POLL: You love Harem and hate NTR. You enter a bunker and you're automatically drawn to which girl?

[anne O'nymous]

I genuinely like Harem, but my version of Harem is completely different from the norm.

Alright, I'll stop you right there.

The harem genre come from real world harems. Therefore, it take its origin in places where all the girls where the property of their owner, and for their owner use only.
Of course, applied to adult games, the meaning is more blurry ; is a harem game any game where the player can have all the girls. But this have one major consequence: There isn't different way to make a harem game.

Either the player have the possibility to have many girls, and it's a harem game, or he can't have more than one girl, and it's not a harem game, dot. There's few variations, the girls can live together or not, and it can be a harem effectively including "all the girls", or some girls can be incompatible with some others, but that's all.
Everything you imagine as making your harem completely different from the norm is absolutely not related to the fact that it's a harem.

Then I can see if I'm on the right track.

You are on the wrong track since the first poll you started.

The story and kinks should come from you, and you shouldn't care a single second about the tags that will be put on top of your game.
Globally speaking, the whole scene is present here. For every kink and genre, you'll find here those who only play those kind of games, those who will never ever play such games, and the majority who don't care this much. Therefore, whatever the game you'll make, it will find its public. But you are doing the opposite, trying to find your public first, then make the game later.
It's not impossible to write a story as compulsory exercise ; therefore writing what people asked, not what you effectively have in mind. But it need to be exceptionally good as writer to do it correctly ; or at least correctly enough for the story to not be a total mess.

Does Harem, Competition, NTR as penalty, whorish women in addition to innocent women have any interest to a Harem Lover/NTR Hater?

"NTR as penalty" "[having] any interest to" "NTR Hater"...
I'll rephrase it with words that will perhaps make you understand the absurdity of this: Is being sodomized by a big black cock as penalty having any interest to KKK members ?

The only people who will eventually find an interest are people who don't like NTR, but don't hate it either ; and obviously those who like, or love, NTR. But for sure, if someone hate NTR, he will not be interested in any content that is NTR.

 

[hakarlman]

There isn't different way to make a harem game.

I understand the core definition of Harem; the girls are yours, you don't share. I'm more interested in a new setting/theme, for example: A lot of Harem games have no challenge most of the time. No rivals. No competition. It's almost always 18 year old innocent schoolgirls with an occasional milf teacher here and there. I'm trying to gauge if people want to break out of this, perhaps out of boredom, and try a different approach to Harem. One that involves competition, but if you fail that competition, you'll get NTR'ed. If you hypothetically disable the NTR, you also disable the competitive aspect.

I'll rephrase it with words that will perhaps make you understand the absurdity of this: Is being sodomized by a big black cock as penalty having any interest to KKK members ?

I edited your question a bit and would like other people to answer it if possible.

"Is the risk of your women being fucked by a rival enemies cock (as a penalty) of any interest to the those who enjoy Harem, but hate NTR? This means there's an element of competition, but if you defeat your rivals, it should make the reward of winning a girl over and adding her to your Harem that much sweeter."

So, if you love Harem, but hate NTR, would you still play a Harem game where NTR can happen as a penalty if you fail a set of challenges? Is this of any interest to those who play Harem? Basically, there's risk, or would a Harem Lover/NTR hater simply discard the game entirely, not being in the mood for any type of challenge?

Also, I really need to know if Harem Lovers/NTR Haters are okay with recruiting women who are already corrupted and whorish into their Harem, or is this a total turn off? Looking more for an explanation of why they like or don't like it.

In about a month, I will start a new poll, something along the lines of: "Would you give this game a chance? Harem game, where NTR is a consequence of failing challenges needed to add a girl to your harem?"

EDIT:

To any future developers. The formula for making a game with both Harem & NTR, is that the NTR is a consequence of failing a set of challenges while trying to add girls to your harem. If the render methodology is done correctly, you could make a game that caters to both audiences while making sure 80% of the renders can be enjoyed by both the Harem lovers & NTR lovers; note, renders will require variations which then requires a variation render methodology so it takes up very minimal time. That way one side doesn't feel they're funding a game in which they only see 50% of its content.

One more note. After playing a few Harem games, there's rarely any challenge in them. Without challenge, the reward of adding the girl to your harem feels shallow and empty. By adding NTR, you can add an element of risk,, which enhances the emotional depth, while also pleasing another audience.

I've about wrapped up my time in this thread. I look forward to anyone who would answer all the questions I've asked in earlier posts in this thread, but I probably won't respond to them. Don't want to bump the post too much.

 

[Virulenz]

Getting: Do you have any desire to get a girl that is a complete whore or do you only want to get girls that are innocent virgins, or do you like both?

Big sis and me run a shelter IRL...i am more interested in hunting down and annihilating pimps, rapists and similar useless waste of air, than in getting whores...those who sell/rent themselves out of their free will are mentally too far away to be of any interest for me and those who dont do it willingly deserve help, but that dont make me want them at all...
Naturally i prefer virgins and pure lesbians.

Keeping: By keeping, do you mean protecting your girls from a rival/enemy who is trying to steal them away?

...you are really twisted, you know that? Keeping is keeping, not replacing them as soon as you see an other girl, thats the difference between monogamy/assholes and polygamy/harem...personally i never had rivals...every girl who want to have fun with any other girl can go for it and if a girl wants a guy she is instantly dead for me. I'm lesbian and the thought alone disgusts me too much to ever go down on her again...and in games i even see less worth in such girls. Its hard enough to play a MC with a dick, i dont need to see a second one. Every (unavoidable or only skipable) ntr results in deleting the game and ignoring the topic to never accidentally download it again.

Caring: Romantic kind of caring rooted in love, or taking care of them as if they're mere sex objects, or both?

...again, totally twisted. Your strange way of thinking made it even impossible to understand that some people just care about others WITHOUT demanding something. Little real life example: Big sis is the only human i ever loved, we are both polygamous and have many girls for fun, sex and orgys (well, less since corona, but thats not the point, it just gives me more time to answer strange questions)...most of them since 10+ years (remember the "keeping" part?) and we care about them, not as lovers, not as objects, just as humans, some as friends. Listening, helping out, distract them, ...caring. Thats why they always come back, even if they are not horny. Its the difference between seeing them as humans and seeing them as meat.

Are you down for Harem, but if you fail you get NTR'ed?

No. A girl who joins a harem willingly wants to be with the people in it...and girls who dont want to be a part of it are either up for some 1on1 fun or forgotten as soon as you turn around, so no chance for ntr. Girls who are against their will in a harem are nothing but slaves...and fucking a slave without masters permission is a double death sentence, the only good thing about slavery.

Do you think most people who play Harem are down for competition, to make the reward of getting the girl that much sweeter, or is competition something they're trying to avoid?

I can read as many minds as you, so answer yourself ^^
Personally i dont see any reason to put work into something you can get without work. Why should i work a game if i want to play a game? There is not even a competition IRL, its all about a yes or a no for a little fun...same with group fun or regularly fun...i can understand the annoying waste of time in games with a love theme (even if i dont know that experience myself), but i dont understand how so many games waste ingame weeks or months to get into some pants if all you need to do is ask and have fun or search elsewhere.

 

[woody554]

You call them "complete assholes", so that must mean you think very little of them; that they're just opportunistic bitches. What would you want to do with women of whom you think very little of? Is there any room for potential eroticism that a Harem player might enjoy? I've read some comics where a bitchy girl ("complete asshole" as you call them), gets mind controlled and then turned into the protagonists sex slave, as a means of gaining revenge. Is this common at all in Harem?

Anyways, I'm doing my own research, but no matter how much research I do, I'll never truly understand the perspective of someone who hates NTR, but loves Harem. So I NEED that feedback from them. I try to find it in other threads, I'll find it eventually since I've only just begun researching.

Any information shared in this thread will be available to be searched for on the forum, which can help other developers.

Also, I see people facepalming my posts. Share some thoughts if you can in a response. I'm here to absorb as much feedback as possible.

my point is about the required 'weakness' aspect which I find incredibly weird. it implies I have only practical value, I'm a tool they need for something that's prevented if I have the weakness. when I meet people who treat me based on something like that, I immediately leave them behind because there's nothing good coming with users. doesn't matter what their superficial temperament is, whether they pretend to be nice & naive or hard bitches, they're only interested in me as a tool. I'm only worth something because they can use me. and that makes them assholes.

luckily though people like that are very rare, almost all people want to be kind to people. they do fail at it for all kinds of reasons, but their motivation is not whether they can use me for something or if my weakness prevents it. when people LOVE people, it's always DESPITE their weaknesses, and often even BECAUSE of the weakness.

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harem vs ntr, I don't think those can ever go together. the reason is that in a harem you're in a relationship with several people, where as in ntr you're in a relationship with zero people. even if she's your wife, the core NTR point is you're NOT getting her affection but instead she's giving it to someone else. keeping sex slaves is not a harem just because there are multiple women. and them staying with you conditioned by you hiding your true (weak) self is manipulation, not love.

is there an opportunity for eroticism? sure, absolutely. all kinds of corruption/degradation scenarios come to mind without looking. but it's not gonna satisfy a harem fetishist and even less non-ntr people. there are no ways to smuggle ntr to people who are not into it, there's no common ground to be found. it's like trying to push straight sex to gay guys, they're not gonna be aroused by it regardless of how much you love pussy. it simply doesn't trigger the required chemicals in the brain.

 

[woody554]

One more note. After playing a few Harem games, there's rarely any challenge in them. Without challenge, the reward of adding the girl to your harem feels shallow and empty. By adding NTR, you can add an element of risk,, which enhances the emotional depth, while also pleasing another audience.

yeah... I totally get that point and absolutely agree with the challenge part. and ntr would be an extremely convenient way to create that challenge. but the trouble as I see is the following: the second your NTR content becomes arousing to an NTR enthusiast, it also becomes a dealbreaker for everybody else. but if you don't cross that line the NTR people won't get anything from it either. so it's a catch 22. you can have romantic rivalry, you can have jealousy, but you can't show any sexual content with the other guy without consequences.

I'm trying to gauge if people want to break out of this, perhaps out of boredom, and try a different approach to Harem.

people don't get bored of their fetish. a fetish is not a choice but a trait. only people without the fetish can get bored with it.

 

[HandofVecna]

Innocent but not a push over.

 

[WIRProductions]

Your first two choices basically describe someone who has to walk on eggshells or else the girls are going to skip and run at a moments notice. That does not sound like much of a harem at all.

Your second pair of choices sounds like like the dude wants his entire harem to Domme him. Unique, and could work in theory, so good luck with that.

If this poll is to see what people would buy into for a game, just make your own game how you see fit. You're going to burn out real quick otherwise trying to cater and/or pander to others. Make your game and if others like it, great. If they don't, oh well, either stop making it or do something else. I say this people from what the average scroll through people's reactions on here/other places are for harems is 'all mine, no one else gets to touch'. Go against that mantra and you've lost that segment of people.

 

[HarveyD]

I went with total fail poll. Define weakness.
Plus just mentioning they'll leave you if you "show weakness" makes you sound like a dude bro alpha wannabe, even if you aren't.

 

[Asphalt891]

Now I don't want to get too deep into the lore of what people say or whatever people like or anything, but my personal preferences will have to lie with a character that's genuinely enjoyable to be around with. Sure, I'm a bit more biased for women who have chest sizes that are more normal rather than back-breaking, but I can still enjoy being around those characters if they're just a walking riot that can give me a good laugh.

It's probably because I'm more of an author than a viewer, where I regularly criticize characters in my thoughts rather than making them public, and I just generally want to see well-made characters who are treated like people, and not some fleshlight running on some code to act like this or that.

If anything all I want is Not talk to some walking fleshlights who look as if they're running on some code, I mean if you can do that then all I'd have is a can of praises lol.
Legit though! You can actually create an endearing storyline with this kind of premise or setting, but if you really can't create strong characters (strong in the sense of actual personalities), then it's going to be a drop for many people's appeals.

You could have all the features in an RPGMaker game, or anything for that matter, and completely rework the genre, but if you're gonna have dead-beat characters whose personalities are copy-pasted from another character,
Then might I suggest putting just as much effort if not more, to creating characters that are enjoyable to be with. Granted, enjoyable if very subjective, and my tastes in that kind of personality may differ from another person's,
But that doesn't make it any less a good character, part of a good character is to be disliked by another person, so don't be afraid to make that step when it counts.

 

[RedPillBlues]

Honestly why don't you just make the game you want, all your polls fall into one direction, so you probably know what you want, so just do it.

I dont know why he thinking faced you, It must be obvious to everyone but him. Kind of tragic.

Do you think most people who play Harem are down for competition, to make the reward of getting the girl that much sweeter, or is competition something they're trying to avoid?

No, why do you think they play harem games? They play it because they are feel good games that let the player get with a bunch of girls without any worry. A life that to anyone but maybe an Arabian oil prince is nothing but a dream. Your premise of used hallways for harem members that you constantly have to struggle for is not going to draw in most of that crowd, if even a small minority.

Just make your game and enjoy making it. Like I've said before, if all you care about it money (starting to think you do) just make a generic Harem + Incest game. You're complicating it too much.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

Personally I always try to avoid girls that include any kind of domination or BDSM. I don't like the submissive too much, and the alpha either does not entail dominance (as is usually the case). Regarding sadism masochism, I don't like either of the two, so in my case I would avoid all options.

In the first two options I would put the friend zone.

Regarding the third and fourth, if she wants to dominate something she can buy a dog. I don't like evil and bitchy people, so I would surely send her to shit (or more possibly throw her out of the buncker).

On the other hand, that the girl is innocent is fine, but it is not a premise that I give too much importance to.

I would actually prefer a loving girl with whom to establish a romantic relationship.

I understand the core definition of Harem; the girls are yours, you don't share. I'm more interested in a new setting/theme, for example: A lot of Harem games have no challenge most of the time. No rivals. No competition. It's almost always 18 year old innocent schoolgirls with an occasional milf teacher here and there. I'm trying to gauge if people want to break out of this, perhaps out of boredom, and try a different approach to Harem. One that involves competition, but if you fail that competition, you'll get NTR'ed. If you hypothetically disable the NTR, you also disable the competitive aspect.

If I can disable the NTR I will

I edited your question a bit and would like other people to answer it if possible.

"Is the risk of your women being fucked by a rival enemies cock (as a penalty) of any interest to the those who enjoy Harem, but hate NTR? This means there's an element of competition, but if you defeat your rivals, it should make the reward of winning a girl over and adding her to your Harem that much sweeter."

So, if you love Harem, but hate NTR, would you still play a Harem game where NTR can happen as a penalty if you fail a set of challenges? Is this of any interest to those who play Harem? Basically, there's risk, or would a Harem Lover/NTR hater simply discard the game entirely, not being in the mood for any type of challenge?

If I have a guide that allows me to avoid all NTR, it's possible.

Also, I really need to know if Harem Lovers/NTR Haters are okay with recruiting women who are already corrupted and whorish into their Harem, or is this a total turn off? Looking more for an explanation of why they like or don't like it.

I don't like that kind of girl. I don't like corruption in general.

In about a month, I will start a new poll, something along the lines of: "Would you give this game a chance? Harem game, where NTR is a consequence of failing challenges needed to add a girl to your harem?"

EDIT:

To any future developers. The formula for making a game with both Harem & NTR, is that the NTR is a consequence of failing a set of challenges while trying to add girls to your harem. If the render methodology is done correctly, you could make a game that caters to both audiences while making sure 80% of the renders can be enjoyed by both the Harem lovers & NTR lovers; note, renders will require variations which then requires a variation render methodology so it takes up very minimal time. That way one side doesn't feel they're funding a game in which they only see 50% of its content.

One more note. After playing a few Harem games, there's rarely any challenge in them. Without challenge, the reward of adding the girl to your harem feels shallow and empty. By adding NTR, you can add an element of risk,, which enhances the emotional depth, while also pleasing another audience.

I've about wrapped up my time in this thread. I look forward to anyone who would answer all the questions I've asked in earlier posts in this thread, but I probably won't respond to them. Don't want to bump the post too much.

Personally I would only play if I knew in advance the options that the NTR will avoid, I'm not too risky. I have to point out that I never play more than one ending, so if I don't like the path I'm following, I can end up leaving the game if I have to repeat a large part of it.

 

[Banality]

The Poll is a complete FAIL.
When it is about Harem and you not include "All of them" as answer. you lost the race before you started
I could troll around this topic way more, but i am not the demographic it was made for.
I don't engage in GAMES that much, that i "hate" or "love" Harem or NTR. Both can be funny or stupid... if incest included always cringe... but that's all.
PS: Where are the other girls of the "Harem" in the Poll-Questions? Or is it supposed to be the "First pussy to get"?

 

[Pidgeons]

Ooh, that's a hard one. It'd have to be a completely different person for me. I'd have to go with evil or innocent, bitchy or not, 18-58 year old that is absolutely incapable of friend-zoning me, and may or may not try to dominate me and may or may not be submissive from the start but is submissive the moment I touch her, even suggest that I'm going to, or simply whip out my cock.


I definitely don't claim my preference to be realistic at all. XD

 

[Uthuriel]

What is it with you and sadistic and masochistic?
Have you actually met real people?

My advice. Close the F95 tab in your broweser. Take a deep breath and go outside for once.

 

[baxtus]

Sexy, innocent and shy, and even a bit weak (physically, emotionally, etc.), but with a hidden dominant streak that starts to emerge as you get to know her and she becomes more comfortable with you and she starts to assert herself over you and take power

 

[tanstaafl]

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• A different personality & scenario you failed to list that I'll explain in the thread.

Where's the cool best friend type of gal that you trade insults with in between shagging?