For an abandoned game he still collects 3675 euro every month on patreon. An also has 121 subscribers on subscribestar.
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I was getting optimistic at first, when I saw the announcement, but now that I think about it I could slap myself. I think your analysis is correct. I mean, in a situation like this, there is nothing Alorth can do to make SirD get serious and like you said (evem assuming they weren't both OK with the situation), making a whole chapter in just three months is unlikely. There is all the back and forth, waiting for email replies probably, redone renders, rewrites, ren'py coding, debugging, and that's assuming the overall story is already designed (IOW he already has a plan for what is going to happen to the characters, all the way to the end). Maybe that can be done if he gives us a ridiculously smal chapter, but I'm willing to bet that wouldn't go down well, and even then, it might be back to the old tricks again of putting out wallpapers and delaying things over and over, but it's doubtful that could work, most people hare are wise to the act.
Cautiously optimistic, but it's unlikely we'll get the whole game.
Are you a SirDammed Bot? You are doing a very poor job being one. How can you even defend such behavior in the first place?
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Most posters seem to make very little effort to understand what's going on. Circle-jerk groupings.
I am able to separate-->Devs bad, games good.
The root cause of "such behaviour" is that the Patreon system is a scam. A subscriber-based payment system that, using legal sleight-of-hand, pretends to be a patronage system. So, content creators are incentivized to give some content monthly even in itty-bitty amounts.
The Devs of AVNs can pretend that non-canon wallpapers are somehow worthy of what a "patron" pays monthly.
In Radiant's case, maybe nothing at all. No refunds for supporters, no forced contractual pauses of monthly charges by Patreon. No pauses by Dev equates to Dev-scamming. You "think" I defend this shit ??
Devs, as a group, naturally behave much worse in such a corrupt system. Several posters recently expressed a desire to become a Dev so they, themselves, can get a share of that sweet rip-off money (money for nothing).
I have consistently called out SirD for being a top-tier abuser of supporters.
Other posters absurdly claim it's the supporters who abuse the system ?! To what end ? Just separate the money-takers from the money-givers to see the real abusers.
Some posters also say don't support SirD but do support some other Dev. Makes no sense. Many supposedly good Devs have gone bad, with the system helping this process along.
You want to be an extremist. Go ahead. I'm an independent thinker.
That´s not what you have been saying so far, hence what i said what i said. If your stance from the beginning was this one, there would be no reason for me to say such a thing.
You kept defending the lazyness of the dev, that good writing takes times, blah blah blah. I think we all want the game to succedd, that was never the point. I couldn´t care less about patreon or subscriber and so on. Just like i do in life, if i promise to do something i will, in work and in life, and the dev failed completely at that.
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Alorth said this on the radiant discord:
It seems like alorth just got tired of sir dammed's shit. Overall Alorth has a good reputation in the community but people have started comparing them to ICSTOR. I wouldn't want to be involved in a project like that either, so if Sir Dammed doesn't get his shit together, I believe that Alorth will just leave the team.
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It's quite sad. The game has a great setting and good intentions (a 'loving dad' path without any sexual interaction is not common) and obviously some team members that believe in it. I have no idea why the one responsible fucked it up that badly. He must be well aware what happens if he does not just deliver little, but nothing at all. That's why I partially believe him that the delays are not intentional. No one is THAT stupid to fuck something good up like this on purpose.
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When people are still paying you even though you haven't released anything in 8 months, you don't really have much of an incentive to work. I defend a lot of devs on this forum because shit happens in life and I have had periods of my life where it seemed like everything was going wrong at the same time. The issue with this game is that it has been like this pretty much since the beginning. There was a period of 14 months where they didn't release anything. At this point it's really really hard to believe that he isn't doing this on purpose.
"Since I have a few staff members to pay". Then that means I nailed it. Part of those monthly earnings go to Alorth, as they share revenue from Patreon. I can see how he doesn't like it if the revenue drops, especially if he has other people to pay.
https://f95zone.to/threads/radiant-v0-5-alpha-rk-studios.49572/post-12231384
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Yeah that is the reason why in the past few months I have been more critical of Alorth. Even if SirD is the one that is not doing shit, Alorth is also making money from the project so he can't just say "hey it's not my fault" and just let things continue the same way. He should've put his foot down a long time ago, but I guess it's better late than never.
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Who believes they can release chapter 6 by March? Does an alpha or even a pre-alpha count?
And more importantly, what about the wallpapers? They've missed 3 months now
And more importantly, what about the wallpapers? They've missed 3 months now
Not by much. In a team of a writer and an artist, if one of them leaves you can try to replace him but it's not so easy and it won't be the same
If he put as much energy in writing his game rather than those posts....
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Ah! I see.
You're obviously confusing me with someone else. NEVER have I defended SirD.
IMHO, some people have conflated Radiant with SirD whereas I view them as distinct. Therefore, I will defend Radiant but not SirD.
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So we have another one down the drain? Shame cuz it was a good game... Oh well to the next one i go lol
Have you seen any kind of commitment as to how long Chapter 6 will need to be? That is kind of the problem here: Alorth has to take control and kick Jammed in the ass to make him move forward, but what is preventing the latter from releasing 15 minutes of content in March and calling it Chapter 6?
In addition to this, no one knows how they agreed to split the Patreon money, but the fact is, Alorth has some people to pay (I thing he hired/trained at least 1 person during development of chapter 4) even while they sit idle waiting for Jammed to get in gear, and he cannot commit to another project in the meantime otherwise he would be responsible for the delays, while Jammed can just pocket the money after doing nothing for 9 month without owing anything to anyone.
The delays and lack of information/communication has been damaging both devs' reputation, but I believe Jammed does not really care about that anymore given his history with Polarity (which still earns him a couple hundred buck despite not getting a single patreon post for over 2 years)
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You aren't wrong. Patreon rewards the dev model of good first couple of updates, and then for the dev to drag it out as long as possible. The absolute worst thing to happen for a dev is to finish their game. Then all the income stops. So devs have little incentive to ever finish. I applaud the few like DanielsK, Caribdis, and Mr. Dots, who release consistently, finish their games, and then immediately start the next one.
If you were a dev that were trying to maximize your revenue and minimize labor, you basically finish your work at your own pace, and then hold on to each release, writing fake status updates every 2 weeks or so and releasing the occasional screen shot or wallpaper to keep interest up, until you lose a certain percentage of subscribers, say 30%, whether that takes 6 months or 1 and a half years, and then release and repeat.
I consider Radiant the penultimate case of this dev style. Lots of build up at first, a reasonable time frame for first update, then very small yearly updates to keep the Patreon cash flowing with very little monthly effort by the dev team. Lots of popular games here, too many to count, do this exact same thing. Releasing regularly, respecting your fans, is really the exception rather than the rule.
But, we all have to remember that without the Patreon model, there would be almost no adult games. How many adult games were there before Patron became popular? Very, very, few. There were some Japanese imports of mostly anime style, a small handful of Steam games like House Party once Steam allowed adult games around 4 or 5 years ago, lots of low quality flash games not worth playing, a few expensive low quality monthly subscription games or those where the base game is free and you buy assets for an exorbitant price, and that is it.
Nothing with any type of interesting story, nothing with high quality realistic renders at all, because it isn't worth a devs time to spend many months of labor and rendering time, buying assets and electricity for your power hungry rendering PC, writing and working for free, just to release something a year or two later once everything is complete for $10 or $20 per download, just to get eclipsed by the next big thing and forgotten a few months later. It is a lose-lose proposition, which is why practically no devs charge only after their games are completed.
Patreon, as much as some devs abuse their fans goodwill (and forgetfulness to unsubscribe, people are still subscribed to Milfy City for example), the ability to slowly develop your adult game in your spare time, and get a few hundred or more a month to make it worth your while, keep the games coming.
Whatever your favorite game is here, it wouldn't exist without Patron or a similar fan-based monthly paying model. Radiant certainly wouldn't exist.
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But if you do a LITTLE work, you can make these 8 months into 16 months or 24. He must know that.
Can't argue with what you're saying. Well, it's the same with welfare or charities. They both get abused. But still when you back the wrong horse, like with Radiant, it stings. And it stings even worse since it is a really cool game. If anything, this and Lost at Birth are some of the best games I've encountered so far. But it feels too much like "you pays your money, you takes you chances".