VN Ren'Py Radiant [v0.6.3] [RK Studios]

[Dogorti]

A better way of writing it for the non-incest path would be to use the term "wards" at the initial realization, but then use the term "the girls" or "my girls" later. The former is just a generic, but the latter gives a parental feel to things even though he would not be bio-dad in that scenario. However, games like this are written with simplistic single-word substitution for the "patch" to deal with; using better language choices would make patching more complex. I also think it's partially to get you to give up and give in even if that isn't the approach you wanted to take.

A game that does censorship very well is "Another Chance" the game does not explicitly mention that they are family and the mc does not go around saying "sister" this and "sister" that (which from a certain point of view is better) but they treat each other like family, and all the dialogues in an intelligent way make you see that they are related in a subtle way, I think that a couple of devs should see this game and learn to do a good censorship without losing the essence of the taboo, although the best thing that the devs of this kind of game can do is open a subscribestar account and that's it, if your game is good people will support you anyway

 

[cptjackrabbit]

A game that does censorship very well is "Another Chance" the game does not explicitly mention that they are family and the mc does not go around saying "sister" this and "sister" that (which from a certain point of view is better) but they treat each other like family, and all the dialogues in an intelligent way make you see that they are related in a subtle way, I think that a couple of devs should see this game and learn to do a good censorship without losing the essence of the taboo, although the best thing that the devs of this kind of game can do is open a subscribestar account and that's it, if your game is good people will support you anyway

I was going to mention this, but forgot. Another simple thing is not end every sentence with sis and bro. “Hey brother it’s time to get up. Breakfast is ready big brother are you up now brother? Hey brother you’re my brother, brother”

 

[Filipis]

I was going to mention this, but forgot. Another simple thing is not end every sentence with sis and bro. “Hey brother it’s time to get up. Breakfast is ready big brother are you up now brother? Hey brother you’re my brother, brother”

Obviously, the lack in writing quality can be attributed to a lack of writing experience. Come to think of it, the Adult VNs we have been enjoying so far haven't actually leaned into the novel aspect much. The situations are largely identical, with a select few 'cliches' repeated ad nauseam.
But on the other hand (as I've mentioned before), currently the main skill required for these games is in the 3D modelling/animation industry. A higher barrier to entry, so to speak. Anyone can write a book (maybe not as well as Stephen King, but it is relatively easy to start and learn better techniques), while not anyone can just pick up 3D rendering as a hobby. You need a high-end desktop machine to even get started (a several thousand $/€ investment), let alone to stand out in terms of visual quality. Then you need to learn a modelling program, some which require additional monetary expenditure.

So, I can safely say I understand what it even takes to consider becoming an Adult VN developer, let alone the exorbitant costs it mandates to make it your full-time job (in order to provide consistent and timely output, something that has cost a lot of popular VNs their life).

I am optimistic, however, that with time & market saturation we will begin to see a rise in more sophisticated writing. One that will ultimately lead to more engaging content, moreso than what a remarkable render quality can provide.

 

[dolfe67]

With brother/sister you can call each other by first name, but not with child/mom or dad

 

[Swordsman83]

did the spanking of maddie got removed ????

 

[Son of Durin]

did the spanking of maddie got removed ????

You have to be going down the path of evil and abuse to get it. If that's your thing, well...

 

[Swordsman83]

You have to be going down the path of evil and abuse to get it. If that's your thing, well...

in other words need to be all dark points..

 

[armond]

in other words need to be all dark points..

She sat on me, I didn't sit on her! She drew first blood not me!

 

[walker188]

I was going to mention this, but forgot. Another simple thing is not end every sentence with sis and bro. “Hey brother it’s time to get up. Breakfast is ready big brother are you up now brother? Hey brother you’re my brother, brother”

The counterpoint to this is good wrting is wasted on a lot of people. And having written several 'adult' stories now, what the majority of readers want in their filth is a blunt object. Yeah a subtle touch is better and yeah, from a writing perspective it kills me to see that exact specific thing, but some people are... well ... stupid and others have zero imagination. They NEED you to spell it out in thirty foot tall bright neon letters. It's just these people won't come on the forum and eloquently complain, because they can barely read, and their 'ritin' isn't much better.

 

[armond]

The counterpoint to this is good wrting is wasted on a lot of people. And having written several 'adult' stories now, what the majority of readers want in their filth is a blunt object. Yeah a subtle touch is better and yeah, from a writing perspective it kills me to see that exact specific thing, but some people are... well ... stupid and others have zero imagination. They NEED you to spell it out in thirty foot tall bright neon letters. It's just these people won't come on the forum and eloquently complain, because they can barely read, and their 'ritin' isn't much better.

That's what the skip functin is for, give players the option to skip over your finely crafted story, if it's actually good people won't want to skip it.

 

[walker188]

Totally agree. There's a vocal, tiny minority out there that just screams to have it inserted into things... and it becomes obvious that they don't care about story. I feel like -at that point- just look at ANYTHING and pretend it's your sister and just leave us the hell alone. It hasn't gotten that bad yet, but the Pale Carnations community is dealing with people trying to argue for the right to fuck the MC's mom, and we're like, dude... it just doesn't make any sense to the story. The MC doesn't look at her that way. The dev is active in the thread and is rejecting the idea. I just don't like people messing with artistic visions. Sometimes, there's too much "access" that shapes mainstream creations. It shows up in our communities here a lot.

Now when it is baked into the novel, like here, or -in a surprisingly good story- like in A Petal Among Thorns (the developing sequel is really good too), it's really up to the discerning reader to decide if it feels "believable" enough to push on... assuming they're not explicitly there for the incest tag.

It appears that you are completely turned off by the idea of it, and I completely understand that. Because while I am open to a good story, it does absolutely nothing for me as far as the "taboo" or whatever excuse most people use that are here for that. I think, for me, the reasoning I've touched on is why I can usually tolerate it. I generally have to "transport" myself in my fantasy while reading something like this. I can't read something with incest in it where the world hasn't been transformed or, at minimum, there aren't huge mitigating circumstances like a coma... or 20 years apart. Or witness protection... like in Bare Witness... there's a character in that named Hannah that is basically the best dirty talker in any of these VNs lol... and the MC's cousin is sweet and just always had a crush or whatever, but Hannah walks in on her giving the MC fellatio and open-mindedly (harem game, MASH all the way lol) accepts it and starts talking... my point is, I wasn't even thinking about the cousin thing until she says something in the MC's ear and triggered his "arrival" and I thought, "okay, now THAT'S hot". And then I could understand many of the incest "enjoyers" chasing that runner's high of that. There are moments where there's an interesting scenario, social mores change, or someone just says something dirty and I'm on board for the writing. Otherwise, like you, I'll pass. I uninstall if it just reads like a bad incest video on PornHub or something. No thanks.

I think most people would agree with you that they don't want every single decent game out there to be "special service" for something they don't like. I do wish more people were accepting (not meaning you in any way, moreso the "incest or I'm unsupporting your Patreon" crowd) of slightly alternate stories. My very favorite is Pale Carnations and I have absolutely ZERO interest in BDSM. I just can't look away at Edwin's plight lol. I keep checking in on Radiant hoping for signs of continuing work because I love the art and the character interplay is heartwarming. I hope you find more of what you're looking for, too!

Cheers, mate.

Fetishes are basically addictions. For most heavy porn users, the ability to get off, isn't just enhanced by one or two triggers, its defined by them. They've desensitized themselves so badly, and funneled their attractions so specifically that unless you match them up, they can't get off. So what you're seeing is just desperation. These people really want to cum again, want to make it feel like the first time, but they can't. Even if they had every single screw turned, they couldn't, but they'll keep chasing that high, cause that's what addiction is all about.

 

[walker188]

This might be one of the best conversations Ive seen in this site. I really wanted to respond to something, and then Id keep reading and there would be something else to respond to, and so forth. Thus, figured it might be a bit easier to just make a post.

1. Someone said that being adult games they should be able to turn you on. While I get that viewpoint, Id disagree, personally. For me, what constitutes a good game here is if you removed the lewd, would you still enjoy it? The lewd is the bonus to a great story then. Ones that just force the scenes can be jarring to the flow of the story. I want it to be where the character makes me desire a lewd scene, not needing a lewd scene to create desire.

2. Thank god more people are saying it. Maybe if enough people say this, it make create an upward trend. Im referring to female characters "assets" God dammit do I hate the over sized T&A thing. I think it detracts from what could be gorgeous people. In a lot of these game, it might say a character has nice little tits, and Im looking at them thinking, "No, those are still DD's" Like people arent wandering around and everyone has G Cups!

3. The incest issue. I admit, I usually turn it on in options or patch. Am I a fan of incest? Not in the slightest. However, the MC lives with landlady and her 2 daughters so they are my room mates and constantly saying good morning landlady or yay landlady made me pancakes... just doesnt make a lick of sense. Not a fan of trying to bang mom, but at least the overall situation makes some sense.. Please leave Pae Carnations alone folks... its doing the right things...But that brings me to the next point.....

4. What is the obsession with mom? or friends mom? or somebody's mom? or the older teacher? or basically all the MILF content? You know how hard it is in a lot of games to avoid the mothers and milfs?

5. last bullet point, I promise. City of Broken Dreamers is probably my favorite game so far from this site. I would definetly play without the porn, and for the most part, the porn there is makes senseI enjoy the stories and characters and I dont think theres any railroading of making the MC bang anyone. Actually, I think it would be possible to skip all the sex scenes, maybe. The attractions to the MC generally make sense, and sometimes it isnt even an attraction that sets up anything. With that said, if Im not wanting a strong story or something, then I do like to go all the way into fantasy land. I know a lot of people arent into forced sex acts by whatever means. Violence, blackmail, corruption, sleeping, whatever. cool cool. I on the other hand, when Im going for just a lust filled adventure look for the cruelest and most brutal thing I can, and that can be hard to find. Euphoria kinda got there... but I wanted to see it go even further. And towards the end, the story starts to get a little weird. I want to play an absolutely depraved MC who has no qualms or remorse. What is the draw? It is absolutely not something to condone in reality. In reality most people strive to at least be decent. But in this world of fiction, let absolutely loose. its escaping the reality and just having fun. Again, not the majority of things I look for, but maybe the one out of ten.

I think that about covers it. Yeah! bye!

1.
I think you make a bunch of good points, but I'll reiterate what I said before. People are here to get off. They don't care about quality. They care about feeding their dopamine levels. Yeah, there are some amazing games with great plots or characters or concepts or gameplay that have stuck with me too. But that doesn't change the fact that a sizable portion of people won't play sandbox, or turn off minigames, or use a gallery unlocker. You are probably in the minority friend.

2.
This is a way to paper over quality control. Humans are genetically predisposed to like big hips and tits. There are numerous studies as to why. None of it matters. Some people (maybe you) prefer a slender or athletic frame. Doesn't matter either. There's a reason porn stars are universally skinny with big (often fake) tits. That's what people want to see. Producing products like this a numbers game. You do appeal to the largest audience with the most like and least amount of dislike. So when you're writing is weak, or you suck at coding, what's an easy way to bump up audience appeal? Cartoonishly large (though often unnaturally perfect) breasts and/or asses. So long humans keep being majority attracted to that, it will continue to be a coverall solution to games that lack quality.

3.
Same here. I can enjoy an incest story (I often like the secret aspect or the additional hurdles it puts up in front of the romance (I fucking love 'the chase' in real life and in games), but it's not up or down for me. It's just weird when it's built in and we have to ignore it. Better to play the game as intended.

4.
This one I don't understand either? Maybe people have a shitty relationship with their mom IRL? Sad, if true. More likely though is has to do with the power imbalance. I had this girlfriend years ago, super cool chick, very close with her mom and dad, a bit of a geek, but not fucked up in the head or anything. But she would always call me 'Papi' in bed. And having never had a girl do that, I was kind of curious so I asked her about it. What she told me tracked with some stuff I looked up on the internet, which is that for most girls when they call you 'daddy' in bed, it's not about wanting to fuck their dad, its about power. As Oscar Wilde once said, “ everything in the world is about sex — except sex. Sex is about power. No disrespect to OW, but I think he gets it ALMOST right. Sex is about roles, its about structure. It's an act of union. Some unions are a meeting of equals, where two people come together (cum together, hehe) and share something, each of them bringing something and taking something else, like a swap. Other 'unions' there is one clear dominant partner. This person gives or takes, but they also control the interaction, they set the terms, and the other partner basically endures them. This tracked with my GF as well, when we made love in our bed, she called me by my name or a pet name. But when she wanted to be tied up or just dragged off to bed and railed, I became 'Papi'. Fun girl.

Anyway, I expect that the 'mom' thing is either a female counterpart to that OR an attempted perversion of that. Parent's have a great deal of power over their children, and by sexually dominating them, you take that power for yourself. You tell them that they are at best now your equal, which I can understand the appeal of. Power is sexy.

 

[Son of Durin]

The counterpoint to this is good wrting is wasted on a lot of people. And having written several 'adult' stories now, what the majority of readers want in their filth is a blunt object. Yeah a subtle touch is better and yeah, from a writing perspective it kills me to see that exact specific thing, but some people are... well ... stupid and others have zero imagination. They NEED you to spell it out in thirty foot tall bright neon letters. It's just these people won't come on the forum and eloquently complain, because they can barely read, and their 'ritin' isn't much better.

Which is why you simply ignore them and move along.

 

[Dogorti]

Fetishes are basically addictions. For most heavy porn users, the ability to get off, isn't just enhanced by one or two triggers, its defined by them. They've desensitized themselves so badly, and funneled their attractions so specifically that unless you match them up, they can't get off. So what you're seeing is just desperation. These people really want to cum again, want to make it feel like the first time, but they can't. Even if they had every single screw turned, they couldn't, but they'll keep chasing that high, cause that's what addiction is all about.

 

[walker188]

Which is why you simply ignore them and move along.

Sure. If your sole goal as a dev is to produce the greatest piece of art possible. But if you want to make money, you give the people what they want.

Case in point, this website is miles more popular than adult sex story websites. Why? Cause reading is hard and people want pictures. If you really disagreed, we'd be having this conversation on a different website, no?

 

[Son of Durin]

Sure. If your sole goal as a dev is to produce the greatest piece of art possible. But if you want to make money, you give the people what they want.

Case in point, this website is miles more popular than adult sex story websites. Why? Cause reading is hard and people want pictures. If you really disagreed, we'd be having this conversation on a different website, no?

I really only come here because it's a place to get free access to games and have the occasional conversation with some of the few folks here that have an IQ above room temp.

No artist will become completely successful in their art if he only does what people say he should do - his heart won't be in it and it will suck. Make something that sucks (other than a vacuum or sex toy) and you won't make money at that, either, at least not in any real measure or for very long. Keep in mind, the idiots likely don't have much to spend anyway - they've already wasted their extra income on alcohol, cigs and lottery tickets.

Better off being true to yourself and do the best you can with your heart and soul in it.

 

[armond]

Sure. If your sole goal as a dev is to produce the greatest piece of art possible. But if you want to make money, you give the people what they want.

Case in point, this website is miles more popular than adult sex story websites. Why? Cause reading is hard and people want pictures. If you really disagreed, we'd be having this conversation on a different website, no?

It's not because reading is hard, it's a time investment that you may be dissatisfied with. Well, I suppose you could be illiterate?

 

[Filipis]

I really only come here because it's a place to get free access to games and have the occasional conversation with some of the few folks here that have an IQ above room temp.

No artist will become completely successful in their art if he only does what people say he should do - his heart won't be in it and it will suck. Make something that sucks (other than a vacuum or sex toy) and you won't make money at that, either, at least not in any real measure or for very long. Keep in mind, the idiots likely don't have much to spend anyway - they've already wasted their extra income on alcohol, cigs and lottery tickets.

Better off being true to yourself and do the best you can with your heart and soul in it.

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I much prefer art that was done with passion, since if I disagree with it (conceptually or ideologically) I will simply ignore it. But if a piece of art has a subject you like (due to being a member of the purposefully targeted demographic), yet quickly devolves into a mish-mash of genres and subjects you do not agree with, it becomes evident that the developer has only one thing on his mind - money. Maybe he uses the opportunity to practice his skills, but the end result just reflects badly on him and his reputation.

If you as a dev don't like incest/BDSM/impregnation, then don't do it. Simple as that. Write about topics you are passionate in, and the results will speak for themselves.

 

[hcguy]

Make something that sucks (other than a vacuum or sex toy) and you won't make money at that, either, at least not in any real measure or for very long.

Stephanie Meyers (and her $120 million) and E.L. James (and her $150 million) might disagree. I would consider both of those amounts a "real measure" and if you can make that much, why would it even matter if your fame is fleeting? And those two are only a tiny part of a much larger list.

 

[Son of Durin]

Stephanie Meyers (and her $120 million) and E.L. James (and her $150 million) might disagree. I would consider both of those amounts a "real measure" and if you can make that much, why would it even matter if your fame is fleeting? And those two are only a tiny part of a much larger list.

I've never heard of them. Back to ignoring you.