I agree you don't want too much hand holding, but it is a porn game so there needs to be a comfortable balance.
Maybe highlight the key words of the text, that might cause some of the speed readers to slow down when see something of importance.
Maybe highlight the key words of the text, that might cause some of the speed readers to slow down when see something of importance.
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All the hand holding is silly. I always find it funny that people complain about titles being kinetic novels, but on the flip side people seem to want every game to behave like a kinetic novel. They want walk throughs, walk through mods, hints that tell you EXACTLY what to do, etc, etc... and yet I don't think I have ever seen anyone ask/demand that a developer change a title to being kinetic... though that is exactly what they seem to want.
I find the whole situation strange.
The whole point of sandbox is discovery. What is the point of using sandbox if the game tells the players exactly what to do?
Personally, I prefer hints that are very vague. You know there is something you can do, but you need to figure it out. The best sandbox games have hints that are essentially word riddles, and when you finally figure out what to do you chuckle as you come to understand the riddle/clue.
In my opinion the hints you have are effective. Anything more obvious would be irritating to anyone that actually enjoys playing games.
Anyway, glad to see the game is moving forward. I always enjoy it.
I find the whole situation strange.
The whole point of sandbox is discovery. What is the point of using sandbox if the game tells the players exactly what to do?
Personally, I prefer hints that are very vague. You know there is something you can do, but you need to figure it out. The best sandbox games have hints that are essentially word riddles, and when you finally figure out what to do you chuckle as you come to understand the riddle/clue.
In my opinion the hints you have are effective. Anything more obvious would be irritating to anyone that actually enjoys playing games.
Anyway, glad to see the game is moving forward. I always enjoy it.
What's going on with Kim's quest? After Dr. D thing and capturing Shego, she has nothing new happening. Same 3 smalltalk options and nothing else triggering for ages now.
It depends on the way individual people play the game. As well as how the developer delivers information/game play and the UIX. Example I stopped playing the early builds of Another Chance because the game play was vague, some the items were hard to locate (and click on), as well as the lack of porn. The devs took enough heat for that they went to the other direction and now hold the player's hand a little too much with all the features they've implemented
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The Tara stuff is the only thing I’d like more clarification on as far as the quest log. It took me a long time to get that quest line to move along after she moved in and I really don’t know what cause it to eventually flip over other than I just skipped time and eventually it did something. I still don’t know what actually caused that to progress.
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Yeah, its quite a problem ^^' Especially also because everyone demands that choices matter, but then a lot of people get pissy about the fact that they can't just get every scene in a single playthrough.
In the end, I think its better to cater to those that actively want to engage with the game, rather than those that would be better off just watching it as a video.
Although its ofc a balancing act. Some quest hints are certainly too vague, but its hard to see right when I'm making it, and my playtesters never have issues, as i suspect they are more capable than so many people seem to be.
Maybe they will stop it when the sandbox element becomes a bit more pronounced. Currently it is very focused on story, but at 1 point I'm going to change it up to actually fill out the world with stuff that happens without direct progess for the girls - but rather just more for whatever stage they are on.
For that I'll have to probably make it obvious what are story quests and what are side quests, but that's for then.
I'm happy you like the game ^^
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Yeah... That one didn't turn out well. Basically it's just semi-RNG whenever you sleep. But it sometimes seems to be a bit too rare later on. I tried to make it so it just kinda happened while the player did the rest of the game, but I realized since that players tend to just hard focus on a single girl at the time, completely ignoring every other girl for the time.
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True. There's a balance where it's too much and too little. I do think however that it's best to have it a bit more vague than obvious on the scale, simply because I find that the people who want the handholding also tends to be those that don't actually care about whatever game they are complaining about.
A good example is that I've never had anyone on patreon (follower or supporter) ask me to do more handholdy stuff, yet it's a semi-frequent complaint here where people get it for free. It's ofc not really a statistic, but that's how I feel it.
All that said, I tend to go back and read through some quest hits every patch and change abit here and there if It's simply too vague. Although I think that was mostly a problem in the earlier quests since I now think a bit more about it.
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Is it possible to get locked out of Ann's questline? I was playing through again just being a jerk and I've gotten pretty much to the end of most of the content, but I can't visit her in the hospital ever... I think the last thing I did was buy her kims clothes.
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Eeeh... No, from all I know, its not possible for any content to be locked.
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Huh... wonder what I did. I"ve also found other various bugs along the way. Mostly at work, where you can almost always be a leader to kim, even if you havent asked her to work and you can repeat it over and over the same night. This sometimes leads to not being able to be a leader to monique. I'll let you know if I ever figure out the Ann thing, though I might just give up and go back to my old save.
Oh, the other thing is that very early in the game the option to have monique meet you at the toilet appears, but you can't do anything there.
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I've restarted a few times over the last few patches just to make sure it's all as it should be, and both Tara and Shego's quests seem to have this issue where the further you progress the harder it is to get their quests triggers to occur. On one occasion I spent nearly 3 weeks doing nothing, but waiting at the house and sleeping to get Tara's quest to continue.
Of course not, most of them are progressing. But you could just tell me what exactly is the trigger for Kim after capturing Shego and talking to her mom briefly when dropping her off.
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Wait really? Huh, I'll have to check that bug at work. I haven't done anything with the workplace for a long time now.
I'll fix the thing with Monique as well. Thanks
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If you are at the exact place you say you are, then she has an option when talking to her to check up on her
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Taras I kinda understand, but can you elaborate with Shego? That's not something I've heard before nor really understand cause her stuff is far less random.
Maybe I did talk to her about it at school right after that. It's been so long that I can't remember. So what's next then? I figured I just have to progress other girls, but it's been too long with her not doing anything and only having the 3 basic smalltalk options.
After replaying some saves, and looking at my completed save file's quest log, I think I was just confusing parts of Tara's quest line, or some misc quest events, where Shego gets referenced being in the house.