what he thinks or what he is watching. But this does not mean a firm no, I want a cheating whore wife.
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Hello! Good idea! I think it will be possible to implement something like this in future additions. Where Lisa finds out that Adam has been reading her correspondence and it has consequences. I'll think about this concept some more.
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There really is no conversation yet. Adam hasn't sorted out his feelings yet, and Kira has already told Adam 10 times that Lisa needs to be mentally prepared for this dialogue. So Kira prepares Lisa, and Adam prepares. Until then, Adam can only watch Lisa change and decide whether he approves of it and, if so, in what direction she should change.Well, you're pretty much on track.
Because even if you say yeah, I want to talk with her, "the talk" doesn't happen...
Kira is full NTR (one-way "open" relationship) corruption mode...
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Hello! Thank you for your detailed comment! None of the characters has hypermuscularity except Sam. No wonder, he's a fitness trainer. Carl is just a "good dude," without the dominant attitude. His character is very similar to MC's, he is hypocritical, cunning and manipulative.100%, and this is a super common trope too
No one goes into these things with a full sharing mindset is for that - they know what they want, and don't need an mc who waffles around the idea (while meanwhile the LI proceeds full steam). Glad I'm not the only one that reads those kinds of stories and immediately thinks ntr setup.
The strong IR overtones don't help either. Trying to put aside my own bias against the genre, just judging things on face value, the player can't help but notice how the other sure-to-be male paramours for the LI are all hyper-masculine and dominant, while the MC remains mealy-mouthed. I'm not suggesting sharing setups need to be with little timid Timmy two-shoes, but it makes the MC's feeble personality all the more visible. (which definitely plays into the theme in my opening sentence)
So if that's the game the dev wants to make, by all means. But if he wants some variety in the paths, I'd recommend tweaking these interactions so different stat values don't all feel like the above.
The MC is not weak and feeble. He's the director of an entire department! How many people are there who have achieved such heights in their careers? Adam is smart, cunning and treacherous. But because of his fantasies, "cum hits his head," and he's dumber, going along with his baser instincts. As a result, his decisions regarding Lisa are not driven by a general strategy, but by lust.
As for Adam and Lisa's conversation, I wrote in a message earlier, but I repeat, Adam is afraid of this conversation, as it will change everything in their relationship. He is afraid of change, but he fantasizes and longs for it. As a result, the player's decision is whether to promote these changes or preserve the relationship. I'm in no hurry to let the player make the final choice of the path, as it will be boring. Why play a game where 2 days after the start of the events, the wife rides dozens of cocks? As for me, the moment of expectation and anticipation is much more interesting. This moment is the sweetest thing in these games. A moment of misunderstanding what's going on and constant walking on a razor's edge.
Anyway, thanks for your great comment and feedback!
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Hello, thanks for your comment. The game doesn't know yet what you want on the path of a networker. You can opt out of hacker, there is a selection menu on this issue. He will not appear in the game anymore. Its presence is an aid to the players on the path of NTR. I repeat, the iga doesn't know what you want yet, you set it up yourself. Don't want a hacker? Discard it. Don't you want Kira? Give it up. Everything is in your hands.
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Hello! Thank you for your comment. Firstly. The NTS path will DEFINITELY be there. I guarantee you that.This is a great question...
It's a bit irritating to be "open" to the idea of sharing her, then saying yeah, MC will talk to her about it, but then never gets to that conversation... Maybe the next update will get there... But right now, it's too NTRish with that last convo between Kira and Lisa, especially considering Kira knows how, what the MC and Lisa are thinking... This could easily be a mutually consensual thing without all the "behind MC's back" stuff, if the MC and Lisa would just freaking talk, like they were supposed to do after the bar...
The "blackmail" is an unnecessary device, particularly on a "sharing" route...
Cheating, cuckolding, sure, ok.
And, I agree, the blackmail plot completely ruins any netorase/"sharing" feel this story could have, because right now, ain't feeling it...
Love is over 130, Lust and Freedom 50-60ish (or really any combination of those 2), and Lisa's horn dogging out with Kira over trainer Sam like the MC doesn't really exist...
There's been 2 or 3 opportunities for the MC and Lisa to actually have a talk, but the story keeps preventing/skipping it, it's frustrating... Maybe some things are lost in translation, or maybe the next update will smooth things out a bit on a "sharing" route, if there is one... Will wait and see. But if it doesn't start getting more "sharing" and less cheating/cuckold/NTR soon, not sure an agreeable "sharing" path will be salvageable... I mean, an open relationship is supposed to work both ways, right? with boundaries and such, communication. Not Lisa screwing the trainer and then asking for forgiveness later...
Second , you're rushing things. We probably disagree on what constitutes value in the game. For me, the value is not the fact of NTS or NTR itself, but the path that is taken to achieve this event.Lust and anticipation are valuable to me,they are what excites me.
If you make one update, and the next update Lisa is already cheating, or they're in an open relationship with Adam, then I think it's very boring. This is a vanshot game, short and concise. I want to write a long and eventful story.
Thirdly. I do not know how you are in your personal real life, but I am in some form of an open relationship with my partner. We did not go to this for 1 or 2 months. I perfectly understand the fear that people have in their heads at this moment, how people are afraid to take decisive actions to establish their relationship as "open" and how they are afraid of losing each other. EVEN if both want and are already ready for an open relationship. Fear and fear of consequences are the basis for the slowness of such a transition.
In other words, Adam is afraid of the transition. Lisa fantasizes and remembers her student years, but they are still in the rudiments of their fantasies. It's only been a month since Adam started his business trip. I am already trying to speed up the process in favor of more dynamic storytelling at the expense of "realism", for which, to some extent, I am being criticized by another part of my subscribers. As a result, I will find a balance between dynamics and "realism".
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It's your story, tell it how you want. People will like it or they won't.
I do understand what you're saying.
I expressed my concerns, and willing to see how it plays out...
However, right now, Kira isn't "helping"...
In the most recent conversation, which is the same for all paths, Kira doesn't say you and Adam need to talk more.
Nope, despite knowing what both Lisa and Adam are thinking, despite being able to choose talk to Lisa instead of "just watching it play out", which Kira knows... Kira is pushing "cheat" first, talk later...
And Lisa is on board with it...
That's not "open" communication, establishing boundaries, etc...
It's fostering mistrust, that's NTR, not netorase/sharing...
If that's the story, even on the "sharing" path, that's fine.
It's just not for me. I'm not a fan of "cheat" first then get permission after the fact type "sharing" scenarios...
And I absolutely don't expect a dev to cater to my opinions.
Tell your story, I'll either like it, or I won't.
And if I don't, I usually just stop commenting and playing...lol
Again, I'm willing to see how this plays out for now...
I give stories plenty of chances to "get on a track" that I like before I give up on it.
This one still has potential for me. That's why I expressed concern, provided feedback.
Thank you for the explanation.
I do understand what you're trying to do.
It just may not be a story for me.
It's your story, tell it how you want. People will like it or they won't.
I do understand what you're saying.
I expressed my concerns, and willing to see how it plays out...
However, right now, Kira isn't "helping"...
In the most recent conversation, which is the same for all paths, Kira doesn't say you and Adam need to talk more.
Nope, despite knowing what both Lisa and Adam are thinking, despite being able to choose talk to Lisa instead of "just watching it play out", which Kira knows... Kira is pushing "cheat" first, talk later...
And Lisa is on board with it...
That's not "open" communication, establishing boundaries, etc...
It's fostering mistrust, that's NTR, not netorase/sharing...
If that's the story, even on the "sharing" path, that's fine.
It's just not for me. I'm not a fan of "cheat" first then get permission after the fact type "sharing" scenarios...
And I absolutely don't expect a dev to cater to my opinions.
Tell your story, I'll either like it, or I won't.
And if I don't, I usually just stop commenting and playing...lol
Again, I'm willing to see how this plays out for now...
I give stories plenty of chances to "get on a track" that I like before I give up on it.
This one still has potential for me. That's why I expressed concern, provided feedback.
Thank you for the explanation.
I do understand what you're trying to do.
It just may not be a story for me.
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Thank you again for your detailed comment.
Kira plays on Lisa's fantasies, she encourages them, supports and approves. The initial task for Kira is to overcome Lisa's doubts, to let her know that her fantasies are normal. Regardless of whether this is a fantasy about NTR or NTS. The next step after Lisa has been corrupted enough to come to terms with her fantasies is player-by-player. It is the player's actions that will determine whether these fantasies of Lisa are aimed at interacting with him or without him.
I repeat-Kira's task is to support Lisa's fantasies. The player's task is to choose where to direct Lisa's ACTIONS.
Or do you think Kira should tell Lisa directly, " stop thinking about other men, think about other men and Adam?"? In part, Kira is already baiting Lisa in Version 0.4, probing the edge of Lisa's interests in this matter.
I will repeat another thing, I get the impression, based on your messages, that you want everything at once. That would be all in the forehead and straight. This doesn't happen in reality. In any case,it wasn't like that in my relationship, and I rely a lot on my experience.
No, there will be no NTS path AFTER cheating, NTS / NTR / Love paths are selected simultaneously when the desired number of points is accumulated. This will be in the upcoming updates. Character development is happening now. Just for one addition in the forehead will not be. Maybe it makes sense for you to wait a few months to start playing, if you can't wait for everything at once.
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Hello, I may not understand you, but please explain what exactly you see the difference between cheating and NTR. As far as I know, these are identical concepts, although I read that there are people who share these concepts. I would be interested in what you see as this division, where is the key quality that separates one from the other.
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