quality control

[♍VoidTraveler]

So when does this forum gets renamed to Epic95?

Why Epic? I'd say Epic store is pretty cool, and is shaping up to be a good competitor to steam.
Plus they give away for free a ton of cool games, something steam doesn't really do. Ever.
Thanks to Epic i saved thousands of dolla bru, i can't complain lol.

 

[b_w_r]

So when does this forum gets renamed to Epic95?

I don't get the shade thrown at Epic's store. Between Steam, Epic and GOG they've all got some pretty glaring downsides. And those are just the one's I've used. Years ago I only took one look at what EA or Ubisoft and decided "not even pirating that shit, ever".

I'll admit I've not played vidya nearly as regularly this last few years so if Epic opened the floodgates and let shovelware and asset flips everywhere I wouldn't know.

 

[Zardoz23]

I don't get the shade thrown at Epic's store.

When Epic first started becoming a competitor to Steam there was a controversy around the fact that they paid for some games to be exclusive to their platform. Gamers hate console/store exclusivity so that paired with the fact that Steam/Valve has a ton of fans resulted in a lot of hate online which persists to this day.

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

Epic, unlike Steam, doesn't list extra DRM (aside from its own crappy client) so you can get Denuvo slapped across your face without even knowing in advance. At least Steam lets you know in a little box off on the side that this shit infests the game, so you don't have to look it up on third-party sites.

 

[Winterfire]

If F95Zone kept only the quality games, it'd have only Being a DIK and a couple more.
The point of F95Zone is not keeping a curated list, but to keep a list of all exisiting games people may look for, as long as they don't contain gross rule breaking content. It's up to you to navigate in the list and pick what you like or believe to be "quality content", and F95Zone offers you the tools to do so (excluding tags, engines, weighted rating, and so on).

-edit-
Also, I've looked at the first entries of that list, and it's completely ridicolous.
Sounds more of a "huehue i don't like ntr and ai!!!". First two games of the list have lots of supporters, and they're extremely well done.

 

[b_w_r]

When Epic first started becoming a competitor to Steam there was a controversy around the fact that they paid for some games to be exclusive to their platform. Gamers hate console/store exclusivity so that paired with the fact that Steam/Valve has a ton of fans resulted in a lot of hate online which persists to this day.

This I remember, but it never made much sense as something for gamers to regard as cause of outrage to me. If there were a major change in perform between having the game distributed by Steam versus Epic store (impacting system requirements for example) I could maybe get it. I can't remember one example of that being the case.

Epic, unlike Steam, doesn't list extra DRM (aside from its own crappy client) so you can get Denuvo slapped across your face without even knowing in advance. At least Steam lets you know in a little box off on the side that this shit infests the game, so you don't have to look it up on third-party sites.

This is a fair criticism; I didn't know about this (I think largely because Epic mostly was a free games chute for me). Personally I'd like basic details of DRM in a commercial game to be something that a marketplace is obliged to display (same was as age ratings). I the authorities were to regulate or disincentivise DRM (eg as an anti-preservation technology interfering with cultural legacy) I'd have no problem telling any unhappy liberatarian to get fucked on the matter.

 

[Zardoz23]

This I remember, but it never made much sense as something for gamers to regard as cause of outrage to me. If there were a major change in perform between having the game distributed by Steam versus Epic store (impacting system requirements for example) I could maybe get it. I can't remember one example of that being the case.

Well it's two things really. But only one of them matters to most gamers. Generally speaking most people don't like needing to open a bunch of different apps to access the stuff they digitally own. It's why a lot of people are pissy about streaming services branching out instead of being more consolidated. For example if you enjoy South Park you need to sub to two different streaming platforms to have access to all South Park episodes.

The other issue is more niche but central to the kind of people who engage in discussions about videogame platforms online (aka not the average gamer) and that's the idea of market fairness. In general "gamers" hate it when a publisher or platform does some sketchy shit they don't like. And paying for exclusivity rights is considered sketchy. It's manipulating the market to get more traffic on your app. Makes sense really but is considered a dick move.

 

[Artemissu]

does this site have any quality control? the latest updates page is filled with low quality, unfinished releases that's only purpose is to rack up money. the formula is clear as day, make a game about a specific fetish that caters to a group of the most porn addicted people and just watch them throw money at you, the quality of the game doesn't matter as long as their dick twitches to it. this wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the AI slopfest that's taking over the entire fucking site, i am disappointed by the lack of action taken to remove these games and instead letting them be hosted on your site, these "games" have no effort put into them and are not only blatant scams, but only make actual passionate projects hard to find. here is a handful of games so that my point gets across better:

https://f95zone.to/threads/my-hotwife-v2-2-my-hotwife.183599/
https://f95zone.to/threads/demon-gods-v0-55-panonon.151073/
https://f95zone.to/threads/ipytown-v0-1-ice-cream-maker.223599/
https://f95zone.to/threads/the-tabletop-boys-v1-1-hael.223451/
https://f95zone.to/threads/novel-passion-ai-v0-5-46-team-passionai.212644/
https://f95zone.to/threads/damn-thats-felicia-v0-4-demo-trriggered-bakery.218467/
https://f95zone.to/threads/gaming-sessions-v0-5-shiro-game-studio.203193/
https://f95zone.to/threads/conqueror-sparta-1-2-final-captainbl00d.219201/

all of these were uploaded/updated in the past 48 hours, the site is filled with garbage like this.

You are in the wrong place if you want quality control. The goal of F95 isn't to curate H-games, it's to have as many H-games as possible available to the public, all in one safe, organized space.

You want actually good games, go visit a blog, or check out the Recommendation threads here (which are all subjective, so what one person thinks it's a good game, might not be your cup of tea)

 

[M Schum]

I don't get the shade thrown at Epic's store.

The joke is Tim thrown shade that Steam lacked quality since Steam is not a curated store, he claimed that EGS would be a curated store and would offer quality ...

What happened is not EGS had exclusives but rather what that caused as Epic deals caused games the publishers had no faith with to take a Epic deal since Tim would be paying "assured sales", this is more complicated then that since some publishers also jumped in, such as Ubisoft but the reason was the same more or less, they were taking Epic money because it was assured sales even if they were not as much "exclusive" but not available on Steam and GoG.

The lastest('?) was that Steam didnt allowed NFT games (they do, just not they cannot be directly from the game) and Tim decided to take advantage and allow NFT games on Epic ... any NFT game that lead to the already dubious quality of EGS to sink further as they got flooded by basic low effort, Unreal engine NFT games that are perpetually in Beta ... I cannot say they are scams but they pretty much are, also those do exist on Steam but that was what Tim originally was saying it wouldnt happen on EGS because it would be curated..

Oh dont get me wrong, Steam have a lot of problems and EGS does remind me of when Steam storefront wasnt just a endless scrolling ads but pretty sure only reason why EGS doesnt look that way yet is due to its slow development as well much smaller catalog, I am only throwing shade due to Tim inicial claims over how EGS would have quality unlike other digital storefronts.

 

[Zardoz23]

You want actually good games, go visit a blog, or check out the Recommendation threads here (which are all subjective, so what one person thinks it's a good game, might not be your cup of tea)

What kind of demonic ritual do I need to perform to summon an H-game version of Totalbiscuit to curate and review porn games?

 

[Artemissu]

What kind of demonic ritual do I need to perform to summon an H-game version of Totalbiscuit to curate and review porn games?

I remember there was some blog or website about someone (I THINK it's Wetpussygames, but i'm not sure) who would try out H-games, then review them. I used to read some reviews a couple of years ago to find out about H-games, back when i didn't know F95 existed.

There are some channels on Youtube like Bumblebuzz, which does H-game longplays. There is no commentary nor is it a review, but in the very least you can watch some gameplay before deciding whether to play or not.

Finally, there's this thread here and other similar ones, but keep it in mind that, at the end of the day, these threads are 100% subjective. Some people think Parasite in City is shit, for example, even though it's hailed as an all-time classic among many H-gaming fans.

(There are the reviews here on F95 too, but they are mostly hit-or-miss tbh. Most people here seem to rate a game based on if the game caters to their own fetishes or not)

PS: As for your ritual, well sadly i'm not a cultist so can't say i know

 

[Zardoz23]

Finally, there's this thread here and other similar ones, but keep it in mind that, at the end of the day, these threads are 100% subjective. Some people think Parasite in City is shit, for example, even though it's hailed as an all-time classic among many H-gaming fans.

Great thread. Thanks for sharing.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

The lastest('?) was that Steam didnt allowed NFT games (they do, just not they cannot be directly from the game) and Tim decided to take advantage and allow NFT games on Epic ... any NFT game that lead to the already dubious quality of EGS to sink further as they got flooded by basic low effort, Unreal engine NFT games that are perpetually in Beta ... I cannot say they are scams but they pretty much are, also those do exist on Steam but that was what Tim originally was saying it wouldnt happen on EGS because it would be curated..

This is pretty much the only thing i don't like about current epic store, nft can fuck right off. Period.
Luckily epic made sure that it is VERY visible what games are nft, so you can avoid them easily.

 

[hakarlman]

I personally don't try new games anymore on this site due to lack of quality control.

I have to go through the 99 terribly made games just to find 1 decent game. It's not worth the time.

 

[Goeffel]

but there IS quality control ... it just isn't about what you or I (not really, I'd prefer everything allowed, no matter if it isn't for me) wish it was:

- no prepubescent loli/shota, as defined by staff and only by staff
- English language must be available, MTL may be good enough
- must have lewd content, or otherwise somehow be "adult"
- should be presented in proper form (game uploding rules / template be used)
- no online requirement / network multiplayer (iiuc.)

- no DRM?
- something something AI-teens that noone knows what it is about.

 

[lamba]

Perhaps they are scams - but no one here is getting scammed because this is a pirate site

The term 'scam' has lost all meaning and frequently just means, "thing I don't like that falls short of my own standards that I'd totally hold myself to if the shoe was on the other foot."


In reality what people are calling 'scams' are usually just long running developments with a loyal customer base that keeps throwing money at the game because they like the project. Summer Time Saga- to use a common example- isn't exactly my cup of tea, and the creator's freely admitted he's pretty lazy. People still keep throwing money at him, and some other people think that makes it a 'scam' even though there's no deception going on here other than people who are too lazy to update their preferences on Patreon.

the site is filled with garbage like this.

If no one wanted it, these games would die out quickly and people would stop posting them.


There's a reason why people don't make / post sliding block puzzle and maze games very often anymore. Unless something was blatantly stolen or plagiarized by one developer from another there's not much reason for the website to get involved. That and / or blatant NFT scams. People will post what they want to.


I will say that it'd be nice if the 'trending' tab worked properly. Fox Girls Never Play Dirty has topped that list for....years. I'm guessing 'trending' is just a vertical slice of what threads are popular but that's not what the term 'trending' really means. And because of how the forum works- every time someone responds to you, you're getting alerts- that metric has a way of snowballing.


More generally I think the problem isn't that the website allows anyone to post new content but the lack of useful curation tools. If nothing else the staff should be highlight games they feel represent high quality games and fresh concepts.

 

[M Schum]

The term 'scam' has lost all meaning and frequently just means, "thing I don't like that falls short of my own standards that I'd totally hold myself to if the shoe was on the other foot."

Oh there are "scams" but those are on the Patreon backend and its hard to tell apart from genuine efforts that are slow due to being a one man team and the ones that are deliberate set.

A good example is Breeding Season since we know what happened but you can tell if its worth or not since imagine you have a Patreon game like, oh Fallen Doll were the devs just jump into making another game, Operation Lovecraft with neither being completed.

When people use scam is became when a game is prepetual in development for over 6 years it starts to raise eyebrows expecially when we see so many games with the "abandoned" tag, there is a reason why people say Star Citizen is a scam were nobody says that to No Man Sky, we do get games that eventually get the released tag but then we have games that have a update about 6+ months for years with no end in sight, they are at best just concepts that the devs lack the time and/or experience to complete but dont give up, since we dont know we assume and this is why we have the abandoned tag.

 

[b_w_r]

but there IS quality control ... it just isn't about what you or I (not really, I'd prefer everything allowed, no matter if it isn't for me) wish it was:

- no prepubescent loli/shota, as defined by staff and only by staff
(stopped reading)

"I'm upset that the pirate site operators won't host things that'd get their house raided by armed police, everyone arrested on charges that are the same ones used against CSAM, give the prosecution an absolute SPEEDRUN of a case to trial, send them to a Very Bad Prison Sentence and have the search results for their names permanently entangled with their charges after the press is finished with them" isn't an argument about quality control.

By all means, start a website that hosts that stuff. Get yourself a front row seat to see what happens.

 

[lamba]

A good example is Breeding Season since we know what happened

Breeding Season wasn't a scam. One of the artists realized there was a loophole in their contract, quit, and then demanded the production stop using all their art assets, which they were claiming ownership of. This completely sank the production because there was no way they'd be able to start over from scratch and find a new artist / animator to fill the roll. Everything that happened- although morally dubious- was completely legal.


Same thing actually happened with a British games company you've probably heard of- they contracted an artist to create a fifth god of chaos but because they never bothered to run the contracts by a decent lawyer, that artist retained control over their work and that particular property so the game company just stopped referencing it altogether.

 

[b_w_r]

Same thing actually happened with a British games company you've probably heard of- they contracted an artist to create a fifth god of chaos but because they never bothered to run the contracts by a decent lawyer, that artist retained control over their work and that particular property so the game company just stopped referencing it altogether.

Ah yes, the 5 elements of chaos:

• bloodthirst
• entropy
• decadence
• unpredictability
• and presuming the fine print in the contract hasn't anything in it to worry about, I'm sure it's all cool. It'll be fine.