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Yes, except every time run the game, a txt file named "preloader_2023xxxx_xxxxxx_xxx" will be generated
Guys tbh the quickest way to sum up the flaws with Ero's development came from a comment he made (I think on his discord) that essentially said "every day I see what everyone is doing and if people need new tasks I assign them whatever idea/fix/improvement we have on a to-do list to make sure someone is always doing something" which, while it sounds like a good way to keep people involved, also just strikes me that Ero's prioritization is too focused on tasks being finished as opposed to priorities.
Having supported Ero and reported my fair share of bugs and glitches I noticed while playing I actually got some quick, comprehensive communication with them to know that my complaints were being noted and on more than several occasions those bugs were fixed in the next patch. And while that was actually refreshing to see that the team was taking notes and action based off user reports, the flipside is while those small changes were done I'm not sure if they were easy fixes or if they drew time away from bigger priorities that should've came first. Obviously without being on the team it's hard for anyone to know, but while I don't necessarily agree with calling it a scam it's pretty easy to understand why it's viewed that way.
I honestly think that with a team of 13 some people all assigned different (and sometimes overlapping) duties with Ero doubling as some jack-of-all trade means that he's delegating tasks more like a programmer instead of a director, so instead of keeping sight on the big picture he's too focused on making sure every small step towards that big picture is up to par. That's why you get complaints about people wondering why they spent a month on parallax for a new stage background instead of creating a new stage altogether, or why there's models and mockups of new equipment and enemies but they haven't been introduced yet. And the truth likely is; whoever it is on that team implements those new enemies is currently busy reworking bugs in the current ones, or that they're experimenting with a new parallax code/method on an old stage and if it works they can use it on new ones instead of vice versa. And while that wouldn't be wrong in a traditional game studio, it's frustrating for supporters to see in a crowd sourced one.
All this really is just to say; it's easy to understand why people are mad and why others are quick to defend. In my opinion I do think the team does actually put in some good work that does lead to some good results. It's just there's too much focus on the small intangibles instead of the big picture, and if you're crowdfunding an early access game you really need to make sure you have all the big picture items finished before you really smooth out all the small issues. Best example I can think of is Matto for Operations Ground Zero, he's openly said he cares more about making a game instead of making an adult game, so 99% of his work in the past year has been big systems with all the adult stuff coming in the last phase. Unfortunately Ero is too big and too deep in development to take that route, so we'll just have to see if something happens internally for them to change their priorities.
Having supported Ero and reported my fair share of bugs and glitches I noticed while playing I actually got some quick, comprehensive communication with them to know that my complaints were being noted and on more than several occasions those bugs were fixed in the next patch. And while that was actually refreshing to see that the team was taking notes and action based off user reports, the flipside is while those small changes were done I'm not sure if they were easy fixes or if they drew time away from bigger priorities that should've came first. Obviously without being on the team it's hard for anyone to know, but while I don't necessarily agree with calling it a scam it's pretty easy to understand why it's viewed that way.
I honestly think that with a team of 13 some people all assigned different (and sometimes overlapping) duties with Ero doubling as some jack-of-all trade means that he's delegating tasks more like a programmer instead of a director, so instead of keeping sight on the big picture he's too focused on making sure every small step towards that big picture is up to par. That's why you get complaints about people wondering why they spent a month on parallax for a new stage background instead of creating a new stage altogether, or why there's models and mockups of new equipment and enemies but they haven't been introduced yet. And the truth likely is; whoever it is on that team implements those new enemies is currently busy reworking bugs in the current ones, or that they're experimenting with a new parallax code/method on an old stage and if it works they can use it on new ones instead of vice versa. And while that wouldn't be wrong in a traditional game studio, it's frustrating for supporters to see in a crowd sourced one.
All this really is just to say; it's easy to understand why people are mad and why others are quick to defend. In my opinion I do think the team does actually put in some good work that does lead to some good results. It's just there's too much focus on the small intangibles instead of the big picture, and if you're crowdfunding an early access game you really need to make sure you have all the big picture items finished before you really smooth out all the small issues. Best example I can think of is Matto for Operations Ground Zero, he's openly said he cares more about making a game instead of making an adult game, so 99% of his work in the past year has been big systems with all the adult stuff coming in the last phase. Unfortunately Ero is too big and too deep in development to take that route, so we'll just have to see if something happens internally for them to change their priorities.
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I literally stated many of those points and people have fought me for so long. They don't listen if you don't outright villainize him and agree he is a scammer.
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If he really suffers from lack of knowledge, PTSD and perfectionism he doesn't deserve to be the leader of the group. They need to replace him with someone more trustworthy. For the game's sake.
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Ironfoot
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What? In one of your posts you wrote he maybe suffers from PTSD. Then you criticize him about how he doesn't know much about programming, then whocares wrote how the whole team is focused on fixing miniscule bugs instead of doing new things (which tasks Eromancer give them) thats called maxialism or perfectionism. Yeah I can't read but you don't have a simple logic to put things togheter.
KittyMaid
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So why would they put themselves in that position? I never even called them hereEnglish is probably not his first language, be reasonable with him.
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Not everyone here speaks English. Just respect and be cordial to others, I always do.So why would they put themselves in that position? I never even called them here
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pretty sure kitty is deflecting again with that statement.English is probably not his first language, be reasonable with him.
> valid points against eromancer.
> kitty: 'you cant read' or 'not true' without actual explanation whatsoever.
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People should respect each other on here, regardless if English isn't their first language. Just saying.
KittyMaid
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I'm not asking if they speak, i'm asking why they arguing with me on something that never happened.Not everyone here speaks English. Just respect and be cordial to others, I always do.
KittyMaid
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how can i explain something i never stated? that was such a troll response from you, nice bait lol
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dont bother with kitty, just ignore the user. it seems like their job here is to derail the thread with deflections and insults like "you cant read" until the thread gets mod bombed. despite people having an actual on-topic, valid criticisms and concerns towards the game and its development cycle.People should respect each other on here, regardless if English isn't their first language. Just saying.
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Why does he act like that? Oh well.
Tbf and just to clarify, the focus of the whole team isn't just small bugs but rather just a mismanagement/miscommunication of time and resources. Easiest example is how an enemy (according to Ero) takes like 5 or 6 different people to do and until person 1 finishes, person 2 can't do their part. So you get a lot of artwork and models but the conflict point is the implementation and animation, which is understandable given those take a lot longer to get working smoothly since the models (mostly) differ in dimensions that a straight copy of rig animations leads to jank. (Ero even mentioned their upcoming Biker enemy requires a finessing to get their animations right, mainly having to elongate and shrink their legs during some movements to get them looking more crisp and fluid)
That being said I really don't know who does what on that team so I can't comment the number of programmers and animators they have and their respective responsibilities but I do know that Ero tends to put eyes on everything and give his stamp of approval. But I agree he needs to take a step back and observe the overall picture instead of the small details at this point in the development cycle. I do know one of their programmers is currently reworking the games physics engine (or code or something, I'm not a programmer) to finally allow them to update their combat systems so that's (very likely) a pretty big time investment for one of his team members.
But we'll see what happens with further development. From what I've gathered and noticed playing recent builds a lot of the small bugs and jank have been pretty smoothened out so I actually do anticipate some new content to arrive (hopefully) soon. That being said that's not an endorsement for people to support if they don't want to, it's everyone else's money and not my place to tell anyone what to do with it