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I think you completely missed the point how Yujiro almost identically to Baki based his life as oppossition to his father which is the point of them walking the same path.
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Going into this thread and seeing people making literal Everests out ant hills like most of these complains are just upset that the game doesn't cater to their specific interest like there are possibly hundred of games are there that can satisfy you guys, right? No way this porn shit is that serious, right? Like why do we even mention politics again instead of, idk, fapping to baddies or some shit?
 

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Going into this thread and seeing people making literal Everests out ant hills like most of these complains are just upset that the game doesn't cater to their specific interest like there are possibly hundred of games are there that can satisfy you guys, right? No way this porn shit is that serious, right? Like why do we even mention politics again instead of, idk, fapping to baddies or some shit?
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Well, why not. There were men in real history who knocked down a bull with a punch. You can google it.
Ahahaha... aha... no. There hasn't been. I grew up farming, there isn't a single human on the face of the fucking planet that could bare fisted knock a bull out with a punch. I have seen a COW twist a corral panel when she freaked out and they aren't made to ram full force into bears like a bull is. Even bears only go after young bulls, and if you think you could knock a bear out you are fucking out of it lol. You live in a fantasy world, ironically. A bull can shatter your shoulder without even meaning to hurt you, it can just try to warn you and it would literally rip your shoulder from its socket.

Your analogy is bullshit. No fucking way, having a rude answer for every dialogue is a fucking player choice. It was even in the first two Baldur's Gates. In some dialogues, you could even break the 4th wall with rudeness and nothing, all normal people consider Baldur's Gates masterpieces.
BG1/2 mostly keep the blatantly rude options for things that aren't narratively important... a better example would be Arcanum, but even then it gets connected to a bunch of things like intelligence, charisma, speech checks etc. With the writing team we have we give as many options with meaning while confirming to the character of Redic. Providing this set for everything gets old and laboured/forced
  • Meanie Bo Beanie: "Grrr, I mad, I edge, you suck! Grrr!
  • Nice: "Uuuu, I nice, you nice. We nice!"
  • Neutral: "Pointless option that leads to Nice outcome"
  • Speechcraft: "Pointless option that leads to Nice outcome"
So... we don't. It improves our options and writing a lot.

Of course, Redick is not an idiot, he is just a personification of the authors of the game and nothing more. He is an empty fucking nothing. He has no motives other than the most obvious, no character that would distinguish him from the crowd. Such people are literally the pinnacle of our world. Go look at Musk, Eminem, Trump, a bunch of random dictators from Africa, etc. Isn't that enough for you? They literally hold the world by the balls thanks to their personal qualities which are almost always negative in the opinion of all sorts of random clowns who have devoted too much time to philosophy. It's funny to listen to such nonsense about racism from you. Heinrich Kramer, Pierre de Lancre, Matthew Hopkins, these names don't mean anything to you? Well, google them, lol. I have a strong feeling that I'm talking to another flat-earther, lmao.
Funny that the fanbase for Trump is so heavily skewed with flat earthers but you seem to worship him but... Trump is a good example actually! How many of his former staffers are with him? Why isn't he running with his former Vice President? Why does everyone in his administration and even his wife seem to hate him and speak badly of him now? With Musk, Confinity outright ousted him because of his general behaviour and they were afraid he'd kill the company (He wanted to detach from Ebay which was their lifeblood at the time). But these two men have one very important common factor! They had nearly a billion dollars in family money.

Eminem is a pretty nice dude in person, most accounts of fans and people in his personal life say he is a good guy who tries to do right by everyone around him. When it comes to dictators in Africa, do you realise the ones who aren't charismatic in some form typically fall to assassination or ousting by another junta etc? You need to be a reasonably likeable/loved/feared person and that almost always requires some form of institutionalised power that sets you up to get there. The ones who survive manage to sway enough people to follow them, at least immediately... or they get deposed. One thing they taught us in the RCMC, you can be competent... you can be firm, the toughest son of a bitch out there, but if your men won't follow you'll charge alone.

Bro, just because a city is a trading city doesn't mean there is no racism there. Google how people lived in Istanbul under the Ottoman Empire or any other large cities. Almost always, foreigners were evicted to separate areas so that there would be no misunderstandings between locals and visitors. I don't fucking know who taught you history, but that person doesn't deserve his diploma. No, fucking Luka from Monster Girl Quest. What does random shit from Nitroplus have to do with it? I have full respect for Urobochi Gen, but his sci-fi is so-so.
Wat... there is, kobolds suffer from a lot of prejudice in general and it created a loop where kobolds are basically held in a disadvantage spiral. They are small and can't compete with most labour jobs that underprivileged people rely on to get by, and often are forced into lives doing the scrap work people see as beneath them/demeaning, or crime. There's some suspicion around ogres because of their diminished sense of guilt compared to other peoples, and they are often typecast as brutish hulks despite them not being any less intelligent than any other people. Novencians are seen as rich, haute, and spoiled... and this can affect them in negative ways.

But it is a trade city that is a major cultural mosaic. Contact exposure is one of the best and undeniable ways to acclimate and make people more comfortable/accepting of other peoples, customs, and cultures. The Ottoman Empire is... a really shit example. Before the Ottoman Empire, during the Byzantine or Latin eras, the place was a hub of various peoples and even cultures. YOu can see architecture from all across the ancient world showing up in Istanbul, and while there were some cultural hubs where people gravitated towards, before the Ottoman Empire it was one of the most accepting places, especially as Constantinople. The Ottoman Empire was inherently isolationist and an extremely fundamentalist state that attempted to reject the world in general and establish a fucking Caliphate. So... nice try, but I know my history, habibi. Like, no shit. A caliphate wanted to eject and segregate people.

Constantinople even kind of languished after the fall, most of its academics, wealthy, etc fled and spread across the globe.[.. did you know the fall of Constantinople is actually credited for the spread of science and innovation that would move across europe in the late 1400s? Post WW1 and the fall of the Ottoman empire and mandates would open the city up again.

Ah, never played monster girl quest. Not into the whole shota thing personally, so I have no idea if his character has any depth to him or not.

Your animation is so-so, to put it mildly, especially compared to the people I gave as an example. Look again at the works of Itte Umezawa and Takeda Hiromitsu, that's how animation should look, not like yours, you can also look at the works of NTRMAN, his animation is also not bad.
Again keyframes I mentioned in my first response to you, keyframe is different from rigged. Zone has a lot of rigged stuff earlier when you originally cited, and our rigged animations look a lot better than the early zone rigged ones, but now Zonemixed keyframe with rigged and yeah it's hard to match keyframe animation with rigged. But tbh... looking through some of your examples, we honestly have more amplitude to our stuff which is surprising as the main advantage of keyframe is how much amplitude and deformation you can do. So yeah I am actually even more confident in the amazing job our animators have done after your examples. A lot of our rigged animations look as good, or even better, than some of this keyframe. I honestly would have never thought that was possible. More than proud of the job Zla and Krawa have done.

t's funny, by the way, that your main character from your own game, according to your logic, also doesn't do anything and doesn't achieve anything. Except for random fucks with whores. By the way, wouldn't you like to introduce venereal diseases into the game, since you're making a "realistic game about consequences"?
Akshually, there are venereal diseases in our setting and there's even a joke about banging Iski, though humans and Lizardfolk don't really have many shared STIs. But one of the best ways to stave-off STIs is... surprise, hygiene. STIs in the Roman Empire were actually pretty rare, same as the Greeks... despite the fact they stuck their dicks into anything, and their women would stick anything in their vag. Because of good hygiene. That's actually one of the major contributing factors to the increase in prevalence in STIs all the way to the 1800s when disease all across the board frankly spiked because people's hygiene actually got worse between the 1500-1900s. Personal hygiene is pretty common in our setting, and Redic honestly doesn't stick his dick in places you generally wouldn't want to. He's not fucking slums prostitutes, for instance. But yes, Syphilus, gonorrhoea, and chlamydia are a thing. As well as crabs, obviously.

The difference between Yujiro and Baki is that Yujiro created his destiny and his life entirely by himself. He is the author of his own destiny. And Baki has been trying to surpass his father his whole life, first for revenge, and then for approval. They are not even on the same level, lol. To live a life of your own complete self-control or to be another NPC, for me the choice is obvious. Cool, I thought we were adults here who had outgrown the belief in first love and other nonsense, but it turned out that I was talking to some naive fool. It's even really cute when you meet such a naive cutie on a porn site and have long dialogues with him, lmao. And Yujiro doesn't achieve anything, firstly because he's obviously not the main character, and secondly, he's already achieved everything. The whole world fears him and trembles before him. Are you suggesting sending him into space so that he can also strike fear into aliens? I
Yujiro created nothing, he just exists. His existence gives nearly no value to the world. He is literally a parasite who never lived up to his own father's life and never was fulfilled as he was. Hence why he moves around nomadically, leeching from other people's lives vicariously. He is one of the most dangerous things in the world the zenith of so much, but he has... nothing. He is, nothing. He even feared just the sight of his own father and flipped out being judged by him and... his entire life became nothing but trying to leave a legacy. Because he know he has achieved and built nothing.

Except for Baki. Who has out grown, out achieved, out done his father in every facet of life.

And he made the miso soup.
 
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Going into this thread and seeing people making literal Everests out ant hills like most of these complains are just upset that the game doesn't cater to their specific interest like there are possibly hundred of games are there that can satisfy you guys, right? No way this porn shit is that serious, right? Like why do we even mention politics again instead of, idk, fapping to baddies or some shit?
Distracting myself when I get fatigued writing actually helps re-jog me for some reason... plus I am a brain broken mother fucker that loves history, politics, and Baki.

Funny thing is I hated Baki before Arbuz was like "Ey buddy I lik'a the Baki." Ended up loving that shit haha.





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there isn't a single human on the face of the fucking planet that could bare fisted knock a bull out with a punch.
It is quite wlll known in certain circles. There is an urban legend coursing through the karate dojo's for a decades about how one of senseis was able to one-hit the bull. Not neseccary in the head though. It originates from the principle that a true karate master should strive for this level of mastery - to knock down a bull with one blow.
The point with Elden Ring is that it doesn't hold your hand, It doesn't tell you where to go or what to do and yet is still extremely popular, that's just one example that shows games don't need to treat their players like babies to be successful.
Thw thing is Elden is not a game which is supposes to "play with one hand". People searching for soulslike expect soulslike experiance. People searching for decent porn games expexting decent porn games.
Like when you threw a tantrum because you obviously didn't read and couldn't figure how to progress and called the devs idiots because the game didn't spoon-feed you hard enough.
What is obvious to you, not obvious to everyone else, thats why we have languages - to share thoughts. I've read all the dialogs and run a few circles around that room with dozens of loading(which is broken btw, coz there is no indication - are saving or are you loading.) An I DID NOT SEE THE FUCKING DOORWAY. So - no, I do not agree to see this the right way. Not after I saw hundreds of examples - good and bad, comlex and simple.

Going into this thread and seeing people making literal Everests out ant hills like most of these complains are just upset that the game doesn't cater to their specific interest like there are possibly hundred of games are there that can satisfy you guys, right? No way this porn shit is that serious, right? Like why do we even mention politics again instead of, idk, fapping to baddies or some shit?
I think you are miskateken here. In politics there is rule - you should focus on those who is neither your supporter nor opponent to sway them your way. Coz your supporters alredy yours and swaying your opponents will take too much of your resources. In games in particular rules slighty are different.
Gaming is about fun and emotions. And the opposite side of emotions is indifference. If people dont give a fuck - they ignore.
Those who runting here is (en masse) interested in the project(,aybe art, or kins in tags) and tried to play, but dissapointed for some reasons. They are potential audience. Those who dont give a fuck usually don't bother themselves to explain their indifference. Main question - is how devs going to work with that. What will they do? Will they choose to ignore? Or to convince? Or to make some changes? Either way it will be their responsibility whether they fail or win.
"...Win the crowd and you will win your freedom" or something like that.
 
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I think you are miskateken here. In politics there is rule - you should focus on those who is neither your supporter nor opponent to sway them your way. Coz your supporters alredy yours and swaying your opponents will take too much of your resources. In games in particular rules slighty are different.
Gaming is about fun and emotions. And the opposite side of emotions is indifference. If people dont give a fuck - they ignore.
Swaing people on the fence and such, yeah. There's validity in that, but the responses to Denji is just masturbating for me, basically. There's no swaying anything there haha. Someone like you? Maaaaaaaaaaybe but we have to know our own audience too, and if we go to a rock paper scissors thing we might actually drive our fans and community.

We need to figure a way to have a living breathing believable world and not over-sell details or quests to people because, Orlox is right, if we start putting markers and arrows and yellow paint, people will stop engaging with and paying attention to the lore and the world and just looking at markers and paint.

There's a medium between accessibility and immersion/engagement. The... sword had a clear objective for instance haha. And ALT can highlight it.

The hiding area, I think its fine. It'd be better if we had an animated turning to slow the turning and looking down and more pacing and such, and we need to populate that room with 10+ bandits with their backs turned in the living area. That way people understand WHY you can't be caught.
 

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It is quite wlll known in certain circles. There is an urban legend coursing through the karate dojo's for a decades about how one of senseis was able to one-hit the bull. Not neseccary in the head though. It originates from the principle that a true karate master should strive for this level of mastery - to knock down a bull with one blow.

Thw thing is Elden is not a game which is supposes to "play with one hand". People searching for soulslike expect soulslike experiance. People searching for decent porn games expexting decent porn games.

What is obvious to you, not obvious to everyone else, thats why we have languages - to share thoughts. I've read all the dialogs and run a few circles around that room with dozens of loading(which is broken btw, coz there is no indication - are saving or are you loading.) An I DID NOT SEE THE FUCKING DOORWAY. So - no, I do not agree to see this the right way. Not after I saw hundreds of examples - good and bad, comlex and simple.


I think you are miskateken here. In politics there is rule - you should focus on those who is neither your supporter nor opponent to sway them your way. Coz your supporters alredy yours and swaying your opponents will take too much of your resources. In games in particular rules slighty are different.
Gaming is about fun and emotions. And the opposite side of emotions is indifference. If people dont give a fuck - they ignore.
Those who runting here is (en masse) interested in the project(,aybe art, or kins in tags) and tried to play, but dissapointed for some reasons. They are potential audience. Those who dont give a fuck usually don't bother themselves to explain their indifference. Main question - is how devs going to work with that. What will they do? Will they choose to ignore? Or to convince? Or to make some changes? Either way it will be their responsibility whether they fail or win.
"...Win the crowd and you will win your freedom" or something like that.
There are like 2 people ranting and ranting over here and they are honestly borderline mental for ranting about a fucking door instead of spending 2 seconds on the quest log. It is absolutely baffling that the state of gaming had been reduced to, do we need 10 different markers on one fucking doors? Should we use crayon for texts next time?
 
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Ahahaha... aha... no. There hasn't been. I grew up farming, there isn't a single human on the face of the fucking planet that could bare fisted knock a bull out with a punch. I have seen a COW twist a corral panel when she freaked out and they aren't made to ram full force into bears like a bull is. Even bears only go after young bulls, and if you think you could knock a bear out you are fucking out of it lol. You live in a fantasy world, ironically. A bull can shatter your shoulder without even meaning to hurt you, it can just try to warn you and it would literally rip your shoulder from its socket.



BG1/2 mostly keep the blatantly rude options for things that aren't narratively important... a better example would be Arcanum, but even then it gets connected to a bunch of things like intelligence, charisma, speech checks etc. With the writing team we have we give as many options with meaning while confirming to the character of Redic. Providing this set for everything gets old and laboured/forced
  • Meanie Bo Beanie: "Grrr, I mad, I edge, you suck! Grrr!
  • Nice: "Uuuu, I nice, you nice. We nice!"
  • Neutral: "Pointless option that leads to Nice outcome"
  • Speechcraft: "Pointless option that leads to Nice outcome"
So... we don't. It improves our options and writing a lot.



Funny that the fanbase for Trump is so heavily skewed with flat earthers but you seem to worship him but... Trump is a good example actually! How many of his former staffers are with him? Why isn't he running with his former Vice President? Why does everyone in his administration and even his wife seem to hate him and speak badly of him now? With Musk, Confinity outright ousted him because of his general behaviour and they were afraid he'd kill the company (He wanted to detach from Ebay which was their lifeblood at the time). But these two men have one very important common factor! They had nearly a billion dollars in family money.

Eminem is a pretty nice dude in person, most accounts of fans and people in his personal life say he is a good guy who tries to do right by everyone around him. When it comes to dictators in Africa, do you realise the ones who aren't charismatic in some form typically fall to assassination or ousting by another junta etc? You need to be a reasonably likeable/loved/feared person and that almost always requires some form of institutionalised power that sets you up to get there. The ones who survive manage to sway enough people to follow them, at least immediately... or they get deposed. One thing they taught us in the RCMC, you can be competent... you can be firm, the toughest son of a bitch out there, but if your men won't follow you'll charge alone.



Wat... there is, kobolds suffer from a lot of prejudice in general and it created a loop where kobolds are basically held in a disadvantage spiral. They are small and can't compete with most labour jobs that underprivileged people rely on to get by, and often are forced into lives doing the scrap work people see as beneath them/demeaning, or crime. There's some suspicion around ogres because of their diminished sense of guilt compared to other peoples, and they are often typecast as brutish hulks despite them not being any less intelligent than any other people. Novencians are seen as rich, haute, and spoiled... and this can affect them in negative ways.

But it is a trade city that is a major cultural mosaic. Contact exposure is one of the best and undeniable ways to acclimate and make people more comfortable/accepting of other peoples, customs, and cultures. The Ottoman Empire is... a really shit example. Before the Ottoman Empire, during the Byzantine or Latin eras, the place was a hub of various peoples and even cultures. YOu can see architecture from all across the ancient world showing up in Istanbul, and while there were some cultural hubs where people gravitated towards, before the Ottoman Empire it was one of the most accepting places, especially as Constantinople. The Ottoman Empire was inherently isolationist and an extremely fundamentalist state that attempted to reject the world in general and establish a fucking Caliphate. So... nice try, but I know my history, habibi. Like, no shit. A caliphate wanted to eject and segregate people.

Constantinople even kind of languished after the fall, most of its academics, wealthy, etc fled and spread across the globe.[.. did you know the fall of Constantinople is actually credited for the spread of science and innovation that would move across europe in the late 1400s? Post WW1 and the fall of the Ottoman empire and mandates would open the city up again.

Ah, never played monster girl quest. Not into the whole shota thing personally, so I have no idea if his character has any depth to him or not.



Again keyframes I mentioned in my first response to you, keyframe is different from rigged. Zone has a lot of rigged stuff earlier when you originally cited, and our rigged animations look a lot better than the early zone rigged ones, but now Zonemixed keyframe with rigged and yeah it's hard to match keyframe animation with rigged. But tbh... looking through some of your examples, we honestly have more amplitude to our stuff which is surprising as the main advantage of keyframe is how much amplitude and deformation you can do. So yeah I am actually even more confident in the amazing job our animators have done after your examples. A lot of our rigged animations look as good, or even better, than some of this keyframe. I honestly would have never thought that was possible. More than proud of the job Zla and Krawa have done.



Akshually, there are venereal diseases in our setting and there's even a joke about banging Iski, though humans and Lizardfolk don't really have many shared STIs. But one of the best ways to stave-off STIs is... surprise, hygiene. STIs in the Roman Empire were actually pretty rare, same as the Greeks... despite the fact they stuck their dicks into anything, and their women would stick anything in their vag. Because of good hygiene. That's actually one of the major contributing factors to the increase in prevalence in STIs all the way to the 1800s when disease all across the board frankly spiked because people's hygiene actually got worse between the 1500-1900s. Personal hygiene is pretty common in our setting, and Redic honestly doesn't stick his dick in places you generally wouldn't want to. He's not fucking slums prostitutes, for instance. But yes, Syphilus, gonorrhoea, and chlamydia are a thing. As well as crabs, obviously.



Yujiro created nothing, he just exists. His existence gives nearly no value to the world. He is literally a parasite who never lived up to his own father's life and never was fulfilled as he was. Hence why he moves around nomadically, leeching from other people's lives vicariously. He is one of the most dangerous things in the world the zenith of so much, but he has... nothing. He is, nothing. He even feared just the sight of his own father and flipped out being judged by him and... his entire life became nothing but trying to leave a legacy. Because he know he has achieved and built nothing.

Except for Baki. Who has out grown, out achieved, out done his father in every facet of life.

And he made the miso soup.
Well, if you haven't seen it, then that doesn't happen. People who are categorical are almost always idiots, guess why? Masutatsu Oyama, google that name, you moron and never try to be categorical again, especially if it exceeds your meager imagination. No, it doesn't improve things. It just shows that you don't give a shit about the players and all you want is to create your own Mary Sue in your game. You absolutely don't know how to conduct any kind of discussion in which your opponent turns out to be right. I've shoved your face into your own diarrhea several times already, but you still won't deign to comment or admit that you're wrong. In fact, you're only showing yourself as a politicized hysteric from California, lmao. You're just a regular nerd, just like in your American comedies, lol. You know absolutely nothing and yet you're talking about topics that are as far from your miserable life as your game is from being called "good". This conversation is so pointless that I think we should make a collage out of it and nominate it for the Pulitzer Prize. And as for Baki, how come Yujiro didn't create anything? Are you fucking nuts? He beat up a few Americans and even impregnated Diana, a real slap in the face of American suprematism, lmao. I won't even mention that he created Baki and Jack. Literally. As for the fact that he saved people, I suppose you, as an American, aren't too interested in hearing about it, but he also made a cult of himself. And he creates a ton of shit every day. Just like every other person on the planet, so by your logic we are all creators.

He is a billion times cooler, even as a fictional character, than you will ever be in real life.
 

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Swaing people on the fence and such, yeah. There's validity in that, but the responses to Denji is just masturbating for me, basically. There's no swaying anything there haha. Someone like you? Maaaaaaaaaaybe but we have to know our own audience too, and if we go to a rock paper scissors thing we might actually drive our fans and community.

We need to figure a way to have a living breathing believable world and not over-sell details or quests to people because, Orlox is right, if we start putting markers and arrows and yellow paint, people will stop engaging with and paying attention to the lore and the world and just looking at markers and paint.

There's a medium between accessibility and immersion/engagement. The... sword had a clear objective for instance haha. And ALT can highlight it.

The hiding area, I think its fine. It'd be better if we had an animated turning to slow the turning and looking down and more pacing and such, and we need to populate that room with 10+ bandits with their backs turned in the living area. That way people understand WHY you can't be caught.
That comment was about people runting not about any instructions. RGB battle system was just one particular example of what I meant about simplyfying - and only coz you asked about details, not because I want it to be exactly like that. All my examples and ideas have only one purpose - example of "how it can be". Markers was just an example as well as highlighting the doors.
Any creator build his project from some ideas and examples they saw here and there. These are the bricks from which he builds the palace of his game.
But all I can do is to write my opinion and present some decent arguments. To use them, to ignore them, to discard them - your personal decision, as creator. There is dozens of gamedesign books with thousands of examples for every game aspect. And few dozens of rules - what to do and why exactly.
Only you choose - ignore them or use them, it is your decision, as it is gamedesigner responsibility to have complete exhaustive vision of the project inside his head. Should he fail to do so, or should he succceed, should he listen or should he not - his personal responsibility. All the rules and "how to"s will not change - regardless of using or discarding.

As for "a living breathing believable world and not over-sell details" - details is huge part of what makes the world alive. Imagine the room with one armchair and a window. Is it alive enough? What if you turn the chair a little - so that the rays of light from the window illuminate it a little from the side ? What if you add an open book lying on it and a cup of steaming tea on the floor nearby? Will it make the room more alive or less?

There are like 2 people ranting and ranting over here and they are honestly borderline mental for ranting about a fucking door instead of spending 2 seconds on the quest log. It is absolutely baffling that the state of gaming had been reduced to, do we need 10 different markers on one fucking doors? Should we use crayon for texts next time?
Try to actually read my messages before replying next time. Maybe you'll see what I tried to say.
 
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It is quite wlll known in certain circles. There is an urban legend coursing through the karate dojo's for a decades about how one of senseis was able to one-hit the bull. Not neseccary in the head though. It originates from the principle that a true karate master should strive for this level of mastery - to knock down a bull with one blow.

Thw thing is Elden is not a game which is supposes to "play with one hand". People searching for soulslike expect soulslike experiance. People searching for decent porn games expexting decent porn games.

What is obvious to you, not obvious to everyone else, thats why we have languages - to share thoughts. I've read all the dialogs and run a few circles around that room with dozens of loading(which is broken btw, coz there is no indication - are saving or are you loading.) An I DID NOT SEE THE FUCKING DOORWAY. So - no, I do not agree to see this the right way. Not after I saw hundreds of examples - good and bad, comlex and simple.


I think you are miskateken here. In politics there is rule - you should focus on those who is neither your supporter nor opponent to sway them your way. Coz your supporters alredy yours and swaying your opponents will take too much of your resources. In games in particular rules slighty are different.
Gaming is about fun and emotions. And the opposite side of emotions is indifference. If people dont give a fuck - they ignore.
Those who runting here is (en masse) interested in the project(,aybe art, or kins in tags) and tried to play, but dissapointed for some reasons. They are potential audience. Those who dont give a fuck usually don't bother themselves to explain their indifference. Main question - is how devs going to work with that. What will they do? Will they choose to ignore? Or to convince? Or to make some changes? Either way it will be their responsibility whether they fail or win.
"...Win the crowd and you will win your freedom" or something like that.
Masutatsu Oyama did this, it's not an urban legend lol. There are official photos that prove his actions.
 

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Swaing people on the fence and such, yeah. There's validity in that, but the responses to Denji is just masturbating for me, basically. There's no swaying anything there haha. Someone like you? Maaaaaaaaaaybe but we have to know our own audience too, and if we go to a rock paper scissors thing we might actually drive our fans and community.

We need to figure a way to have a living breathing believable world and not over-sell details or quests to people because, Orlox is right, if we start putting markers and arrows and yellow paint, people will stop engaging with and paying attention to the lore and the world and just looking at markers and paint.

There's a medium between accessibility and immersion/engagement. The... sword had a clear objective for instance haha. And ALT can highlight it.

The hiding area, I think its fine. It'd be better if we had an animated turning to slow the turning and looking down and more pacing and such, and we need to populate that room with 10+ bandits with their backs turned in the living area. That way people understand WHY you can't be caught.
Which actually demonstrates how this idiot treats the community of his game. Loser tries to convince everyone around him of his superiority, are you by any chance Ayanokouji's brother?
 

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Masutatsu Oyama did this, it's not an urban legend lol. There are official photos that prove his actions.
Yup, thats why I said "well known in CERTAIN CIRCLES". Not everyone knows who exactly Masutatsu Oyama was. For the rest - it is an urban legend.

Which actually demonstrates how this idiot treats the community of his game. Loser tries to convince everyone around him of his superiority, are you by any chance Ayanokouji's brother?
Well, are you aware we are discussing a game on a shady third patry site with NO actual way of knowing if we are his patrons. To have the willpower to discuss his project here - you have to give him the credit if only for that)
And - no, don't know anyone named Ayanokouji.
 
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Yup, thats why I said "well known in CERTAIN CIRCLES". Not everyone knows who exactly Masutatsu Oyama was. For the rest - it is an urban legend.


Well, are you aware we are discussing a game on a shady third patry site with NO actual way of knowing if we are his patrons. To have the willpower to discuss his project here - you have to give him the credit if only for that)
And - no, don't know anyone named Ayanokouji.
This post wasn't for you, but for the developer who wrote that he masturbates to how he "asserts himself" in a dialogue with me. And it doesn't matter whether someone here is a patron of his shitty game. Doesn't it bother you that he even manages to "masturbate" to someone else's dialogue?
 

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That comment was about people runting not about any instructions. RGB battle system was just one particular example of what I meant about simplyfying - and only coz you asked about details, not because I want it to be exactly like that. All my examples and ideas have only one purpose - example of "how it can be". Markers was just an example as well as highlighting the doors.
Any creator build his project from some ideas and examples they saw here and there. These are the bricks from which he builds the palace of his game.
But all I can do is to write my opinion and present some decent arguments. To use them, to ignore them, to discard them - your personal decision, as creator. There is dozens of gamedesign books with thousands of examples for every game aspect. And few dozens of rules - what to do and why exactly.
Only you choose - ignore them or use them, it is your decision, as it is gamedesigner responsibility to have complete exhaustive vision of the project inside his head. Should he fail to do so, or should he succceed, should he listen or should he not - his personal responsibility. All the rules and "how to"s will not change - regardless of using or discarding.

As for "a living breathing believable world and not over-sell details" - details is huge part of what makes the world alive. Imagine the room with one armchair and a window. Is it alive enough? What if you turn the chair a little - so that the rays of light from the window illuminate it a little from the side ? What if you add an open book lying on it and a cup of steaming tea on the floor nearby? Will it make the room more alive or less?


Try to actually read my messages before replying next time. Maybe you'll see what I tried to say.
All i am seeing is you getting mad over the devs not putting crayons on the door. I fear you will combust the moment you touch any strategy games with that kind of mentality

And honestly rereading it, its seem like you only engage with this game for the porn. Which....is eh, i think its just not the styles the devs are aiming for so i think keep arguing about this issue is just a lost cause
 
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Masutatsu Oyama did this, it's not an urban legend lol. There are official photos that prove his actions.
did check up out of curiosity and lmao
i dunno how im supposed to believe a man messing around with sleepy bull standing around. An animal which capable of this effortlessly you just MECHANICALLY unable to exert enough force to twist bulls head if he resists as a human. You literally dont have enough weight to do that even if i ignore the muscle strength needed. Oyama might've being a strong fighter, but i somehow doubt he could break laws of physics.
 
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Going into this thread and seeing people making literal Everests out ant hills like most of these complains are just upset that the game doesn't cater to their specific interest like there are possibly hundred of games are there that can satisfy you guys, right? No way this porn shit is that serious, right? Like why do we even mention politics again instead of, idk, fapping to baddies or some shit?
I just arrived and read the last page here. WTF is going on here hahaha
 

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All i am seeing is you getting mad over the devs not putting crayons on the door. I fear you will combust the moment you touch any strategy games with that kind of mentality

And honestly rereading it, its seem like you only engage with this game for the porn. Which....is eh, i think its just not the styles the devs are aiming for so i think keep arguing about this issue is just a lost cause
Good thing you did not read the post about battle system. I can only imagine what would you said about my commitment to the rock-paper-scissors game.

So...erocomix authors started developing an erogame with sex scenes. Which is "its just not the styles the devs are aiming for". And discussing it on the porngames forum. Sounds legit.
 
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