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Mommysbuttslut

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Plus... since when is the primary audience for lesbian porn actually lesbians and not, y'know, straight dudes with a "girl-on-girl" kink and/or "if I enjoy porn with visible dicks it means I'm gay" syndrome?
Probably right around the same time that some weird ass harem fans decided that your 2 girlfriends kissing in the middle of a threesome was NTR. I don't even try to make sense of the homophobic weirdos on this site anymore tbh.
 

Lara Snow

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Plus... since when is the primary audience for lesbian porn actually lesbians and not, y'know, straight dudes with a "girl-on-girl" kink and/or "if I enjoy porn with visible dicks it means I'm gay" syndrome?
I'm lesbian and I'm looking forward for some scenes involving men (Like Golddigger's throwing an orgy or filming porn with her lost 'twin'). So go figure that one's logic.

Probably right around the same time that some weird ass harem fans decided that your 2 girlfriends kissing in the middle of a threesome was NTR. I don't even try to make sense of the homophobic weirdos on this site anymore tbh.
You kidding right? I can't believe this one hahaha!
 

Spfjolietjake

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Well, that's a less helpful response style than you expect when combined with not including the answer to the problem itself. This is particularly evident to anyone who does have a little more time to dig the forums on other matters. Goes into search on threads with keywords for a very specific problem. Then they discover the first hundred plus search results are people asking a question to a 'known' problem that's not in the top level post and everyone either ignores or responds generically with read back an unspecified, unlinked number of pages. The answer itself may be in quotes or the like that doesn't show in thread search. So every single person who does want to put in the bother has to read dozens or a hundred plus pages any time they want to find the answer.

I've had this come up in half a dozen different games at least so far, and in several of those cases the backreferenced answer no one will answer is multiple versions out of date and no longer a solution to anything. Sometimes the answer has been outright removed by a later comment edit. In this case, a moderator took some time to get the full information and edit it into the top level post after I also pointed it out which absolutely addresses it in a way that will keep more people from asking the same question. Then again, that doesn't always happen so try to bear it in mind when you come across stuff like that and what's going to be most helpful to people popping in with a quick problem.

I know people respond that way out of not wanting to see the same question a bunch of times, but it creates situations that aren't really any better than someone posting a highly detailed tech support help post for a specific hard to solve issue only to come back to close it with "nvm fixed it" without telling anyone how that actually happened.
When the answer is on the last page or two I get less helpful. Especially when it is a post or two before their question. That's me though...
 

Mommysbuttslut

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Well, that's a less helpful response style than you expect when combined with not including the answer to the problem itself. This is particularly evident to anyone who does have a little more time to dig the forums on other matters. Goes into search on threads with keywords for a very specific problem. Then they discover the first hundred plus search results are people asking a question to a 'known' problem that's not in the top level post and everyone either ignores or responds generically with read back an unspecified, unlinked number of pages. The answer itself may be in quotes or the like that doesn't show in thread search. So every single person who does want to put in the bother has to read dozens or a hundred plus pages any time they want to find the answer.

I've had this come up in half a dozen different games at least so far, and in several of those cases the backreferenced answer no one will answer is multiple versions out of date and no longer a solution to anything. Sometimes the answer has been outright removed by a later comment edit. In this case, a moderator took some time to get the full information and edit it into the top level post after I also pointed it out which absolutely addresses it in a way that will keep more people from asking the same question. Then again, that doesn't always happen so try to bear it in mind when you come across stuff like that and what's going to be most helpful to people popping in with a quick problem.

I know people respond that way out of not wanting to see the same question a bunch of times, but it creates situations that aren't really any better than someone posting a highly detailed tech support help post for a specific hard to solve issue only to come back to close it with "nvm fixed it" without telling anyone how that actually happened.
Bruh if you spent literally 10% of the time that you spent writing this post on reading the last few pages then this entire discussion wouldn't have had to happen.
 

ouch2020

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True if you cling to the universally shared notion of what incest is. On the other hand, deeming a relationship between adult cousins incest just the same as parent-child or sibling coupling is pretty much an American oddity.

More or less the same way the Americans try hard to pretend pubery begins at 18 and nobody is interested in sex or romance before college, and make the opposite taboo, in total denial of biology and reality. A consensual relationship between a person just beyond the age of majority and an older teen, or two teens of slightly different ages, is legal and seen as normal in most of the Western world, or any place that does not frown on premarital romance and sex to begin with. It has the Americans screaming rape and not so rarely putting the older partner in jail and the sex offender registry if discovered.
Hmm, agree that Patreon's indication to Zorlun (the dev) that any reference to family link, even "step-mother" or "step-mother", would have been considered incest and brought to a ban of his account, is a completely off the scale interpretation. Effectively, even by USA legal standards, if there is the "step", which means no blood link, there cannot be incest.
A known Hollywood director ended up having a relationship with the younger women he and his wife had adopted - no blood link, no incest.
About the cousins, though, I am not sure at what level you are talking about, but I know at least one country, not USA, that consider first degree cousins with a blood link as still being incest (notice the "first degree by blood", though, second degree, is already OK).

For the rest, yep, if you allow a comment from far away, for the country that AFAIK still has the biggest porn industry by turnover in the World, and in which teenagers (and I mean below 18) with kids are not the most diffused thing, but far from a rarity, is funny trying to pretend that people below 18 cannot be physically developed enough to have sexual urges and sexual activity.
Whether they are mature enough mentally and emotionally, is a different matter, but for that, there are even people in their 40s for whom the first description coming to mind is not "mature" :).
Puberty can be a risky period from that point of view, but you don't avoid a risk by pretending it does not exist.

About the "statutory rape", AFAIK is a bit more messy.
Most countries seem to have eliminated, or never had, "statutory rape" (one above 18, another below, is automatically rape, in practice was meant to protect girls from "predators' and AFAIK enforced basically only when the above 18 was a man), while in parallel, the most diffused age of consent in the World is 14-17yo (but there are others).

I gave a look, and it seem in USA is really a mess :) Basically, if two adolescents are romatically involved, before they move beyond kissing, they'd better get a specialised lawyer consultation :)

The age of consent varies in theory between 16 and 18, but when you cross with "statutory rape" (a term apparently in USA they do not like, so they use different ways to call it), it is even more messy.

The situation varies from the "if the older one is not in a position of power over the younger one, it's ok if there is age of consent"; to cases where it seems if one manages to get a lawful marriage (? with legal guardians/parents consent, maybe ?) in reality they may accept even an age for one of the two below the age of consent (?); or a state where a 14 year old could have sex with a 18-19 year old being still considered in the limits of the law, although the age of consent in that state is 16, but only if the older one has not solicited the sexual activity; to a State where any sexual intercours with someone below 18 is illegal, unless they are married, even if both are under 18 and are in full agreement, though in that case classed as misdemeanor; in another state, apparently age of consent is 16, but then a 13yo can consent to a 15yo, and a 12yo can consent to a 13yo (?), and age of consent becomes 18 if the older person is in some positions (tutor, coach, authority above the younger, etc.).
 

novamarauder

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True. I'm waiting for the patched version.
It's a pity. I have got accustomed to using your cheat mods to reap all stat changes in multiple choices that strike my fancy. since I like to keep all kinks and paths merged in one optmized playthrough. I am often able to do it myself by console in other ren'py games, but with this one I cannot make heads from tails about how the code manages stats changes.
 
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Bibifoc

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It's a pity. I have got accustomed to using your cheat mods to reap all stat changes in multiple choices that strike my fancy. since I like to keep all kinks and paths merged in one optmized playthrough. I am often able to do it myself by console in other ren'py games, but with this one I cannot make heads from tails about how the code manages stats changes.
In fact, you can use the current cheat mod if you really need it. The only problem you will encounter is missing bio for new characters ... not a big deal.
 

Mad_Moon_Man

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Soooo to summarize, there won't be any incest / bestiality content in the future? Or it will be censored with the "step" thingy?
 

Mad_Moon_Man

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There will be no Incest unless someone makes a mod.
There will be bestiality, but you need to wait until that patch/mod made by a 3rd party is released with the 'official' public version.
Ooooof the mom/son scenes were my main focus, glad to know that bestiality will keep going tho and thanks for the answer, let's hope the game keeps up being this good.
 

Spfjolietjake

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Hope someone make an Inc-Patch.... One reason a start to play it.... And of course bestiality....
I wouldn't hold my breath. Due to the re writes it will be a lot of re writing itself. But who knows maybe some will want all that work.

However, It won't be as simple as changing a name...
 
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clowns234

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Hmm, agree that Patreon's indication to Zorlun (the dev) that any reference to family link, even "step-mother" or "step-mother", would have been considered incest and brought to a ban of his account, is a completely off the scale interpretation. Effectively, even by USA legal standards, if there is the "step", which means no blood link, there cannot be incest.
A known Hollywood director ended up having a relationship with the younger women he and his wife had adopted - no blood link, no incest.
About the cousins, though, I am not sure at what level you are talking about, but I know at least one country, not USA, that consider first degree cousins with a blood link as still being incest (notice the "first degree by blood", though, second degree, is already OK).

For the rest, yep, if you allow a comment from far away, for the country that AFAIK still has the biggest porn industry by turnover in the World, and in which teenagers (and I mean below 18) with kids are not the most diffused thing, but far from a rarity, is funny trying to pretend that people below 18 cannot be physically developed enough to have sexual urges and sexual activity.
Whether they are mature enough mentally and emotionally, is a different matter, but for that, there are even people in their 40s for whom the first description coming to mind is not "mature" :).
Puberty can be a risky period from that point of view, but you don't avoid a risk by pretending it does not exist.

About the "statutory rape", AFAIK is a bit more messy.
Most countries seem to have eliminated, or never had, "statutory rape" (one above 18, another below, is automatically rape, in practice was meant to protect girls from "predators' and AFAIK enforced basically only when the above 18 was a man), while in parallel, the most diffused age of consent in the World is 14-17yo (but there are others).

I gave a look, and it seem in USA is really a mess :) Basically, if two adolescents are romatically involved, before they move beyond kissing, they'd better get a specialised lawyer consultation :)

The age of consent varies in theory between 16 and 18, but when you cross with "statutory rape" (a term apparently in USA they do not like, so they use different ways to call it), it is even more messy.

The situation varies from the "if the older one is not in a position of power over the younger one, it's ok if there is age of consent"; to cases where it seems if one manages to get a lawful marriage (? with legal guardians/parents consent, maybe ?) in reality they may accept even an age for one of the two below the age of consent (?); or a state where a 14 year old could have sex with a 18-19 year old being still considered in the limits of the law, although the age of consent in that state is 16, but only if the older one has not solicited the sexual activity; to a State where any sexual intercours with someone below 18 is illegal, unless they are married, even if both are under 18 and are in full agreement, though in that case classed as misdemeanor; in another state, apparently age of consent is 16, but then a 13yo can consent to a 15yo, and a 12yo can consent to a 13yo (?), and age of consent becomes 18 if the older person is in some positions (tutor, coach, authority above the younger, etc.).
Yea, in America, the legal age of consent differs from state to state and whether you are male or female. There is also typically a range in affect, i.e. a 21 year old male can have sex with a 16 year old female but if the male turns 22 before the female turns 17, the sex is now illegal because the age gap is now greater than 5 years (as an example). In some states, parents can marry off their 13 or 14 year old daughter to any 30+ male they deem worthy. Certain religious offshoots (cults?) are known for this.
There have been teachers (typically female) who have gone to prison for having sex with students, even when the student is 18 or over.
Arbitrary numbers pushed onto us by a puritan minority.
 
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