VN Ren'Py Project Myriam - Life and Explorations [Ch. 5.02+p] [Zorlun]

[PBS666]

But if you do them with the correct version of renpy sdk, it will always work

I beg to differ. The latest versions of MacOS impose quarantine on about everything not downloaded from the App store of from an identified developer. Even the Ren'Py SDK gets quarantined nowadays.

 

[Kassan06969]

I beg to differ. The latest versions of MacOS impose quarantine on about everything not downloaded from the App store of from an identified developer. Even the Ren'Py SDK gets quarantined nowadays.

Use to happen on Windows version by Norton, too.

 

[PBS666]

AV in Windows

Use to happen on Windows version by Norton, too.

Sure, but I suppose you could temporarily disable the AV or allow for an exception. On Mac nowadays not anymore, unless you know your way around with the command line.

 

[Zorlun]

I appreciate the reply and honestly it makes sense. Can I just I appreciate the fact you didn't villify me for questioning elements of the story. Def going to look into supporting you on a platform.

Why would I vilify you, as long as people are not assholes and stay polite, I don't see any reason to not explain.
That being said, I will in all honesty say that I can some times be snarky in some answers, but hey, everyone has its bad days... ^^

 

[SuperPerv96]

Every character has a role and purpose in the game, Katherine has hers and it's one of the most important in the game towards Myriam, she's the beacon of hope and love to her, she symbolize the relationship that will never go or change, whatever happens in her life, the unconditional love between mother and daughter. This is why there will be no corruption road for Katherine and why I choose to not go even in the potential love interest road between the two, because they don't need it, they love each other and will always be there for one another, I wanted to keep this as pure as possible.

But I understand the frustration from the player perspective, sorry to disappoint on that part, I know that the sweetness they have may make people want more, but if I do, something will be lost.

Altho i would love to see some Myriam/Katherine content, now that i understand your point of view i appreciate it

 

[Josephkink_2H]

Incest patch for 3.11 (updated) below

As usual, caveat emptor (even if your are not actually buying anything )

Mega

Previous version already eliminated, to save space and avoid mistakes.

Please notice, the walkthrough mod and this patch are not compatible, because both modify the code

Do you have one for 3.12 yet?

 

[DIRTY Filthy RAT]

Hello, Im kinda new to this VN and completely new to this forum, but I wanted to take my time to share my views on this game.

First of all, I wanted to play "female protagonist" where you actually take control of her. Overall, I feel I can control her quite well, I can make her a full slut or a "nun", but what I dont like is that certain actions dont have consequences.

They cum in me? nothing, no STS, no pregnant, nothing.
I get abused under drugs? Nothing, just a small remorse, no more.
My kid becamos abusive and manipulative showing clear dark triad traits? No problem, I suck a cock and its mine to keep him abussing me, no psychologist or , neightbour social worker sees nothing.
I keep a teenager in constant bait for sex? No problem, she is 007 perfect spy, no one notice anything and he doesnt even drop grades.

I like that you can fine tune the MC life, but I would like her to face consequences if she goes too far on a dark path. Like, she is a teacher, wants to work as a teacher, and now she is posing naked for mainstream magazines, and nothing will happen.

Ok, another topic. I like tension, the novel implies certain tension, like the rich art collector peackoing his dong, or the rape+beastie of the start. That is awesome. But sometimes I feel its rushed into a quick sex scene. During the time she was nude in the male changing room, or naked at the shower, I knew nothing would happen, so tension is gradually evaporating because again, she never face consequences.


Im a hung man, RL, so I was interested in the "big dick" trait to see your ideas for interesting big dick characters. My real life style is the same as the rich art collector, peacoking and later make her admit she loves it once in sex and her frame is gone. Bragging or things like that never worked for me. What I feel is that the big dick thing quickly becomes a sausage fest that makes no sense. It started with the driver after the party, a parody oversized cock. Then came the black policeman, but once you get to Mr. Little its just ridiculous. Let me explain my point of view:

By the time she goes down on Mr Little, he had shown ZERO attractive traits. At the beggining he was creepy as fuck. Later he was eager, fast paced, anxious and neurotic, zero attractiveness. He is later too much of a nice guy, too polite, too pleaser, again zero attraction, actual attraction killers. But, she admits to go on a date (actually you choose but its clear you have to in order to score BDick points). My view is that Mr L is not a character, is just a piece of meat, the graphics of his cock are just plain parody and kills any mood, and having sex with extreme oversized cock is not that way.

Real life story. I know a cuban guy with a 11 out of 10 body, acceptable face with georgeous smile and a 10 FAT inches cock.I've never seen anyone in my life anyone having an easier time with women, but let me tell you something, Ive never seen in my life someone with less "client retention rate", and that was not his option, its his fate.

Overall, I like the adventures, I cutted down early the animal parts and the kids parts, but I dont know how to turn off the "fantasy" parts. The game cutted itself the 2 cops line and already started a "cheating on Mr boring piece of meat" wich I appreciate. The rest, nice story of rebuild, rediscovery, growth... Keep going, Im looking forward for more. And please, if you are going to get dirty with Katherine, remember its her anchor to sanity, iff Katherine falls, she should fall too.

 

[Hrk19]

Well its the weekend, hope the incest patch won't take too long now

 

[ouch2020]

They cum in me? nothing, no STS, no pregnant, nothing.
I get abused under drugs? Nothing, just a small remorse, no more.
My kid becamos abusive and manipulative showing clear dark triad traits? No problem, I suck a cock and its mine to keep him abussing me, no psychologist or , neightbour social worker sees nothing.
I keep a teenager in constant bait for sex? No problem, she is 007 perfect spy, no one notice anything and he doesnt even drop grades.

I like that you can fine tune the MC life, but I would like her to face consequences if she goes too far on a dark path. Like, she is a teacher, wants to work as a teacher, and now she is posing naked for mainstream magazines, and nothing will happen.

Keep in mind that Zorlun has indicated there could be consequences later on, e.g. if she goes for the porn thing, Myriam could end up being effectively a porn actress.
Also, you seem to be expecting an automatic mechanism like "cum inside=guaranteed pregnancy", being a game, it does not pretend to be scientifically correct, but even that, would be a moral approach, even in real life, it is not so automatic (who said that Myriam does not take the pill, even if also that does not give 100% guarantee, and cannot get access to the "day after pill" ?) - though also remember Zorlun has already indicated at least one of the possible endings include pregnancy for Myriam.
Plus, you misunderstood something, she is (not yet , depending on the choices) systematically posing naked for mainstream magazines or doing porn, she only had one session as "muse", so it is normal that there are no big consequnces (yet, at leats).
Also, she is not a teacher, she is an athletics coach, there are a number of World class athletes who had sexy pictures taken of them while still being athletes, and I recall discovering someone called Podkapova (I honestly did not know who she was) is a former gymnast who went on to Playboy and then to porn (never seen any, don't even know how she looks like).
True, the lady in question does not do (I think) athletics anymore and is not a coach, but still, if you had e.g. a World class tennist who had sexy topless microbikini (and maybe more pictures) willfully taken for some magazine like FHM or Playboy (I don't mean Internet fakes), would you now want to have her teach tennis to your, anyway already not little kids, sons and daughters ?
It's true in USA (where the game is loosely located) they tend to be more strict on some things (despite the size of their porn industry ), but that depends also on the place, and on the parents, some may be more open than others. Also true that being a good athlete does not make automatically a good coach (that is a misconception, sometime a much more mediocre athlete may be a better coach than a World champion), but in the case of Myriam, the game suggests she is a good coach.

About the "abused under drugs", there was already an exchange touching that, about "rape". In RL I never went on with a drunk or otherwise "high" one, and if she is unable to consent or to provide a "valid" consent ("valid" is where the ambiguity can start), it can be considered equivalent to rape or almost (e.g. sexual assault) in many jurisdictions, but that is based on the victim deciding she was a victim.
Myriam is clearly almost never feeling like a victim, more like someone that once she starts exploring new things, loses the control (or not, depending on the player choices).
If you look well, till now, even when Myriam is submissive, she is kind of chosing to be submissive (or better, the player is chosing for her ), even if with time that can become an automatic habit (which is more realistic that some could think).
Exploring and not stopping early enough can even seem a bit adolescential, but in reality, it is kind of normal if she was (as in the game) constrained, and now is discovering and exploring her freedom.
The only cases where it was really purely forced on her and she was not getting excitiment and pleasure out of it (aside eventually the shower at the beach, but even there, she decides to let the guy continue, it's only at the end that she has the delusion, were with Anthony, with the Russian mobster assault and in the alley after meeting with the curator at the bar, but if you noticed, in all three cases, she can, and does, depending on the choices of the player, to different extents, assert herself not to be a pure victim, even if with Anthony it took longer.
I can even tell you a real case of someone, admittedly younger than Myriam (but still well above legal age) who ended up willingly doing something under influence, getting in the "we did it so we are a couple" mode, then only when discovered the guy had never had any intention of being a couple, just to use her, and was shagging around (though it was quite notorious and not very hidden, and reason why she had not been interested in him in the first place), moved to "exploited victim consciousness" and felt bad about it (but in the situation, it was out of the question doing anything legally).
Effectively, you have in the last couple of updates the possibility for Myriam to e.g. realise the cops are two assholes and dump them, feeling upset and bad at having done stuff with them, so it is not true she does not feel anything about the things that happen, it is up to you how you want her to behave - though being a more experienced women, and in reality not as weak as some would portray her, she is more upset and enraged with them, then depressive.
So, in its being an unrealistic erotic game, the game is actually more realistic than people give it credit for (I would say unfortunately for some things, but that is already a kind of judgement, and not on the game ).
Again, Zorlun has already said that later on, there will be consequences of the choices made, and in reality, there are already some.
E.g. you can cut out completely bestiality and the "fantasy" scene by chosing the right option at the start, you can avoid completely, or stop (in more than one occasion) completely certain "activities" with Marc, and if you don't, that has consequences in the way the story and Myriam develop.

By the time she goes down on Mr Little, he had shown ZERO attractive traits. At the beggining he was creepy as fuck. Later he was eager, fast paced, anxious and neurotic, zero attractiveness. He is later too much of a nice guy, too polite, too pleaser, again zero attraction, actual attraction killers. But, she admits to go on a date (actually you choose but its clear you have to in order to score BDick points). My view is that Mr L is not a character, is just a piece of meat, the graphics of his cock are just plain parody and kills any mood, and having sex with extreme oversized cock is not that way.

About the big stuff ;-), you may feel it "closer home", since make some reference also to yourself, but about the usual caveat of "it's a game", I can make you two references unrelated but in reality related.
Years ago, a guy tried to pick-up a girl I knew by going with the "if you go black, you never go back", with the BBC idea. Apparently (I was not there) the conversation after was nice enough to get him some points, but by clear indication of the girl to me, that phrase had killed everything.
You seem to suggest that the idea of Cleavon being so nice, polite, pleaser, is wrong because someone so hung (well, of course Zorlun has even exaggerated a bit ) would not be that way, would get the girl thanks to being good looking and so well endowed, and then be dumped, given the reference to the Cuban guy you know.
Men are almost always obsessed with size, not women. At least some women may also want to try the size for curiosity, but if the man cannot add up something after, that interest will not last long - as you said yourself, "meat".
Food parallel, I love to eat a big steak, but after I have eaten it, my interest for it is gone, and I love to eat it, but if it was everyday the same, it would get boring very fast.
Remember also that many men forget that is perfectly possible to get a woman to have great pleasure just by stimulating the rights spots in the right way, no need to use your dick, and many women like that a lot, not only for the sexual pleasure itself, and become very "collaborative" and "appreciative".
Plus, don't forget that there are women who really go for a constant streak of asshole they see/confuse as "human alpha male" (writing "human", because it is a false myth that in the animal world it works like that), but others, after they had some assholes, even if they may still like some intense and maybe even rough activity, will also appreciate someone who is "mister nice guy".
Said in less phylosophical terms, for some women, big dick and intense and occasionally even rough fucking, but also nice, sweet and polite, is actually considered a jackpot, so, depending on how one makes Myriam and her life go, it is not at all strange that she may like Cleavon, and his behaviour can also be, even if in the limits of a game simplification, be actually a good way to go to catch her.
Life is about variety

 

[ouch2020]

Do you have one for 3.12 yet?

Yes/no. Have it, but need to go through it to do at least a first check (others will do a second). Lost myself in writing a long reply nobody will read here , and I have some other RL stuff to do, but it should nonetheless arrive still today, as I just wrote, I had already done, it is just that I need to go through it to correct something, and if I can find the time, I would like to do a complete playthrough to check if I left something way back (but the complete playthrough, I may need to do only at the next update, since it needs to cover various paths).

 

[botc76]

Zorlun also said quite a few time already, in this thread, there won't be sexual content between Myriam and Katherine.

Well, that's a pity, there goes one significant reason for me playing the game. It's certainly not Marc, that disgusting, touchy-feely creep.

 

[botc76]

Also, she is not a teacher, she is an athletics coach, there are a number of World class athletes who had sexy pictures taken of them while still being athletes, and I recall discovering someone called Podkapova (I honestly did not know who she was) is a former gymnast who went on to Playboy and then to porn (never seen any, don't even know how she looks like).
True, the lady in question does not do (I think) athletics anymore and is not a coach, but still, if you had e.g. a World class tennist who had sexy topless microbikini (and maybe more pictures) willfully taken for some magazine like FHM or Playboy (I don't mean Internet fakes), would you now want to have her teach tennis to your, anyway already not little kids, sons and daughters ?

Why? Do you think she is a worse coach, because she had this kind of pictures? I don't see how that even has anything to do with her giving tennis lessons.
I'm not a prude, and I certainly don't think a few risky or sexy pictures in a magazine are signs of any negative character traits.
Even if someone did porn once and got out of the industry and decided to teach again, it's not like that would mean she'd try to have sex with her pupils.
That's quite a weird way to look at the topic, always surprising how judgemental and prudish people on this porn forum here are.

 

[kaczy091]

Does anyone have a savegame before the events of the pool with his son , ( submission path + whore )

 

[Zorlun]

First of all, thanks for taking your time to share your thoughts. The first part is kind of your metaframing of the situation, so that's personal and I dont have much to say. I will skip to other parts.



As I told you, bragging never worked for me. You have to fuck her brain first, but peacocking, planting the seed and letting the idea run through her head, is what worked for me. So we agree on that. Women have this "antislut shaming alarm" instinct. If you brag, it triggers and it destroys everything.

In VN, I guess writters need to put something in their chat boxes, so my suggestion is to write them on her thoughs part of it rather than on his talks if you want to have a succesful interaction, and opposite if you want him to fail.




No, that was not the point. I know black men with psychological problems, both for too much and too little. Society is putting too much stress on black cocks nowadays, and underperformers are not having exactly good times. Its not like "if its big you should have this big dick energy", no no, thats false. Many BDicks have very small dick energy like Mister L.

What I pointed is that a character that seems to be written for scoring points in the BDick and Interracial kinks, so its slut side of events, have zero attractiveness so you end up accepting just a piece of meat. I dont agree with the attractiveness of "Mister nice guy", I think that is confort, not attraction, and girls nowadays dont open their legs for comfort.




Wrong! Women are 2000% more obsessed in size than men. Again another story, in my local Salsa/Bachata social circle, there is a "secret" EXCEL with men bulge sizes, perceived size while dancing, BDick confirmations, BDick surprises and BDick deceptions, mantained for years and has hundreds of rows... Just an example. But man, that is not just a local thing, check Cosmopolitan online, they have a famous bulge section in front of everyone to see.

What many people dont get is that, as we men have "party girls" and "relationship materials", girls have "party cocks" and "daily cock" preferences, and they are VERY different. Similar to what you wrote about the meat thing.

VN abuse the party cocks and put them into daily ones (understandable). What they dont acknowledge is that once you pass 8 inches and you fuck at least medium rough, the girl will have pain the day after. And that is about length, but girth is even worse, once you pass a certain threeshold (depends on the woman), its the most painful experience for a girl, no matter how she relax, lube or takes it slow. If you know young eager women, you will see this trend of her going bigger and bigger calling herself "size queen" until she finds THAT ONE that goes beyond her limits, and 48 hours later she just shuts down that size kink, sometimes forever, sometimes for loooong time. Size doesnt work the way porn portraits.

What I was expecting to be fair, is her to have this "too much" point with the black cop. I was expecting her saying "man, this is too much I preffer the other guy big one, only oral for this horse" considering how ridiculous they were presented. And later with Mr boring piece of meat I was expecting the same. But direct bareback to ultimate pleasure, man, at this point take out those characters and swap them with orcs or aliens, it makes no sense.

My point is that Myriam started as a funnier and quicker version of AWAM while remaining cool and deep, but at that point I was watching a parody game like Manila Shaw. It broke the frame for me, I had in both cases to put it down and come back days later trying to "forget" about it.




I dont know about that scientific search of alpha males in animals or humans. But there is a truth about human behaviour, we organise ourselves in hierarchies, accepted or not, and women are attracted to the higher ones they believe they can achieve.

Wealth is a proxy for intelligence.
Height, six pack and death star shoulders are a proxy for good genes and protection.
Power or popular position is a proxy again for intelligence and protection.

Fat, non groomed, no job or low class one, are proxies for low quality genes and low protection.

Dark triad traits, disagreableness, etc.. even if they are obvious problems, showcase that the man can survive and thrive even with those "constraints", so they are also proxies for high competence.
Agreableness, neuroticism, "nice guy" qualities, are proxies for approval seaking and lack of psychological strength. Women love STRONG men, not just in muscle.

We evolve and improve because women chose their better options, as much as men hate that their are not chosen. Call them alphas, call them winners, call them whatever you want, but there are men with more points than others and women fall for them.

If a woman choses a low point man, its because she either believes that he is the best she could score (low selfsteem, depression, bad life choices, etc..), or because the man serves her a short term purpose (early child support) and later gets rid of them. The "I fall for sensitive nice guys, they are my thing" is a post rationalisation that men love to ear and easily fall for it. Or in other words, its a lie. I agree women need attraction AND comfort, but women that claim they are 100% into comfort traits is something any should stay away from, because its a convenient lie that many men want to believe.

That is why I dont get the Mr L character. She is posing "almost" naked for high profile man. She is having sex with rich art collectors. She is having social openings to high status circles. The neurotic creepy major makes no sense as her option. Its like 3/4 steps down for her, makes no sense.


I want to finish this stupid long text with another suggestion, same as I did with Katherine. There is one trait that really breaks the previous. An unexpected one that bends "women rules". That trait is CREATION, the ability to create, either in the way of art (music, painting, dancing, writting) or a way of thinking (philosophers, comedians, etc...). You could explore that...

First I will say, sorry but I didn't read everything, I don't want to be an ass but I'll be honest, wall of texts like that just always give me the effect of cold showers, as you can see in the game, I always try to cut shorts in the writing, I like to be concise and had always to fight with my teachers in school with my incomprehension to the rule of writing a minimum set of pages when less would be more effective and comprehensive instead of turning around in circle to water down my ideas.

So first thing, it's just a game, even if I wrote with a fairly realistic setting, it's still fantasy, this is not to be taken too seriously, let's be honest it's a porn game and will often work with porn logic even if I try to stay true to the characters I wrote. After that always keep in mind that like in art everything is subjective, if I put something in the game, it will be interpreted ten different manners by ten different persons, meaning I have a vision for the game, but each player has its own and if I can argue that my vision is the right one as the author, once it's in the hands of the player he's free to interpret has he wish and make the game his own.

Which brings me to the interpretation of the character of Myriam, I wrote her coming from a very rich family certainly, but she's also very down to earth, growing up in a ranch and with some fairly over protected education, leading her to be a very nice and naive woman with some psychological baggage. She wasn't raise to care much about the money she had and don't judge people with that standard, so if she find Charles charming and interesting, she's not impressed by the 'bling', in that aspect, the affable and passionate Cleavon is has much interesting to her. After that, for the rogue gallery of character and assholes, that seem less admirable, well, I wrote the character as fairly opened and gentle, and come back to the porn logic, she's nice and I offer the player to see her opening up to a large panel of possibilities, but in the end if she can have sex with some, not all will be romance possibilities.

In the end, you follow a woman that lived in a golden cage and crippled by a terrible partner, and like an over protected kid that becomes free when discovering the student life, the player is free to make her go crazy with the possibilities of her new found freedom or making her more cautious and assured, taking her life in hand as she see fit.

And now I will go bend my head in shame for this wall of text after complaining against just that. ^^

 

[mikej147]

I understand the feeling, but if my updates can seem short, they are done monthly (when everything goes as it should).
Why not take more time and make them bigger?
Well simply by respect to my patrons, they are supporting me monthly, it seems to me that giving them something monthly also is the least I can do for them.

It's two different occasions given to you to do it, the first being only on a specific run (avoiding the cop dates) and second for everyone, there may be other occasion later on.
For now it doesn't have any incidence on the game, but it will in the future (far off, it's a choice that will have it's importance in later chapter).

I appreciate all the time and work you've put into this despite frivolous complaints from the people on here getting the content for free. Question: And new content with the son?

 

[Birdmiester]

Well I just finished playing the new update, and wow what an interesting ending!! Here we have Myriam leaving her house with both kids for an evening out, and she meets face to face with her deranged ex husband at the door. He pulls out a gun and shoots her point blank. So my question is this; is this the end of our beloved Myriam? Is this the end of the story? I mean getting shot at such close range could only really mean that she has no possible chance of survival. If Anthony shoots her, what are the chances he would do the same to both kids, and then to himself, making it a murder/ suicide. Who knows? I guess we just have to wait and see in the next chapter.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Well I just finished playing the new update, and wow what an interesting ending!! Here we have Myriam leaving her house with both kids for an evening out, and she meets face to face with her deranged ex husband at the door. He pulls out a gun and shoots her point blank. So my question is this; is this the end of our beloved Myriam? Is this the end of the story? I mean getting shot at such close range could only really mean that she has no possible chance of survival. If Anthony shoots her, what are the chances he would do the same to both kids, and then to himself, making it a murder/ suicide. Who knows? I guess we just have to wait and see in the next chapter.

Since we are far from the game's ending, my guess is that Myriam reacted fast before he was able to shot her head and beat the crap out of him.

 

[xapican]

Or somone else shot him, before he could pull the trigger, the suspension will last til the next update !

 

[Zorlun]

Well I just finished playing the new update, and wow what an interesting ending!! Here we have Myriam leaving her house with both kids for an evening out, and she meets face to face with her deranged ex husband at the door. He pulls out a gun and shoots her point blank. So my question is this; is this the end of our beloved Myriam? Is this the end of the story? I mean getting shot at such close range could only really mean that she has no possible chance of survival. If Anthony shoots her, what are the chances he would do the same to both kids, and then to himself, making it a murder/ suicide. Who knows? I guess we just have to wait and see in the next chapter.

Thank you for the love and support for the game, it's always nice to hear, but please, this is a very big spoiler, edit your message to hide it using the spoiler function.

EDIT: And no, this is not the end of the game, just the end of chapter 3.

 

[honihole]

Since we are far from the game's ending, my guess is that Myriam reacted fast before he was able to shot her head and beat the crap out of him.

Could be.
I think Casius is going to have brunch.