VN Ren'Py Project Myriam - Life and Explorations [Ch. 5.08a+p] [Zorlun]

[Snugglepuff]

I don't agree with that. Myriam is the protagonist, so as the player you are her, so you're choices ultimately determine what path she takes. So you as Myriam, are choosing whether she becomes corrupted or not.

She's not being corrupted.
Nor is she corrupting anyone.

The core of her morality doesn't change, and she's definitely no innocent.

That's different from a male protagonist, who would try to manipulate other women into making decisions that would corrupt them.

No, it's not.
Male or female protagonist is entirely irrelevant when it comes to corrupting and being corrupted.

Whether you're manipulating women or simulating them making very dubious choices, the end result is still the same.

Yes... You don't understand women very well. Just like men, they're not all the same carbon-copy stereotype.

Just because (too) many female protagonists are "meat puppets" for porn tropes, doesn't mean that all of them are.
The same goes for major and minor female characters.

That's what makes this a good female protagonist game - Myriam isn't just a prop for porn scenes, she's an actual character with personality and character development, and she influences those around her.
Hell, with Marc she provides the opportunity to "purify" him and his attitude towards Myriam... Probably women in general too.

They end up doing stuff they probably wouldn't have done, without your input.

Not quite.
As I said, the core of Myriam's morality does not change. Prime example, is that she'll never have sex with her daughter under any circumstance, despite being able to have an interest in incest and lesbianism.

To reiterate, she's already curious about/interest in the various kinks available.
We just let her explore them - It's her sexual liberation.

 

[Zorlun]

I don't agree with that. Myriam is the protagonist, so as the player you are her, so you're choices ultimately determine what path she takes. So you as Myriam, are choosing whether she becomes corrupted or not. That's different from a male protagonist, who would try to manipulate other women into making decisions that would corrupt them. Whether you're manipulating women or simulating them making very dubious choices, the end result is still the same. They end up doing stuff they probably wouldn't have done, without your input.

In my opinion it's not a corruption game, or at least not fully one, the game revolve around her exploring, on multiple possibilities, some do revolve around some sort of "corruption" if you like, but not all plot lines revolve around it, and the game in itself do not revolve around it, it's more of a porn sandbox than anything else I would say.

But that being said, players can absolutely concentrate their gameplay around the plot lines centered around "corruption" and push her into the extremes, and there will be some endings centered on that.

Though it's only how I feel working the game, how people take the game and live it is something else all together, in my life as an artist one of the thing you get to learn fairly quickly is that once you release a creation to the public, you can't force people to see what you want and neither stop them from interpret it as they want.

 

[Snugglepuff]

in my life as an artist one of the thing you get to learn fairly quickly is that once you release a creation to the public, you can't force people to see what you want and neither stop them from interpret it as they want.

In all fairness, that's dependant on how open to interpretation something is.
There are right and wrong interpretations for many things, and others where there isn't a right and wrong one.

It's like with the (pre-Disney) Star Wars movies, and how Lucas "planned it all out" despite all the evidence to the contrary, or how "they were always about Anakin Skywalker".

 

[cebs]

Android port updated​

 

[Zorlun]

In all fairness, that's dependant on how open to interpretation something is.
There are right and wrong interpretations for many things, and others where there isn't a right and wrong one.

It's like with the (pre-Disney) Star Wars movies, and how Lucas "planned it all out" despite all the evidence to the contrary, or how "they were always about Anakin Skywalker".

You would be surprised of the crazy shit people can see in the most innocent and/or bland artwork. ^^

 

[ccxvidonaferens]

Wish there was a sex scene with the molester at the subway. I think the last time Myriam had a scene at the subway is only with a handjob.

Patience Padawan. It's not possible to do progress every storyline in every update. I'm sure it will come along eventually.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

She's not being corrupted.
Nor is she corrupting anyone.

The core of her morality doesn't change, and she's definitely no innocent

You say the core of her morality isn't changing. But how can that be the case, when she's allowing herself to be sucked into a relationship with Marc, having sex with her dog and horse, and cheated on her partner? All things that she would have previously considered to be reprehensible. She's doing so many things, that she would have never dreamed of doing in the past. Which her former self would have been horrified about, if someone else had suggested that she was going to do those things in the future. The reason why she's able to do those things, without feeling really bad about it, is because her morality has changed. She's become more open to doing things, that a large chunk of society ( including her former self) , would view as immoral.

How many times in the past did she tell Marc, that what they were doing was wrong, and they couldn't do it again? Does she say these things anymore? She doesn't because her core of morality has changed

Yes... You don't understand women very well. Just like men, they're not all the same carbon-copy stereotype.

Women in adult games are caricatures, they don't bear any resemblance to women in real life. Myriam for instance is a nympho slut, and has more sexual partners in one day, than the vast majority of women in real life, have in their entire lives.

I get that her personality isn't typical. She's intelligent, generous and caring, and not just the usual sex-crazed bimbo who often turns up in these games. But Myriam is one of the most promiscuous characters in adult game history. So she's still stereotypical from that perspective. She basically has sex with virtually every person she meets, and you can't get more porn tropy than that

As I said, the core of Myriam's morality does not change. Prime example, is that she'll never have sex with her daughter under any circumstance, despite being able to have an interest in incest and lesbianism.

This is not correct. Prior to this game she wasn't indulging in incest, she wasn't having sex with her pets, she wasn't having lesbian sex, or gangbangs, or cheating on her partner. The example you give is irrelevant, because her attitude to incest has changed completely, from not doing it at all in any circumstances, to doing it regularly with at least one person. And your interpretation that she's already interested in these kinks, but just not exploring them, is simply not true. At the start of the game, Myriam thinks most of these kinks are wrong, and that normal people don't do them. She changes her mind about this, because her sense of morality is challenged by people that she trusts, like Evelyn and Edward

 

[TomUK]

You say the core of her morality isn't changing. But how can that be the case, when she's allowing herself to be sucked into a relationship with Marc, having sex with her dog and horse, and cheated on her partner? All things that she would have previously considered to be reprehensible. She's doing so many things, that she would have never dreamed of doing in the past. Which her former self would have been horrified about, if someone else had suggested that she was going to do those things in the future. The reason why she's able to do those things, without feeling really bad about it, is because her morality has changed. She's become more open to doing things, that a large chunk of society ( including her former self) , would view as immoral.

How many times in the past did she tell Marc, that what they were doing was wrong, and they couldn't do it again? Does she say these things anymore? She doesn't because her core of morality has changed


Women in adult games are caricatures, they don't bear any resemblance to women in real life. Myriam for instance is a nympho slut, and has more sexual partners in one day, than the vast majority of women in real life, have in their entire lives.

I get that her personality isn't typical. She's intelligent, generous and caring, and not just the usual sex-crazed bimbo who often turns up in these games. But Myriam is one of the most promiscuous characters in adult game history. So she's still stereotypical from that perspective. She basically has sex with virtually every person she meets, and you can't get more porn tropy than that


This is not correct. Prior to this game she wasn't indulging in incest, she wasn't having sex with her pets, she wasn't having lesbian sex, or gangbangs, or cheating on her partner. The example you give is irrelevant, because her attitude to incest has changed completely, from not doing it at all in any circumstances, to doing it regularly with at least one person. And your interpretation that she's already interested in these kinks, but just not exploring them, is simply not true. At the start of the game, Myriam thinks most of these kinks are wrong, and that normal people don't do them. She changes her mind about this, because her sense of morality is challenged by people that she trusts, like Evelyn and Edward

Actually she did indulge in incest before, she admits to the shrink she had some sort of sex with her brother, and she only commits incest in this game if you use the incest patch.

She doesn't have to cheat on her partner, that is your choice for her to cheat if you can even call it that, after all she doesn't 'cheat' until after catching her partner cheating (raping his secretary).

No one has forced her to have sex with her pets except herself, except for that rapist Cassius, although Hammer did force himself on her the second time, but at the same time you as the player always had the choice whether to go there or not.

So, she had sex with her brother in the past, she seduces her high school coach in the past, so she has previous in the things you're saying she didn't. Her own partner/husband basically forces her in to her first gangbang, a lot of women after a split from a long term partner have entertained the possibility of a lesbian relationship, but yet again it is, as the player, your choice.

And with Marc, yet again, it is your choice as the player what sort of relationship she has with him.

 

[TheLecher]

Actually she did indulge in incest before, she admits to the shrink she had some sort of sex with her brother, and she only commits incest in this game if you use the incest patch.

What she admitted was that she let her brother watch her get dressed and undressed. That's certainly sexual in nature, but it's a far cry from having sex with her brother.

 

[Snugglepuff]

That's certainly sexual in nature, but it's a far cry from having sex with her brother.

True, but it does speak volumes about her character that we haven't had any influence or "corruptive influence" over, since it's from her past.

 

[Saint Blackmoor]

Has anyone noticed the writing is a bit off in this update? Spelling mistakes, repetitive dialogue.
It's probably just me.
This could have the dialogue written backward; I would still love it.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Actually she did indulge in incest before, she admits to the shrink she had some sort of sex with her brother, and she only commits incest in this game if you use the incest patch.

She doesn't have to cheat on her partner, that is your choice for her to cheat if you can even call it that, after all she doesn't 'cheat' until after catching her partner cheating (raping his secretary).

No one has forced her to have sex with her pets except herself, except for that rapist Cassius, although Hammer did force himself on her the second time, but at the same time you as the player always had the choice whether to go there or not.

So, she had sex with her brother in the past, she seduces her high school coach in the past, so she has previous in the things you're saying she didn't. Her own partner/husband basically forces her in to her first gangbang, a lot of women after a split from a long term partner have entertained the possibility of a lesbian relationship, but yet again it is, as the player, your choice.

And with Marc, yet again, it is your choice as the player what sort of relationship she has with him.

Snugglepuff was suggesting there was no change in her morality in the game at all. That's obviously incorrect. Because her morality changes considerably over the course of the whole game. It doesn't matter whether you personally choose for her to avoid all that content, because lots of people don't and her morality consequently changes.

She doesn't have sex with her brother, she just lets him watch her undressing. That's hardly incest. And I never said anything about her never having sex prior to this game. Obviously she did, she was in a relationship with Anthony, and before that she had a husband who died. She was obviously pretty experienced at sex. But that's very different from most of the sexual kinks, that she's been indulging in during this game. Are you also saying she can't be corrupted, by Anthony trying to make her do stuff? After that gangbang, she tells Edward that she got really turned on by all those guys using her. So regardless of whether Anthony guilt tripped her into taking part, her morality was still altered, to the point that she subsequently enjoys the idea of being gangbanged.

 

[Whiterichie93]

Is anyone remembering that certain player choices aren't even available to you if you don't certain actions in the first place? She won't let a bunch of kids nut on her if you don't condition her to even put herself in that situation in the first place...

 

[Zara Scarlet]

True, but it does speak volumes about her character that we haven't had any influence or "corruptive influence" over, since it's from her past.

But we have had a corruptive influence. Because before she was just imagining the possibility. Whereas now she's actually doing it. Many people fantasise about doing extreme sexual acts, but very few of them actually decide to do them. Merely having the idea in your head, doesn't mean you'll ever do it. It usually requires further outside stimulus to take that additional step.

If what you say is correct, then why didn't she start experimenting with her incestuous feelings, back when her brother was there watching her undress? If she was already corrupted as far as she was ever going to be, and her core morality had already been achieved. Then why wait decades, to indulge in all these sex acts? If nothing has been changed by recent events, then there was nothing to stop her doing all this stuff, back when she was a teenager. Or at any other point between then and now.

Except of course, if she has been affected by recent events. Because virtually all of the 'corruptive influence' has taken place since the game started.

 

[GokutheG]

Snugglepuff was suggesting there was no change in her morality in the game at all. That's obviously incorrect. Because her morality changes considerably over the course of the whole game. It doesn't matter whether you personally choose for her to avoid all that content, because lots of people don't and her morality consequently changes.

She doesn't have sex with her brother, she just lets him watch her undressing. That's hardly incest. And I never said anything about her never having sex prior to this game. Obviously she did, she was in a relationship with Anthony, and before that she had a husband who died. She was obviously pretty experienced at sex. But that's very different from most of the sexual kinks, that she's been indulging in during this game. Are you also saying she can't be corrupted, by Anthony trying to make her do stuff? After that gangbang, she tells Edward that she got really turned on by all those guys using her. So regardless of whether Anthony guilt tripped her into taking part, her morality was still altered, to the point that she subsequently enjoys the idea of being gangbanged.

But that's the thing how "corrupted" she appears is directly a result of the player's actions. The core of My regardless of player input is that she was in an abusive relation which caused low self esteem, she loves the outdoors and animals and shes a people pleaser. Throughout the game her cousin and the doctor help her gain confidence and grow out of her shell. How far her newfound confidence goes in a sexual nature is directly controlled by the player. Like the gang bang you're talking about I never took that action so she was never corrupted due to that event.

 

[male7104]

i want a save file what should I do?

 

[TomUK]

Like the gang bang you're talking about I never took that action so she was never corrupted due to that event.

I don't think you got an option on that unless you kicked Anthony out at the first opportunity.

I forgot about her 1st experience with a gangbang, that was the aliens if you followed the 'weird shit' path.

The students at the gala were 2nd, if you took those choices and Anthony's was the 3rd gangbang if he was still around.

 

[Zorlun]

Has anyone noticed the writing is a bit off in this update? Spelling mistakes, repetitive dialogue.
It's probably just me.
This could have the dialogue written backward; I would still love it.

I have no news from my editor since two updates sadly.
I just hope she's ok.

 

[Dudlbert]

"Sorry" but the game is, to say it nice...bad. There are so many choices where you do something small/simple and it escalates into stuff you dont even want...

i.E.

Party at the museum: You drink, smoke and you not only get fucked by the one guy but instead get gangbanged, assfucked by the driver and later on even from the son... I mean WTF?! Another problem is, at some point, you cant even deny it anymore...

At the massage parlor: You get fingered, then the action with the cousin and out of nowhere it switches to a gangbang... again.

There are absolutely no hints that you get used like a park bench after every single time you buy a coffee or what not...

Oh and the MC gets so dumb that she believes almost everything. "Trust" should be renamed in loss of iq. -> Priest says he will cleanse her, faps and cums in her mount and she belives that it was a good ritual...

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

"Sorry" but the game is, to say it nice...bad. There are so many choices where you do something small/simple and it escalates into stuff you dont even want...

i.E.

Party at the museum: You drink, smoke and you not only get fucked by the one guy but instead get gangbanged, assfucked by the driver and later on even from the son... I mean WTF?! Another problem is, at some point, you cant even deny it anymore...

At the massage parlor: You get fingered, then the action with the cousin and out of nowhere it switches to a gangbang... again.

There are absolutely no hints that you get used like a park bench after every single time you buy a coffee or what not...

Clearly you’ve never got stoned or drunk before and made bad decisions padawan, cause when your mind is altered from drug or alcohol your inhibitions are lowered and easier to influence you into situations you might not do sober