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Zorlun

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I dont mind any fetish except the ones where the girls gets tortured or killed, thankfuly Zorlun knows best, but i would like to see some female domination, beautiful feet (like perfectly cared, vibrant colored nail polish, toe rings, anklets, small tattoos, etc) and lactation for the win, could be cool to have some lactation event for Miriam's boy, maybe some special cookies with side effects from the cthulu cult midget AND she starts lactating like crazy and in the panic ask her boy to relieve her, or she goes to the spa for some relaxing and the guys give a sexy pedicure or a real hot feet massage and makes her squirt all over the place :love: (y)
No, tortured and killed is not really my thing neither, but for some "bad end" in plot lines towards which the player pushed her in, it will be a possibility during the game, though the player will really have to push towards it.
I started a bit the female domination with Myriam and Marc, some more on this update (with some little footjob ^^); foot fetish will have his scenes during the game, not really my thing, but I don't mind it and understand the appeal; lactation will have some scenes too, since Myriam already had kids (and may have some more during the game).

EDIT: I feel like I'm redacting some secret documents with all the spoilers. ^^
 

oyemiperro

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Something to think of for some "weird event"... :unsure:

Some Hammer action this update, no hardcore stuff for now, but just a little pic at what she will have to do battle with... ^^
Yesssssss!!! I think its interesting since it can be angled from Stan's group or from the evil priest... Or... Why not both!?
Missing you guys in the Discord forum, I'll be back with some tasty memes ;) (but I need content! hahaha)
 
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Hey folks. I have a question. Purely hypothetical what is needed to make a high quality VN? What equipment and what are the costs in the beginning if I don't have a good computer? And of course, how important are computer skills? I will be grateful for your response. And I hope you understand my English. ;)
 
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SSBBSNAKE

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coding skills , rendering skills, scripting skills, you dont have good english? a proofread guy, some bugtesting guys too (but you can talk some guys here to testplay for you xD) several expensive rigs for rendering the game images, its like any other bussiness, you have spend a lot to start, i also though i could make my own VN, but its not as easy as its looks like... at all...

Leave it to the pros, its more EZ being a crappy Twitcher or Youtuber
 

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I bought my computer at Best Buy three years ago. While I have a lot to learn about Daz Studio, I was able to make and render this in about two hours. My renders typically take 20 minutes to two hours with my GEforce GTX 1050.
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coding skills , rendering skills, scripting skills, you dont have good english? a proofread guy, some bugtesting guys too (but you can talk some guys here to testplay for you xD) several expensive rigs for rendering the game images, its like any other bussiness, you have spend a lot to start, i also though i could make my own VN, but its not as easy as its looks like... at all...

Leave it to the pros, its more EZ being a crappy Twitcher or Youtuber
Yea, there are better ways to make money. I assume most do it because of the love of doing it. I know I've been having a lot of fun just playing around with everything.
 
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Seanthiar

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coding skills , rendering skills, scripting skills, you dont have good english? a proofread guy, some bugtesting guys too (but you can talk some guys here to testplay for you xD) several expensive rigs for rendering the game images, its like any other bussiness, you have spend a lot to start, i also though i could make my own VN, but its not as easy as its looks like... at all...

Leave it to the pros, its more EZ being a crappy Twitcher or Youtuber
yes and no - You can do everything by your own on a low budget. Coding and/or scripting are the same, the difference is only the platform. Render is not really a skill - better call it graphic skills, like picture composition, golden cut etc. But that are all things you can learn. Same with english. Every skill you need can be learned. If you want to render with DAZ learn DAZ, if you want to us Blender learn Blender etc.
In my opinion there are only two 'problems' for making a VN or game :
1. Motivation - to learn the skills, to make the VN/game. It's nothing that you can do in a few days. It can take months or years.

2. The Story - you need a story, you need to make it interesting, enthralling, logical, natural and before you start you need to know how it ends, what is the target of your story. Without an end you are in the danger to write yourself in a dead end. Easiest is maybe using a finished(!) short story from another person for example on literotica and make it a kinetic VN. (Don't forget credits) If you want to write the story yourself the concept/framework should be finished when you start with rendering and coding. And writing is then another skill you need to learn.
 

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yes and no - You can do everything by your own on a low budget. Coding and/or scripting are the same, the difference is only the platform. Render is not really a skill - better call it graphic skills, like picture composition, golden cut etc. But that are all things you can learn. Same with english. Every skill you need can be learned. If you want to render with DAZ learn DAZ, if you want to us Blender learn Blender etc.
In my opinion there are only two 'problems' for making a VN or game :
1. Motivation - to learn the skills, to make the VN/game. It's nothing that you can do in a few days. It can take months or years.

2. The Story - you need a story, you need to make it interesting, enthralling, logical, natural and before you start you need to know how it ends, what is the target of your story. Without an end you are in the danger to write yourself in a dead end. Easiest is maybe using a finished(!) short story from another person for example on literotica and make it a kinetic VN. (Don't forget credits) If you want to write the story yourself the concept/framework should be finished when you start with rendering and coding. And writing is then another skill you need to learn.
Thank you. I appreciate it.
 
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Just finished playing beginning of game to the current update point of game and absolutely LOVED it. Will definitely be following up this game and eyeing updates. Love love love Marc and William, excited to see how far these characters will go. Amazing job Dev, I appreciate the option of choices as some fetishes I'm not into so happy to not be forced into skipping through them. Love it!
 

Zorlun

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Hey folks. I have a question. Purely hypothetical what is needed to make a high quality VN? What equipment and what are the costs in the beginning if I don't have a good computer? And of course, how important are computer skills? I will be grateful for your response. And I hope you understand my English. ;)
Personally, I went in with no skills whatsoever in what's needed, meaning programmation and 3D tools, but like everything you can (more or less) learn and self taught yourself to death... First I googled the shit out of what's needed to make a Ren'Py game, then downloaded the free programs out there, then look at some tutorials, then dived right in and never looked back since.

So technically what I use: Ren'py (free) to create the game, Daz Studio (free) to do the renders, and Atom (free) to do the script.

For skills, like other said: programmation (the basics are fairly easy to learn with ren'py tutorials, then when you have a block, just dive into the community, lots of people out there that are happy to help and/or that had the same problems before), 3d tools (again, the basics of Daz Studio are fairly simple to learn with tutorials), then after that it's good old writing skills for the story (for the language try finding help to proofread).

For gears: You need an ubermachine, yes you can do with crap, but it will quickly shot your motivation when you realize how limited you are by your computer.

Then finally you need: motivation (a huge fucking amount if you come from zero like me) and time (have no illusion, you need a LOT of it).
Stupid question alert: how do you get those banners that you see at the bottom of some people’s posts?
You need to add the links of the "banner" into your signature of your profile.
I can help you with the links of the ones somebody made for my game if you want, for other games you will have to search a bit on the forum, but I know that there is at a few people specialized in it.
Just finished playing beginning of game to the current update point of game and absolutely LOVED it. Will definitely be following up this game and eyeing updates. Love love love Marc and William, excited to see how far these characters will go. Amazing job Dev, I appreciate the option of choices as some fetishes I'm not into so happy to not be forced into skipping through them. Love it!
Thank you, glad to hear you liked the game.
And not too long to wait, I will post the new update next week, before the end of the month for my higher tiers patrons, and a week later for the public free version (so start of next month globally).
 

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Then finally you need: motivation (a huge fucking amount if you come from zero like me) and time (have no illusion, you need a LOT of it).
These are the most important by far, as there's no point worrying about the rest if you can't manage these. I've got a tolerable computer and can follow Ren'Py coding with a bit of effort, but Daz Studio completely defeated me. Its so alien to everything I've done before and I can't generate the motivation needed to start from scratch. Tried a few tutorials, but just like anything else, if you don't want it badly enough, you can't force yourself to do it.

I have enormous respect for the few who can achieve this, especially when they're doing it alone with no previous experience. Their games may not be perfect, but 99% of their critics couldn't even compete with their efforts, let alone exceed them. In return they get a non stop barrage of criticism, accusations of greed, conspiracy theories and abuse, so its a wonder we have anyone brave enough to release a new game and no surprise that most end up abandoned, after the dev has finally had enough of the crap they've received.

A huge thank you to Zorlun and the few like him, who put out games that give us plenty of enjoyment, while asking little or nothing in return. Rest assured that you do have plenty of fans out there, even if most of us are too busy fapping to let you know how much we appreciate your hard work. :love:
 

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For gears: You need an ubermachine, yes you can do with crap, but it will quickly shot your motivation when you realize how limited you are by your computer.
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No, the only thing that needs ressources is rendering - but that is the only thing that doesn't need you to sit in front of it while it's working. It's one of the skills you need - organizing and planning your work to be effective. The rest works on any Windows PC with 8GB RAM. With less on Linux. And even with render - your render take time with a slower PC but you learn to be effective, like rendering background and chars separate. Scene Optimizer and camera optimizer with DAZ are some nice tools to make your render to need less VRAM. Some assets available for DAZ are absolute idiotic. For example there is a pen(!) with a 4k resolution - no problem to reduce that to 512 and still have great details. Or a scene with no close up of the char don't need the char with 8k - 1k could be enough. Or why highres nipples when the char s clothed ? Important is RAM and a CPU with many threads - 16gb RAM are minimum, better are more than 32GB. I have robbed a second PC of 16GB and now have 48GB, but I'm searching for a cheap 64GB RAM set to get 96GB in my main system. My GPU is an old GTX750ti and it works, because DAZ use the CPU to render if you don't have enough VRAM, but enough RAM. I made a 30s. 720p animation in the DAZ Skill thread and it took 23h to render (30s a 30frames = 900 render) with my Ryzen7 1700. And about CPU - I prefer Ryzen above Intel and an old Ryzen 1700 with 16threads is more helpful than a 10th gen i7 with 12threads. Need 70W less power with 4 more threads and if you have a system running 5h for one render that is important. You can even restrict DAZ using all threads. You can say use 12 threads and use the left 4 threads to use still an editor like Atom (I use pspad because it got more options, it's faster and need less memory) to code and/or run Ren'py or surf the web.
If you let your PC render when you are not using it you don't need to babysit your PC for rendering and while sleeping or working it doesn't matter if the render take 12h or 5h and if you use a batch render tool you can let your PC do more than one render when you are sleeping and at work. For example you work 8h and sleep 8h. Maybe go to bed at 10pm and let the PC start render. Sleep, goto school/work and be able to do something again in the evening. That is enough time for your PC to render.
 

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Hey folks. I have a question. Purely hypothetical what is needed to make a high quality VN? What equipment and what are the costs in the beginning if I don't have a good computer? And of course, how important are computer skills? I will be grateful for your response. And I hope you understand my English. ;)
Well, Zorlun is a first time developer with no previous experience and look at him now. I think that more than a computer, rendering skills etc etc, the main thing is a f'kn amazing story... As an example, in the early days my fav developers were Lesson Of Passion, with their game "Living with Temptation: Wife Gone Wilder" which to me will always be a masterpiece (my avatar clearly says that), but nothing lasts forever and Leonizer and his team got obsessed with rendering and high end computers, leaving, in my opinion, good stories aside.
As I see things, technology will always be changing, faster computers, better renders, lighter images, more realistic scenery and lighting, so the game will look old at a certain moment, but, with an AMAZING story things are different, I'm not saying it will never get old, but it will be remembered and its commercial death will come much later. Better to focus on creating an amazing universe revolving around sex while you slowly learn programming and rendering, or associate with someone who knows, that lets you focus on developing the characters in depth, while another person gives life to those ideas.
I have also been with that idea in my head, and what I see is that when you develop the story will catch up on your "deving" process and that is when your fanbase is the one finishing the story, or you end up giving it a crappy ending... I feel that happened with "Dreams of Desire" by Lewdlab, I loved the story until certain point, and with their new story they focused a lot on rendering but the characters were notas well designed as in the previous one... And character design is not always dependent on what machine do you have, but how the characters have a personality, feelings and a coherence on what they do and say.
Just my two cents... Hope you manage to develop an amazing game for all of us to enjoy, just like we are doing with this one Zorlun is creating.

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