Poll What type NTR/Corruption stealer/bull do you want to see more of?

[SisconM]

Does that even count? I thought that NTR was all about one partner feeling bad about the whole thing. If everyone is having a good time, that's not cheating; it's house rules.

I guess it depends on what the author's focused fetish is, a lot of times I feel like the author just wants to make a corruption story but they use cheating as a cheap taboo for the spice.
I'm pretty sure there's exceptions but I doubt majority of people really enjoy the parts where the sad guy just cries unless there's some "he deserves it" set up.
Then there's the actual cucks who want to be in the position of the sad guy, not my cup of tea but I'm theorizing there's some form of weird self gratification they get from thoughts like "I'm the only one generous enough to let my girl enjoy, look at her go, and she stays with me at the end" or basically having their girl be their personal porn star.

I would like to see more netori stuff, where we corrupt and steal

Honestly I always just bunch up netori and neotrare since its just a matter of PoV unless its one of those where the author is extremely insistent on the cuck. Most of the time the main focus is the girl getting corrupted and stolen anyway. But man sometimes authors rather throw you half an essay about the cucked fella feeling bad but horny and then some montage of the good old times that adds nothing to the enjoyment of the scenes about the girl. There's probably people who enjoy that but I'm quite sure it isn't the majority.

I actually have a whole mental thesis about how most NTR is a corruption story with a lazy uncreative author.

But yes, I prefer netori too, just becauseI don't need to waste my time reading about some badly written cuck reflecting on life choices and his past while jacking off and crying.

I mean yeah... but "cheating" is a popular western fetish too and lesbian cuckery is still rare.

I imagine that is because there is a rather bizarre stigma agaist gay girls in Japan, which means that their tropes rarely include them. Of course, otaku are largely incapable of thinking outside those tropes, so they do not make many games featuring gay girls either. The best that we can reasonably expect is a handful of unrealistic characters in stories that are focused on the lesbian fetish.

I think the closest things I've seen are from yuri mangas where the girl can't make things work with guys or had to hide the fact they are lesbian due to social stigma until a new girl opens her eyes.
I have a blurry memory of one that had a married woman be seduced by a student but I might be tripping and it could have been a single teacher.
I do clearly recall one where there's a side couple about two moms that used to be lovers as students, got caught and hit by the old generation homophobia and made to act straight. I recall both of them are divorced by the time of the story so its more about them rekindling their flame in the modern world where there's less stigma than back in the day. I forgot the title but its about yuri bdsm and the main character's are their daughters.

Seems like most of the examples are after they leave men behind rather than getting straight up stolen.

I guess one other issue apart form lack of creativity might be that picturing an already stigmatized group as a danger to straight couples won't do their image any favors so most authors just avoid antagonizing them.
Explains why there's always justification to make it "saving" the other girl from a bad man or from denying her true self.

There's also this weird fetishized "pureness" about yuri(fans cheer their idols on when they're being gay af, but the moment a male voice is heard nearby they go nuts), so I guess picturing what is "pure" as evil is something the casual otaku can't brain.

 

[Uthuriel]

Honestly I always just bunch up netori and neotrare since its just a matter of PoV unless its one of those where the author is extremely insistent on the cuck. Most of the time the main focus is the girl getting corrupted and stolen anyway. But man sometimes authors rather throw you half an essay about the cucked fella feeling bad but horny and then some montage of the good old times that adds nothing to the enjoyment of the scenes about the girl. There's probably people who enjoy that but I'm quite sure it isn't the majority.

I actually have a whole mental thesis about how most NTR is a corruption story with a lazy uncreative author.

But yes, I prefer netori too, just becauseI don't need to waste my time reading about some badly written cuck reflecting on life choices and his past while jacking off and crying.

That is literally the point though... being cucked and cucking someone else isn't the same.

Most NTR games are slut/naive woman getting corrupted/blackmailed.. etc. by some fuckboi that will throw her away the moment he sets eyes on the next target.
The ho ends as mind broken cum dumpster while MC cries over it. --> Fuckboi moves on...
I'd say it's rare that they stay together in most games.

Netori is mostly unhappily married woman in a maybe abusive relationship that is stolen by MC, sometimes she stays with her hubby for reasons... but in the good cases she leaves him and then is MCs girl.

So I'd say of course the POV matters. It defines not only who the MC is but the genre.
NTR and netori aren't the same literary trope.
Netori in most games is freeing a woman and being the better man.
NTR is corrupting a woman and using her. In the end both she and her original partner are being fucked over by the instigator.

 

[SisconM]

That is literally the point though... being cucked and cucking someone else isn't the same.

Most NTR games are slut/naive woman getting corrupted/blackmailed.. etc. by some fuckboi that will throw her away the moment he sets eyes on the next target.
The ho ends as mind broken cum dumpster while MC cries over it. --> Fuckboi moves on...
I'd say it's rare that they stay together in most games.

Netori is mostly unhappily married woman in a maybe abusive relationship that is stolen by MC, sometimes she stays with her hubby for reasons... but in the good cases she leaves him and then is MCs girl.

So I'd say of course the POV matters. It defines not only who the MC is but the genre.
NTR and netori aren't the same literary trope.
Netori in most games is freeing a woman and being the better man.
NTR is corrupting a woman and using her. In the end both she and her original partner are being fucked over by the instigator.

I thought "saving" the woman is some optional trope that exists in both(albiet quite rare in netorare, where the MC takes the girl for granted and she gets stolen), aren't there quite a few netori games where you wreck a decent relationship in order to get the woman, unless you argue husband being on a long business trip making her frustrated is treatment worth "freeing" from.

I do agree both of them have their own common patterns, but I'm pretty sure they aren't defined by them either.

In simplest terms isn't:

Netorare is bascially "to be stolen from"

Netori is "to steal"

then you have Netorase which is swinging

Oddly enough all three can be abbreviated(language wise, not sure about the technical term) to NTR so I wonder if its actually the umbrella term while Netorare, Netori and Netorase are the more defined categories. I do understand Netorare is the one associated with the abbreviation most but there are some Netori games that use the abbreviation.
For example "NTR legend" and its inspired game "NTRaholic" you play as the stealer, which makes it a Netori game, you're an asshole through and through too, not much "freeing" going on.

I guess the definition much more important in games that lock the PoV of the player like some of the Kegani Lab games, but dosen't matter much in the typical H-manga where its mostly the woman's PoV 80% of the time so the only differing characteristics are the common tropes.


I'm also not saying we should do away with the definitions either, just in the context of the main topic of the thread (the type of stealer/corruptor/bull) it doesn't matter as much.

 

[Uthuriel]

I thought "saving" the woman is some optional trope that exists in both(albiet quite rare in netorare, where the MC takes the girl for granted and she gets stolen), aren't there quite a few netori games where you wreck a decent relationship in order to get the woman, unless you argue husband being on a long business trip making her frustrated is treatment worth "freeing" from.

I do agree both of them have their own common patterns, but I'm pretty sure they aren't defined by them either.

In simplest terms isn't:

Netorare is bascially "to be stolen from"

Netori is "to steal"

then you have Netorase which is swinging

Oddly enough all three can be abbreviated(language wise, not sure about the technical term) to NTR so I wonder if its actually the umbrella term while Netorare, Netori and Netorase are the more defined categories. I do understand Netorare is the one associated with the abbreviation most but there are some Netori games that use the abbreviation.
For example "NTR legend" and its inspired game "NTRaholic" you play as the stealer, which makes it a Netori game, you're an asshole through and through too, not much "freeing" going on.

I guess the definition much more important in games that lock the PoV of the player like some of the Kegani Lab games, but dosen't matter much in the typical H-manga where its mostly the woman's PoV 80% of the time so the only differing characteristics are the common tropes.


I'm also not saying we should do away with the definitions either, just in the context of the main topic of the thread (the type of stealer/corruptor/bull) it doesn't matter as much.

I think in most netori games you get the girl out of a bad situation, thus "saving" her.
I don't think I've ever played a netori game where we play as homewrecker, but I'm sure there are some where we play as the "bad guy" and destroy what could have been a good relationship. Games like that I'd are just fetish games without much thought put into the story. e.g. Young married couple move into new flat. ---> Landlord corrupts their relationship. ---> low hanging fruit...

To be honest though I don't like any of the neto-XXX. Though netori is IMHO the least bad one.
As I said in my other post it's the low hanging fruit for me. Most of the games in those genres are just bad porn. I also don't like that they thrive on negative emotions either, I think the world is dark enough. When I come home after work I want to unwind and not fill my mind with even more negativity.

 

[SisconM]

I think in most netori games you get the girl out of a bad situation, thus "saving" her.
I don't think I've ever played a netori game where we play as homewrecker, but I'm sure there are some where we play as the "bad guy" and destroy what could have been a good relationship. Games like that I'd are just fetish games without much thought put into the story. e.g. Young married couple move into new flat. ---> Landlord corrupts their relationship. ---> low hanging fruit...

To be honest though I don't like any of the neto-XXX. Though netori is IMHO the least bad one.
As I said in my other post it's the low hanging fruit for me. Most of the games in those genres are just bad porn. I also don't like that they thrive on negative emotions either, I think the world is dark enough. When I come home after work I want to unwind and not fill my mind with even more negativity.

Fair enough, yeah it's extremely low hanging fruit for lazy authors looking for a cheap buzzword to slap on their cheap project, just like isekai, a bunch of cheap retakes on the same thing because it's the popular buzzword at the time.

I usually call the "saving" type Netorare/Netori "justified NTR" cause the author doesn't want to deal with the negative emotions, and like you said its only commonly put into Netori.

your opinion is totally understandable, after all there's only two main reasons people go into fiction after all
1. to forget about the negativity in real life
2. to experience fantasies impossible or immoral(aka the guilty pleasure), I mean how many incest fans actually want to have incest IRL?

I feel like many authors miss the point about the "guilty pleasure" as in the woman getting corrupted or breaking her sexual innocence.(its basically the porn equivalent of a shounen protag getting new powers or training montage)

Instead the authors focus way too much on the negativity cause another manga/game did the same. I see no point in focusing on the guilt of hurting the other guy, no matter how much of a power fantasy anyone wants, it doesn't make you horny(the whole point of porn).
The only exception are those where the PoV is stuck on the cuck for people with a cuck fetish, ain't my cup of tea but I'm not one to kinkshame.
I guess maybe authors that take the genre as low hanging fruit don't even understand the appeal to each sub-niche and try to appeal to both at once ending up with some mess. This is what happens when authors pick low hanging fruit but don't even know what it should taste like.

 

[Stalker Seducer]

I guess it depends on what the author's focused fetish is, a lot of times I feel like the author just wants to make a corruption story but they use cheating as a cheap taboo for the spice.
I'm pretty sure there's exceptions but I doubt majority of people really enjoy the parts where the sad guy just cries unless there's some "he deserves it" set up.
Then there's the actual cucks who want to be in the position of the sad guy, not my cup of tea but I'm theorizing there's some form of weird self gratification they get from thoughts like "I'm the only one generous enough to let my girl enjoy, look at her go, and she stays with me at the end" or basically having their girl be their personal porn star.


Honestly I always just bunch up netori and neotrare since its just a matter of PoV unless its one of those where the author is extremely insistent on the cuck. Most of the time the main focus is the girl getting corrupted and stolen anyway. But man sometimes authors rather throw you half an essay about the cucked fella feeling bad but horny and then some montage of the good old times that adds nothing to the enjoyment of the scenes about the girl. There's probably people who enjoy that but I'm quite sure it isn't the majority.

I actually have a whole mental thesis about how most NTR is a corruption story with a lazy uncreative author.

But yes, I prefer netori too, just becauseI don't need to waste my time reading about some badly written cuck reflecting on life choices and his past while jacking off and crying.



I think the closest things I've seen are from yuri mangas where the girl can't make things work with guys or had to hide the fact they are lesbian due to social stigma until a new girl opens her eyes.
I have a blurry memory of one that had a married woman be seduced by a student but I might be tripping and it could have been a single teacher.
I do clearly recall one where there's a side couple about two moms that used to be lovers as students, got caught and hit by the old generation homophobia and made to act straight. I recall both of them are divorced by the time of the story so its more about them rekindling their flame in the modern world where there's less stigma than back in the day. I forgot the title but its about yuri bdsm and the main character's are their daughters.

Seems like most of the examples are after they leave men behind rather than getting straight up stolen.

I guess one other issue apart form lack of creativity might be that picturing an already stigmatized group as a danger to straight couples won't do their image any favors so most authors just avoid antagonizing them.
Explains why there's always justification to make it "saving" the other girl from a bad man or from denying her true self.

There's also this weird fetishized "pureness" about yuri(fans cheer their idols on when they're being gay af, but the moment a male voice is heard nearby they go nuts), so I guess picturing what is "pure" as evil is something the casual otaku can't brain.

Ah men are evil women are pure and yet lesbians need protection from having a harmful portrayal in media... very interesting.

 

[SisconM]

Ah men are evil women are pure and yet lesbians need protection from having a harmful portrayal in media... very interesting.

Blame how media is controlled by those weird unfair narratives, I don't really care either but its understandable authors don't want to deal with their harassment after actually being creative, when they can be safe and lazy.

I've see some manga have a lesbo antagonist but then everyone in the series is a lesbo, but never seen one where a lesbian is the enemy of a straight couple.

 

[Stalker Seducer]

Blame how media is controlled by those weird unfair narratives, I don't really care either but its understandable authors don't want to deal with their harassment after actually being creative, when they can be safe and lazy.

I've see some manga have a lesbo antagonist but then everyone in the series is a lesbo, but never seen one where a lesbian is the enemy of a straight couple.

Normalize lesbian villains.

 

[desmosome]

That is literally the point though... being cucked and cucking someone else isn't the same.

Most NTR games are slut/naive woman getting corrupted/blackmailed.. etc. by some fuckboi that will throw her away the moment he sets eyes on the next target.
The ho ends as mind broken cum dumpster while MC cries over it. --> Fuckboi moves on...
I'd say it's rare that they stay together in most games.

Netori is mostly unhappily married woman in a maybe abusive relationship that is stolen by MC, sometimes she stays with her hubby for reasons... but in the good cases she leaves him and then is MCs girl.

So I'd say of course the POV matters. It defines not only who the MC is but the genre.
NTR and netori aren't the same literary trope.
Netori in most games is freeing a woman and being the better man.
NTR is corrupting a woman and using her. In the end both she and her original partner are being fucked over by the instigator.

Years of fighting against NTR has given you an unprecedented understanding of the genre. There are obviously outliers in each category, but what you said in this post is basically spot on. Well done, Mr. Harem enjoyer.