VN Ren'Py Phone Story [v0.6] [Taptus]

[Darth Sidious]

Tap, get a [Game Developer] tag and control of your thread so you can delete leaks when they come before their time. I support your project on Patreon and saw your rules regarding release availability per tier and it's excellent in my opinion no need for piracy. Non-supporters will just have to wait a bit longer.

 

[MrNoice]

That you are in your game, on any branch, there was no blackmail, you need to choose a Neutral path. View attachment 4624586

Quick question, was this warning added in the previous update? Because I don’t recall it and I’m using old saves.

Regarding criticism, I first want to say what you’ve written prior to this update has been good. It’s a porn game, I’m not expecting a novel but compared to 96% of other games, the writing here far better.

Now, I personally couldn’t even finish this update. The blackmail trope in my own opinion is so over used and frankly (again imo) lazy writing. Karl kinda was sleazy prior to this update, but this took it from a 2 and made it an 11. Not to mention it took all the build up and just threw it out the window. It also made us the players who (most) of us see as ourselves made the MC feel stupid because the MC did something so dumb that it broke our suspension of disbelief, which effectively killed the mood. My suggestion is to spend the next update rewriting this one and go from there. I know some people here are telling you to pretty much double down and ignore the “backlash”. Don’t do that, I’ve seen too many games die that I used to like from creators refusing to take a single update to fix their work.

Again, this is a good game. I wish you the best of luck.

 

[MrNoice]

Hard disagree, 0.6 was fantastic. As a non-supporter you have no right to complain about a game you get for free. Support the game or follow the current.

As someone who is a supporter, everyone has a right to criticize works. Not to mention, this is a pirate forum. Preaching that only supporters can say anything is extremely hypocritical when you use this forum as well and I bet you’ve also criticized a game you never supported too.

End of the day we’re all human. We have a right to have our voices heard. (For better or worse)

 

[Darth Sidious]

As someone who is a supporter, everyone has a right to criticize works. Not to mention, this is a pirate forum. Preaching that only supporters can say anything is extremely hypocritical when you use this forum as well and I bet you’ve also criticized a game you never supported too.

End of the day we’re all human. We have a right to have our voices heard. (For better or worse)

It is not hypocritical to use the forum - it would be hypocritical to criticize the work of a game I wouldn't support. No, I don't criticize games on F95 unless this is their only platform. Why would a developer care about the opinions of pirates who do not support the game? Anyone can say shit about anything, ultimately you'd want to hear the voices of the people who are actually invested in the game. A developer creates a game based on their own vision, if you like it, you can support it and have a say in where the direction might go. Usually by means of a poll/vote. If not, you'll just have to deal with it or realize it's not your kind of game.

Non-supporter critics should be heard maybe, but heeded? No.

 

[malha_vacas69]

Hard disagree, 0.6 was fantastic. As a non-supporter you have no right to complain about a game you get for free. Support the game or follow the current.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you there. Everyone has the right to criticize the game regardless of it's a paid supporter or not in the end of the day everyone that has the time to download, play it and comment in the game page are all fans of the game and want to see it have success. Everyone has their own reasons to why they do not support the game on patreon, in my case for example is because I don't trust game devs on this website. Yeah Taptus has been doing a good job so far and I've been happy with the updates until this one but still I've seen times and times again where a dev is super responsive and makes good updates only for it to go downhill months later and the game goes abandoned because of reasons that only those devs know and then all the money that the supposed "true fans" gave goes to waste.

 

[Taptus]

Tap, get a [Game Developer] tag and control of your thread so you can delete leaks when they come before their time. I support your project on Patreon and saw your rules regarding release availability per tier and it's excellent in my opinion no need for piracy. Non-supporters will just have to wait a bit longer.

Can you tell me how I can get this tag? Where do I need to contact?

 

[Taptus]

Quick question, was this warning added in the previous update? Because I don’t recall it and I’m using old saves.

Regarding criticism, I first want to say what you’ve written prior to this update has been good. It’s a porn game, I’m not expecting a novel but compared to 96% of other games, the writing here far better.

Now, I personally couldn’t even finish this update. The blackmail trope in my own opinion is so over used and frankly (again imo) lazy writing. Karl kinda was sleazy prior to this update, but this took it from a 2 and made it an 11. Not to mention it took all the build up and just threw it out the window. It also made us the players who (most) of us see as ourselves made the MC feel stupid because the MC did something so dumb that it broke our suspension of disbelief, which effectively killed the mood. My suggestion is to spend the next update rewriting this one and go from there. I know some people here are telling you to pretty much double down and ignore the “backlash”. Don’t do that, I’ve seen too many games die that I used to like from creators refusing to take a single update to fix their work.

Again, this is a good game. I wish you the best of luck.

Hello, maybe I didn't understand you correctly, but you know that the game has the ability to play without blackmail? That is, you can literally stop Lisa from drinking at the bar and you will have a regular game branch. The blackmail line is variable and if you don't want it to be in your game, it won't be, this is just one of the opportunities to make me, for people who like it, part of the content in the bush. Just like I will continue to make content for the line without blackmailing Karl.

 

[Joshy92]

Hello, maybe I didn't understand you correctly, but you know that the game has the ability to play without blackmail? That is, you can literally stop Lisa from drinking at the bar and you will have a regular game branch. The blackmail line is variable and if you don't want it to be in your game, it won't be, this is just one of the opportunities to make me, for people who like it, part of the content in the bush. Just like I will continue to make content for the line without blackmailing Karl.

Hey Taptus I was wondering if Karl is the blackmail path will there be the option for another black guy for Lisa without blackmail down the line?

 

[Taptus]

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you there. Everyone has the right to criticize the game regardless of it's a paid supporter or not in the end of the day everyone that has the time to download, play it and comment in the game page are all fans of the game and want to see it have success. Everyone has their own reasons to why they do not support the game on patreon, in my case for example is because I don't trust game devs on this website. Yeah Taptus has been doing a good job so far and I've been happy with the updates until this one but still I've seen times and times again where a dev is super responsive and makes good updates only for it to go downhill months later and the game goes abandoned because of reasons that only those devs know and then all the money that the supposed "true fans" gave goes to waste.

I can assure you that despite the game's drain and temporary dismoral, I will continue to make the game. Here, however, there is a possibility that I got sick, but that's another story.
In any case, I don't plan to quit the game, and I don't even have that thought in mind. The most important thing is that I like it and enjoy it myself. Yes, I make mistakes in some parts, but who among us is without sin?

 

[Taptus]

Hey Taptus I was wondering if Karl is the blackmail path will there be the option for another black guy for Lisa without blackmail down the line?

Karl will be both in the line of blackmail, and Without, just in the branches of NTR and NTS and Love, already as separate branches, there will be another branch with Karl's blackmail. At the same time, Sem (Lisa's black coach) remains in the game.
Soon there will be several white characters in the game, this is Aaron-Lisa's ex-boyfriend and a few more.

In other words, Karl's blackmail is just a convenient preparation for me for part of the plot of future additions.

 

[Joshy92]

Karl will be both in the line of blackmail, and Without, just in the branches of NTR and NTS and Love, already as separate branches, there will be another branch with Karl's blackmail. At the same time, Sem (Lisa's black coach) remains in the game.
Soon there will be several white characters in the game, this is Aaron-Lisa's ex-boyfriend and a few more.

In other words, Karl's blackmail is just a convenient preparation for me for part of the plot of future additions.

Awesome, thank you for the quick response, Taptus. I hope you have a good evening.

 

[malha_vacas69]

Hey Taptus as someone that has been enjoying the game until know and was also disappointed with how the story developed in this update please don't lose your motivation because of the criticism. Good and bad decision are part of the development of it, I reckon that the game is still in it's early stages of development so any criticism and feedback will only help you grow as a developer and you will learn your audience better. In my case I just prefer a natural flow of the story without feeling forced. When I choose the Karl's path I thought that the cheating would come as a natural progression of Karl and Lisa getting closed to each other but with the blackmail it feels like it's going to be forced to happen (I don't know if I'm making sense here). Maybe some option to see what the path will lead to in the future would probably help, like there was no way to see the it would end up in blackmail.

 

[Taptus]

Hey Taptus as someone that has been enjoying the game until know and was also disappointed with how the story developed in this update please don't lose your motivation because of the criticism. Good and bad decision are part of the development of it, I reckon that the game is still in it's early stages of development so any criticism and feedback will only help you grow as a developer and you will learn your audience better. In my case I just prefer a natural flow of the story without feeling forced. When I choose the Karl's path I thought that the cheating would come as a natural progression of Karl and Lisa getting closed to each other but with the blackmail it feels like it's going to be forced to happen (I don't know if I'm making sense here). Maybe some option to see what the path will lead to in the future would probably help, like there was no way to see the it would end up in blackmail.

Hello, thank you for your feedback. Karl's path and the neutral path are just different versions of events. There are no right or wrong options, primary or secondary. Just as there is no right branch of the game and NTR and NTS and Love are all the right branches of the game, there are no wrong ones. Karl's path is a path for those who like blackmail and further humiliation, a neutral path will allow you to develop NTR, NTS and Love relationships more smoothly, without coercion. The player always has a choice

 

[ItsNotUs]

So, because of the scoundrel who leaked my game here, it is now in the public domain. There is no worse demotivation for me. Good luck to you all.

You know, i can only give my subjective advice not to get too worked up about it, otherwise it might burn you out!

There is a fairly well-known team of NTR game devs, the head of which also often came and scolded in the thread for an early liсk, they also had a model after a month the release was given out for free, but they were not against the fact that the release did not happen immediately, but at least after 10 days, allowing them to make money on high tiers, but for this you will have to raise the prices of your product and make a gradation by tiers and to move on to this you need to provide better quality content!
Don't get me wrong, but constructive criticism should also be taken calmly and with "dignity"!

You know what path interests me more in this game, so as a pirate i will say that i agree with those who said above that this update is "short-bad", there is little content in it - content that interests me!

A couple of points to make everything clearer:

1. Yes, as i assumed, it was Karl's car and Lisa felt sick, but in the position in which he sits and which the last update ended with, it says otherwise,i understand that this is AI, but i would do so that Karl's right hand lies on Lisa's back and he himself is either surprised.

2. Black and white footage from a surveillance camera, as some one said above, almost nothing is clear on them, yes, i understand that this is the idea, but it was possible to make high-quality AI images and remove the color in a photo editor by making them black and white and in Photoshop add a frame from a surveillance camera and a grainy or interference effect!
Then, when you enlarged these pictures on a phone, you could more clearly understand what was on them.

3. Many bugs, "thoughts" run in front of the text and pictures, i.e. the scene has not yet been, but the thought has already appeared. In one of the scenes the thoughts just froze in place and the text underneath them was hard to read!
In Love Path it is said that Karl helped Lisa get to bed, although in the pictures from the camera she is there completely alone!

4. Since i also play NTR path, i didn't like that the cliffhanger is the same for all paths.
Lisa feels sick in all options - i would like her to suck him off on the NTR path, but these are my personal wishes, so that there would be a difference between the paths not only in the texts but also in such key moments!

As for blackmail, it's not about what you added it, but how you did it!
Yes, i know that there is an option not to go this way or to choose not to give in to blackmail, but for now this option ends the game.
As for blackmail, i personally don’t understand what it’s for!?
Lisa in NTR paht behaves in such a way that she does not need to be blackmailed (what can i say, even on the Love Path she has such thoughts ), she kisses Karl and thinks about how good she is with him, etc. This is the path to slow corruption, why blackmail if Lisa herself will want Karl after some time!? Personally, i do not understand this - probably like other people, that is why there is so much hate at this point!
Well, if you still decided to use blackmail in your game, think it through better. Karl is blackmail the MC and not the object of his desire! It seems to me that in this case Karl would be better off blackmailing Lisa while corrupting her! The fact that he knows that they falsified reports, etc., and now Lisa has to please him so that neither she nor her husband lose their jobs and positions!
This would be more logical.
I know that we discussed it with you and you told me what you mean by the NTR path in your game, but i still miss the classic one where the wife cheats and the husband doesn’t know or guesses, etc.!

The result of this update is that for me it turned out "bad" - but i see how much work you did, because it is visible from the paths and choices in them, if someone doubts this open the gallery, i have many unopened photos, because i do not follow the NTS path, but also that i made the "wrong" choice in the NTR path!

By the way, from here there is another point of minuses, the last photo in the gallery opens in the neutral option, it open on freedom points 150+, but no matter what i do, i gain. maximum 140, and i don’t want to replay from the very beginning, maybe it’s worth thinking about the option of opening the gallery via a code or optional by decision of the player himself!?

 

[Joshy92]

Hello, thank you for your feedback. Karl's path and the neutral path are just different versions of events. There are no right or wrong options, primary or secondary. Just as there is no right branch of the game and NTR and NTS and Love are all the right branches of the game, there are no wrong ones. Karl's path is a path for those who like blackmail and further humiliation, a neutral path will allow you to develop NTR, NTS and Love relationships more smoothly, without coercion. The player always has a choice

I really like that. A lot of devs make it feel like you have to play a certain way to get the 'best' options, but you are doing a good job of giving the players freedom without going overboard and making the game a convoluted mess.

 

[malha_vacas69]

Hello, thank you for your feedback. Karl's path and the neutral path are just different versions of events. There are no right or wrong options, primary or secondary. Just as there is no right branch of the game and NTR and NTS and Love are all the right branches of the game, there are no wrong ones. Karl's path is a path for those who like blackmail and further humiliation, a neutral path will allow you to develop NTR, NTS and Love relationships more smoothly, without coercion. The player always has a choice

Ok I played through the entire game again and this time I choose the Neutral Path when it gave me the choice and yeah it was exactly I had in mind before playing the update and more to my liking. Maybe for future updates instead of having Karl path maybe change it for Blackmail/Humiliation path. Having the kinks explained would probably resolve the confusion that the choice caused, because when choosing Karl's Path I honestly thought that would be the option that allows Lisa to get together with Karl.

 

[Taptus]

Ok I played through the entire game again and this time I choose the Neutral Path when it gave me the choice and yeah it was exactly I had in mind before playing the update and more to my liking. Maybe for future updates instead of having Karl path maybe change it for Blackmail/Humiliation path. Having the kinks explained would probably resolve the confusion that the choice caused, because when choosing Karl's Path I honestly thought that would be the option that allows Lisa to get together with Karl.

Yes, you are right, I have already marked this moment for myself from gold subscribers, and if my game had not been leaked ahead of time, then in the public version 0.6 this would have been fixed

 

[StrawberryCheese83]

Is the neutral Path the same as Love Path??? If not, what is the difference because as a Player i felt left out with the last few Scenes with Karl and Lisa (no choices with impact)...! I want him to leave her alone and i want her to distance herself from this A**h**e. Can someone please make a mod with a "faithful only" switch??

 

[malha_vacas69]

Yes, you are right, I have already marked this moment for myself from gold subscribers, and if my game had not been leaked ahead of time, then in the public version 0.6 this would have been fixed

Yeah, I was honestly surprised when I saw the game here because I remember it should only be available at the end of the month, but I guess those are the risks of having the game on a pirate website and I would probably guess it will not be last time it happens. I remember the same happening to Netorase Phone and then it wasn't leaked for a few updates only for it to get leaked again last update.

 

[Taptus]

You know, i can only give my subjective advice not to get too worked up about it, otherwise it might burn you out!

There is a fairly well-known team of NTR game devs, the head of which also often came and scolded in the thread for an early liсk, they also had a model after a month the release was given out for free, but they were not against the fact that the release did not happen immediately, but at least after 10 days, allowing them to make money on high tiers, but for this you will have to raise the prices of your product and make a gradation by tiers and to move on to this you need to provide better quality content!
Don't get me wrong, but constructive criticism should also be taken calmly and with "dignity"!

You know what path interests me more in this game, so as a pirate i will say that i agree with those who said above that this update is "short-bad", there is little content in it - content that interests me!

A couple of points to make everything clearer:

1. Yes, as i assumed, it was Karl's car and Lisa felt sick, but in the position in which he sits and which the last update ended with, it says otherwise,i understand that this is AI, but i would do so that Karl's right hand lies on Lisa's back and he himself is either surprised.

2. Black and white footage from a surveillance camera, as some one said above, almost nothing is clear on them, yes, i understand that this is the idea, but it was possible to make high-quality AI images and remove the color in a photo editor by making them black and white and in Photoshop add a frame from a surveillance camera and a grainy or interference effect!
Then, when you enlarged these pictures on a phone, you could more clearly understand what was on them.

3. Many bugs, "thoughts" run in front of the text and pictures, i.e. the scene has not yet been, but the thought has already appeared. In one of the scenes the thoughts just froze in place and the text underneath them was hard to read!
In Love Path it is said that Karl helped Lisa get to bed, although in the pictures from the camera she is there completely alone!

4. Since i also play NTR path, i didn't like that the cliffhanger is the same for all paths.
Lisa feels sick in all options - i would like her to suck him off on the NTR path, but these are my personal wishes, so that there would be a difference between the paths not only in the texts but also in such key moments!

As for blackmail, it's not about what you added it, but how you did it!
Yes, i know that there is an option not to go this way or to choose not to give in to blackmail, but for now this option ends the game.
As for blackmail, i personally don’t understand what it’s for!?
Lisa in NTR paht behaves in such a way that she does not need to be blackmailed (what can i say, even on the Love Path she has such thoughts ), she kisses Karl and thinks about how good she is with him, etc. This is the path to slow corruption, why blackmail if Lisa herself will want Karl after some time!? Personally, i do not understand this - probably like other people, that is why there is so much hate at this point!
Well, if you still decided to use blackmail in your game, think it through better. Karl is blackmail the MC and not the object of his desire! It seems to me that in this case Karl would be better off blackmailing Lisa while corrupting her! The fact that he knows that they falsified reports, etc., and now Lisa has to please him so that neither she nor her husband lose their jobs and positions!
This would be more logical.
I know that we discussed it with you and you told me what you mean by the NTR path in your game, but i still miss the classic one where the wife cheats and the husband doesn’t know or guesses, etc.!

The result of this update is that for me it turned out "bad" - but i see how much work you did, because it is visible from the paths and choices in them, if someone doubts this open the gallery, i have many unopened photos, because i do not follow the NTS path, but also that i made the "wrong" choice in the NTR path!

By the way, from here there is another point of minuses, the last photo in the gallery opens in the neutral option, it open on freedom points 150+, but no matter what i do, i gain. maximum 140, and i don’t want to replay from the very beginning, maybe it’s worth thinking about the option of opening the gallery via a code or optional by decision of the player himself!?

Hello and thank you for your extensive feedback!
Can you tell me what you mean by better content in my case?

Regarding point 3, yes, there is a bug that I haven't fixed yet with the wrong dialog in the neutral branch. But at the expense of thoughts I did not understand, please reveal exactly where the bug is, and better with screenshots in the BOS as you did last time, it helped me a lot

Regarding the cheat code, someone already suggested this idea above, I'm still thinking about it, I'll probably make a vote on petreon whether to introduce this into the game