[QUESTION] What about... non-canon renders from devs?

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Hi F95, as my last thread sparked interesting debate - here with a new question that genuinely runs through my mind at least twice a month now. Here we go:

Why do developers, during development of their game, publish renders of their characters in wildly different contexts than the original story?

I'm asking myself this question to understand the phenomena better. There is no judgement behind it, simply a wish to understand why this happens.
Fanart seem to make more sense to me, but I'd like to understand the appeal to do this as a developer.
Please, if possible, voice your informed opinion in either the poll or a response.

Possible answers I've gotten so far are:
- As a thank you to paying Patrons
- Because they want and can (Still trying to figure out the want here)
 
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Why do developers, during development of their game, often share renders of their characters in wildly different contexts than the story when it serves not other purpose than to just be visually appealing?
Because they want and can, period.
 

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Bro it's not that deep...
Because they want and can, period.
Fair enough, and that should be enough of an answer as well. I've deleted the poll and will broaden the original question. I'm still trying to learn why it is they would want to.

I should probably add that I don't mean to pass judgement on it - I'm simply interested in learning more about why it happens. :giggle:
 

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They are valid, I would do them as request on a patreon tier. But of course, certain limits apply.

And pray that, somehow, those NTR renders that AREN'T in the game does not leak to the other players or face the rage because, suddenly, a non-canon render ruins the whole game for an NTR... that doesn't exist in the game.
 

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They are valid, I would do them as request on a patreon tier. But of course, certain limits apply.

And pray that, somehow, those NTR renders that AREN'T in the game does not leak to the other players or face the rage because, suddenly, a non-canon render ruins the whole game for an NTR... that doesn't exist in the game.
That sounds awful, honestly. Are there examples where non-canonical renders have impacted the view of the original game? I never even thought of that possibility... Thanks for sharing!
 

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That sounds awful, honestly. Are there examples where non-canonical renders have impacted the view of the original game? I never even thought of that possibility... Thanks for sharing!
I can't remember the dev or his game's name, I remember someone in the dev's forum mentioned that ages ago. It got stuck in my mind somehow. Someone here must know a case like this, where the dev made a non-canon render for a petition of a single person on his high tiers, and it was a NTR one. And somehow it leaks and the anti NTR rage is on full swing... because a non-canon render.

Somehow, we should be careful with non-canon renders because they may leak, and well... hell may break loose. I don't do those because my game is real porn+ text based, but I had to write optional scenes as requests from patreons, so it's kinda the same. There's a rule that, if I don't like it, it doesn't get done so I still retain some control over it.
 
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I have done some for Patrons, either for winning a contest, or due to tier perks. But I also get a wild hair up my ass at times, and get an idea, which won't fit into the game, but I want to see how it will look. Sometimes I share these. Personally I will do it just from needing a break from a scene I am making, and to clear my head. There are quite a few reasons why I would make them, and sometimes, if I think they look good, I will show them off.
 
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Sometimes it's just fun to do something different than the game we spend multiple dozens of hours on every week.
 
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There's a rule that, if I don't like it, it doesn't get done so I still retain some control over it.
See, this is why I just let people vote on characters instead of what the render actually is. I've already been asked for some f'ed up shiz, I ain't giving people an avenue to ask for more. :ROFLMAO:
 
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One of the reasons may be that they can't fit that scene into the game's story, but they still want to attract that type of audience.

For example, pregnancy

It's not easy to fit it into the plot in a good way, unless it's an end game, but a lot of people like to see it, so even if it's not officially added, it will keep that audience satisfied and make them continue on Patreon, playing, etc.
 
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Hey guys, sorry for not getting back to you timely. Thanks for taking the time to respond, there are some great insights into your responses!

I can't remember the dev or his game's name, I remember someone in the dev's forum mentioned that ages ago. It got stuck in my mind somehow. Someone here must know a case like this, where the dev made a non-canon render for a petition of a single person on his high tiers, and it was a NTR one. And somehow it leaks and the anti NTR rage is on full swing... because a non-canon render.

Somehow, we should be careful with non-canon renders because they may leak, and well... hell may break loose. I don't do those because my game is real porn+ text based, but I had to write optional scenes as requests from patreons, so it's kinda the same. There's a rule that, if I don't like it, it doesn't get done so I still retain some control over it.
Gotcha, that sounds like a really sticky situation. Glad you're sticking to what you like - in honesty, no one knows the game better than you do, so who would know what the game could need better? Conceptually, you're the god to the game. :LOL: I don't understand why people get so worked up over specific situations. For example - I don't have the incest festish many people seem to have, so I wade through a lot of games playing up that relationship. But there's no need to go complain about it being there. If a developer wants to render that, that's her or his prerogative.

The other day, I reviewed 'The Point Of No Return' and the game took a really dark turn with slavery, involuntary penetration and molestation. Now I can appreciate some gore in select situations (Mortal Kombat), but this was a bit too much for me. But if the dev wants that, that's alright. So good on you and good on you for sticking to that, surely you can make the game a collaboration but you should never bank on the original vision for your product.


See, this is why I just let people vote on characters instead of what the render actually is. I've already been asked for some f'ed up shiz, I ain't giving people an avenue to ask for more. :ROFLMAO:
First off, I love the name btw. Really? So what kind of stuff was asked that didn't fit in the original story? I'm seeing a lot of incest nowadays and an enormous harted for Netrorare. Tsundere characters seem to be popular, while Yandere seems to be on the decline. Never thought I'd see feces play in a game, but definitely came across that some time. Also the fantasy of being abducted and taken advantage of.. It's a wild world out there. So what are things you came across?

I have done some for Patrons, either for winning a contest, or due to tier perks. But I also get a wild hair up my ass at times, and get an idea, which won't fit into the game, but I want to see how it will look. Sometimes I share these. Personally I will do it just from needing a break from a scene I am making, and to clear my head. There are quite a few reasons why I would make them, and sometimes, if I think they look good, I will show them off.
Ah, so you offer them as prizes or bonuses for your patrons too. I figured all of the reasons I originally put up on the opening post could fit. Since starting in this world and reviewing, I've learned that creating a proper VN takes an ungodly amount of time. So it only makes sens that you'd want to try something different with your characters instead of doing the same thing again. It might be an idea that doesn't fit or something you just want to try, I understand now.


Sometimes it's just fun to do something different than the game we spend multiple dozens of hours on every week.
Thanks for your response! Yeah, I can totally relate to that. My original question came from the understand that 'every render takes a lot of work to do' - so at first it seems counterintuitive to 'take on more work' for something that takes so much work. But since, I've learned that a lot of devs are very talented and can whip up renders quite fast.

It's probably a great way to explore ideas for something as well, so it makes sense to work on them. And if you do, it also makes sense to show them off - either just for responses or maybe even to test the water and see what people are into lately. It's definitely a tool, but for the longest time I felt like devs were setting themselves up for more work by doing so. All the responses have taught me that it's actually helpful to do so, as long as your patrons and players understand that it's not a part of the story.

One of the reasons may be that they can't fit that scene into the game's story, but they still want to attract that type of audience.

For example, pregnancy

It's not easy to fit it into the plot in a good way, unless it's an end game, but a lot of people like to see it, so even if it's not officially added, it will keep that audience satisfied and make them continue on Patreon, playing, etc.
Oh yeah, I hadn't thought about that. That makes sense as well. But wouldn't that break the characters' immersion? Well, they're characters after all, so who cares really? I know a lot of devs create fantasy 'Christmas' situations for their characters as celebrations, so it's probably something like that.

At some point, I played games that had 100+ extra/non-canon renders in a gallery. I sat there stunned, because there were all kinds of undeveloped side stories and opportunities in there. It might be the writer in me, but I actually grieved for the potential lost there. Then again, as a developer you can only do so much, right? Thanks for that insight as well, I love reading all answers here.
 

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First off, I love the name btw. Really? So what kind of stuff was asked that didn't fit in the original story? I'm seeing a lot of incest nowadays and an enormous harted for Netrorare. Tsundere characters seem to be popular, while Yandere seems to be on the decline. Never thought I'd see feces play in a game, but definitely came across that some time. Also the fantasy of being abducted and taken advantage of.. It's a wild world out there. So what are things you came across?
NTR is the most common, I've even been offered money for that one. That one's practically the opposite of my game. Some have asked for the 12 year old in my game to be bangable. Some have asked the same for the dog. And one guy, who shall forever remain in my brain as the creepiest, slimiest fucking DM I've ever received, asked if MC was ever going to fuck her seven-year-old daughter. That was an insta-block, I didn't even want to reply. I wanted to puke.
 
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NTR is the most common, I've even been offered money for that one. That one's practically the opposite of my game. Some have asked for the 12 year old in my game to be bangable. Some have asked the same for the dog. And one guy, who shall forever remain in my brain as the creepiest, slimiest fucking DM I've ever received, asked if MC was ever going to fuck her seven-year-old daughter. That was an insta-block, I didn't even want to reply. I wanted to puke.
That is... well, it's the internet. Thanks for sharing and good on you for sticking to what you are morally aligned with.
There's always a level of anonymity-shock on the internet, but some things are just too much indeed. I had no idea how prevalent thoughts about these things were until entire rings with content were exposed. I understand the freedom of rule 34, but man...

I can't imagine ever reviewing a game or writing a story anywhere remotely near that area. Not for shock factor, not for appealing to a certain crowd, not even under the guise of freedom. So I'm alongside you on that one.
 
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This sounds a little strange to say, but some devs don't really respect their characters. I played a game recently where there was close to a 1:1 ratio between sex scenes in the game and non-canon patreon exclusive scenes. Obviously they just want to make money, but by making your characters do things that they wouldn't actually do in the story, it almost feels like they're being whored out.
At the end of the day, I understand that character models are just that, models, toys to be posed, but it still left a bad taste in my mouth. I'm all for canon-adjacent renders, though. Like showing what the characters would realistically be up to when they're off-screen.
 
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This sounds a little strange to say, but some devs don't really respect their characters. I played a game recently where there was close to a 1:1 ratio between sex scenes in the game and non-canon patreon exclusive scenes. Obviously they just want to make money, but by making your characters do things that they wouldn't actually do in the story, it almost feels like they're being whored out.
At the end of the day, I understand that character models are just that, models, toys to be posed, but it still left a bad taste in my mouth. I'm all for canon-adjacent renders, though. Like showing what the characters would realistically be up to when they're off-screen.
Thanks for sharing that, Zoe. I think we're both in the same camp on that - a loose render just feels better to me if I can imagine the character actually doing it. Non-canon is one thing, but out of character is something else entirely. But like you said, if it's a way to make money and people like it, I guess nobody can or should ever blame the developer. I'm all for good 'what-ifs' if the story makes sense!