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Give me an example. As you say, it's "easy to say" about certain things, so I want to know whether or not this is easy to prove. In my opinion, it might be difficult to pull it off, sure, but it can be marketable once you know what your target audience is and then slowly adjust to that.
Oh, yeah, I'm not exactly good at business or even workflows, just saying from what I know because you seem like the one that works as an insider somewhere or even know the business for so long that no mere mortals here understand your decree -- so correct me if I'm wrong
'Cause, you know, you love tangents more than I love pies
One more thing:
Have you come up with some strategy to debunk what Yojimbo543 said? Now that the receipt is in full display and all
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Here is the problem, and I'm going to say it now for everyone here can take it with a grand of salt, "He" clearly doesn't have the developer power, to get the game finish at the level it is at now. Personality I have sat an read all of those f95zone comments an few of them are very out of line, ("Possibilities"). can be, or could be more openly which I'm not going to, put into the fire here, The complaining about the game, is more of a beta, meaning everyone wants too play the full game, I know it has been four years which them making this game possible for everyone to play it. It doesn't give everyone to be so overly rude of the game not being done, yes their is always going to be problems in making, games on programs that take time, meaning none of you will put in the same work, as this person in front their computer none of you will from the looks of it.
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Of course not, because that would require them to stay on topic.
They're going to do what they always do, move the goal posts and/or completely change the subject.
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Same as you, man.Man I miss "Malise And The Machine", it's such a shame this game will never be finished
I remember back in 2016 when I stumbled upon MatM. Good designs, good music made by the dev's band, original ennemies (machines, creatures) that were not your usual faceless men, and most of all a simple but deep gameplay that allowed so much scenarios.
I played it in turn-based mode, and I loved that one character had to help the other out of a grab, or that you could break the charging of an enemy' attack. I liked that even if you were winning your engagements and not allowing the grabs to progress, little by little your team was getting worn out until you found a healing station. The lewd was integrated into the gameplay, not as a game over, but as an ongoing process with stats consequences.
That game had such a mood. It had sooo much potential, I really thought it would become my favorite nsfw game, if it would just deliver more of the same that was shown in the demo(s).
But, money showed its face. The dev realised he could make bank by doing the bare minimum to keep people like the one we have in this thread believing.
And so goodbye MatM, hello to the circus we have now, for S E V E N years. Seven.
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Damn. I was basing this on the date of my last demo of MatM. Even "better". Damn.
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Ditched would mean its over and forgotten. In terms of old version, yes, but MATM as a game, no. It will be worked on after PO.
Yes there is another place, him and his team are discussed a lot on his discord, its where they all are most active.
Skepticism would mean you are doubtful, thats is oki, but when someone starts spilling out insults or inventing ways to defame someone or something that is not longer skepticism, thats called spite.
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is recycling cringe memes all you do? You speak about Ero when you cant even bother to research new memes and use the same ones lol
Tell me you've never made art without telling me you've never made art. My guy, it's literally a common meme in art circles that NSFW is where the money is at, especially if you draw furry.
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Ok an example will be average artist at riot game, its non-NSFW content. They can make up to $130,280 a year. Now if you take Ero's earnings and round it so an even 240K a year. That's not enough to pay more then 2 artist. Now you can say "why would you compare a huge company" but would it be as big if they went NSFW? No. Meaning yes non-NSFW content will reach further than NSFW content. There are many huge gaming companies but not any lewd ones can come close.
There's that passive aggression again idk why everyone always resorts to that. I was starting to see you as the mature one above others, and you do that.
Idk wat Yojimbo543 said, i replied to them already unless i missed something.
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That's not true and if it was half of it is pirated. So you don't even make the amount you should, and im not "ur guy".
You are quoting salaries from not just a large studio but one of the most profitable video game studios of all time. My dude comparing independent artists on Patreon to a studio with the backing of fucking Tencent is insane. A quick Google search shows the US average of game artists specifically is around 60-70k per year. Whereas decent furry Patreons are generally quoted at around 8k PER MONTH. Whereas one of the more successful pure-sfw artists is Lisa Clough(Lachri), she makes 6.3k per month and is one of the most skilled artists I've ever seen, better than practically any nsfw artist I can think of. Internet famous artists/comic producers don't make crazy bank either, Shen/Owlturd is one of the most recognizable names out there, assuming all his patrons are subscribed at the highest level he doesn't break 8k. Non-furry stuff is reasonably lucrative too if you find a niche/are skilled. Miarmora started her Patreon last year, girl is 21 and makes ~4.4k per month not counting commission, her art is very good but she definitely has space to improve and has pretty visible progress from even when she started so that number is likely to keep climbing.
It's a meme in the art community because it is true.
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You arguing things that are going off topic, i used Ero to stay on topic.
To keep it short, the income you "quoted" from Lisa is only her art lessons, you didn't account her actually paintings and other things sold. Shen is same he has Webtoon, Newgrounds, Tumblr, yes they all do pay you.
SFW artist make money indirectly which is why is more lucrative. NSFW requires crowd-funding since no company wants to work with them. Hence Roit Games example.
Non-lewd games on average still generate more than NSFW games.
Programmers which the initial topic was about aren't bound to just gaming, on average they earn 6k a month on the low end. That's a third of Ero's earnings just for 1 person, and he has 11+ devs.
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You will soon the feet modeling is being finished! They're just working on keeping those feet touching the ground :3
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That's a silly definition, of course Eromancer hasn't forgotten Malise, its characters are still used for Patreon's tier list, but that's not evidence production will resume; the indisputable fact is Malise was announced in 2014, development was "paused" in 2018, and there hasn't been any news about it since, the project has been abandoned longer than it was in development, and the hope it might restart if the current "side project" is completed does not change that.
Saying that's not "ditched" is like saying your SO didn't "dump" you after staring at their Facebook timeline of them snogging someone else for the past five years, because they didn't explicitly say they were dumping you and you expect them to come back whenever they're done with their current "side" relationship.
Also Discord access starts at the second patron tier, it's the same self-selective group as the Patreon comment section, I didn't think I needed to include literally the same group of people, but I should have for clarity. My bad.
That's fair, I can appreciate your frustration towards the claims you believe to be untrue, but the crux of my argument was the arguments about the technical aspects of development are irrelevant, because the real problem is what happened with Malise.
Arguments about the development cycle don't matter because they're a repeat of the arguments of Malise's (and similarly shady games, like Operation Lovecraft) development cycle: hyperbolic criticisms of "no progress" can be countered by little updates showing some progress, feasible speculation on why it's slow can be countered using equally feasible speculation on why it's justified, etc. It gets us nowhere and really isn't informative to anyone new to all of this.
However the undeniable fact is Eromancer took money for Malise and, almost a decade later, still hasn't delivered a finished product, any claims that this won't happen to Pure Onyx or that Malise will eventually be finished is purely speculative. This is why I consider it the real issue, because it does not rely on speculation, nor does it invite hyperbole, and has a clear solution: finish Malise or refund backers of Malice. This is the issue that anyone new to Pure Onyx should be aware of and what should inform their expectations.