Elsiss Surana

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I am unlikely to implement full arcs that are based on you meeting a sexy bad end. I don't think there's anything wrong with them as an idea (and perhaps, later on, the mod community will step in to fill that gap)
It's interesting that this topic of how to continue a story after our character has been hypnotized/brainwashed has come up. I myself get annoyed when being hypnotized leads to a bad end and there is nothing after it, but it can be really hard to write a compelling story when your story can be derailed by being turned into someone else's slave. It's one of the reasons why, if you are going to have mind control in your game, it has to be planned ahead. If you don't it causes the author to have to write a whole separate story just for the mind control.

Thus far I have thought of three ways to make this happen.
1. The mind control is part of the main storyline.
Your character is going to be hypnotized and controlled by the enemy, there is no way out of it. You might find a way out of it near the end, but for the most part your character being mind controlled is going to be part of the story.

2. Your character can complete the main storyline working for the protagonist faction, or working for a hypnotic mind controlling antagonist faction
In this case, something is happening that both the protagonist faction and the antagonist faction want to prevent/control/ect.
Let's say there is an evil god that is trying to open a portal to your world that will cause the end of the world. You are the chosen hero who can stop it. There is another cult that wants to stop the end of the world and use the powers of the evil god to take over. If you stay with the protagonist faction, you get the standard good guy ending. If you fail a certain side quest, or a main quest with the evil cult, they capture you and brainwash you into working for them. Now you have the exact same goal of stopping the evil god, but you also have the added goal of helping the cult take over the world. Some of the cult related side quests can even involve capturing your former team mates and hypnotizing them as well.

3. You character is hypnotized by an NPC who has little or nothing to do with the main plot, but needs you to complete your original mission anyway.
Let's go with the previous end of the world example. Your character just happens to be going along and runs into a NPC who finds a way to hypnotize your character. The NPC either knows the importance of your character and their quest, or finds out after your character is their mind controlled slave. Either way, in order to save themselves, they order you to continue on your mission while still serving them. This could range from something as simple as acting as their enforcer for criminal activities all the way to lewd acts. After the main quest is done, and you are no longer needed to save the world, the NPC either keep you as a spy in your original faction or brings you over as a full time slave for them.

Depending on how much work you want to put into the story, you can have it as a simple loyalty swap and they obey the enslaver without question or you can have how the main character reacts to being mind controlled as part of the story. Are they fully aware that they are mind controlled and actively trying to fight it or find ways to escape? Are they more like a sleeper agent, where certain key phrases or images trigger them to fall back into trance were they become completely obedient to the orders they are given? Is it a slow process where the control is deepened over time and the more orders the player has the character obey, they further under hypnotic control they go?

Anyway, just a minor rant from me on the topic. I'm enjoying this game thus far and look forward to the next update.
 

Master of Puppets

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Oct 5, 2017
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The morale is not the problem but lack of tooltips and system interface. Renpy engine simply wasn't meant to be used like a strategy game but instead of dating simulator with options. The problem with targets and assaulting them are that: 1) you don't know requirements how high morale you need 2) you don't know the reward you will gain either by pillaging or sparing, and what the consequences are when ignoring target 3) once you began losing, you can easily spiral morale down to 0 and be unable to increase it.
None of that has anything to do with Renpy. Sure it's not going to hold your hand if you go beyond the typical VN mould but it's very flexible and can support all sorts of games beyond plain VNs. Look at all the sandbox and trainer games made with it for examples.
 

Pink Chaos

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Dec 4, 2019
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You absolutely can do complicated interfaces with Renpy. Long Live The Queen (a non-porn but very good Renpy game) is a very excellent example. And you can do mouseover stuff with Renpy, for example having a text panel that tells you what the option you're hovering over does.

Mind, at least some of this stuff requires familiarity with programming (specifically the Python language, which Renpy uses). But if you're halfway decent at that you can do some wild stuff.
 

mmd123

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May 9, 2020
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okay, first and foremost, 4minutewarning? I FUCKING LOVE YOU FOR THIS GAME... this game is fucking amazing, light-hearted, sorrowful, suspenseful, and just... I have now hit the "this is as far as you can go at present. you will be able to complete this plotline in a future version" message 3 fucking times now.... it is both hilarious, and pissing me the hell off. this game is fucking gold. I anxiously await future versions with glee. this is freaking awesome. BONUS POINTS AND BEYOND FOR THE ABILITY TO TOGGLE OFF UNDESIRED CONTENT TYPES WHILE STILL BEING ABLE TO PLAY THE GAME. NOT MANY DEV'S DO SHIT LIKE THIS, AND I FUCKING ADORE YOU FOR THAT ALONE. there have been many a wondrous game I sought to play, that I found out I just flat out have to avoid due to inability to turn certain things off, such as, being severely squeamish as I am, gore, if done realistically, physically makes me ill, as in legit would get sick from it, this game clearly has gore in parts, including but not limited to death scenes (hello dragon, can eat people) and the fact I can disable that?! FUCKIN LOVE IT.

you have won my respect for this game, its contents, the ability to toggle things undesired and still maintain play-ability, and my sincere desire to play more, whenever it becomes available

for what it is worth, I do not post here often, twice to date, this being one of them. I lurk, and download games here to play/trial/test if I like them regularly, but very rarely do I ever post about something. this definitely warranted a post. please keep up the amazing work on this game <3
 

sharpys

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May 21, 2017
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I know you can depose Adeline at the end of chp 4. Is chp 5 going to allow us to turn her into a slave and do the same things to her as the other captives?
 

MSGTNP

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Feb 5, 2020
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This may seem dumb but why can't we take the nun at the beginning? It's kinda weird you get the option to take the Canoness but not the normal ranking sister.
 
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jsmitth529

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This may seem dumb but why can't we take the nun at the beginning? It's kinda weird you get the option to take the Canoness but not the normal ranking sister.
There just isn't content written about it yet, though the developer (or other member of the team, I forget because I'm dumb) has said that content is planned for her in the future, so it'll definitely come, we just have to wait until it's written.
 

SerHawkes

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Oct 29, 2017
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As I continue to enjoy this game I have thoughts, or perhaps hopes. Or Both.

Elfies
For me, I have a special fondness and care for both Maelys and Heloise. Specially Mae, who is so well written and portrayed. I feel for her a ton and definitely want to take my time with her and show her that I'm not like most Dragons. I want cuddle her, play fight with her (once she has healed up) and kiss her as she is gently yet firmly pinned underneath us. I want so many things that earn both her trust and loyalty, but also her affection through both us and Heloise. Also would love to see Marie-Anne visit her and tend to her while we join their company, and see both versions of Mae, be it she tenses up (Despair) or relaxes a little (Doubt), maybe getting a affectionate nuzzle while Marie clothes her.

As for Heloise... she too is well written, which I like. From being a toy to become rather affectionate to us... I love it all. And I do hope we can get her to invite Mae into our chambers, not just for occasional fun times of course. I definitely want more Mae-Helo in the future :3

And Val... I can't decide if I want to hate fuck her or simply let her stew and play the long game to earn her trust.

Hoomans
Cooch for me feels like she is drinking to forget. Kinda want to see whats that's about. And would love to see more of her. Specially the rematch of Naho.

Abbess... I am unsure of. Don't really know much about her other than she has lost her mind.

Anne-Marie I adore and would love to see more of her around the place. Maybe taking Naho for a bath, much to her dislike. Definately seeing Mae and tending to her. Also I kinda would love to see her interact with Helo and our Daughter, maybe scolding her for trying to nab Sebastian. Kinda see her like a second mother of sorts. Oh, and Mina and her would be a grand time. Thick and boobs galore. :3

Mina I definitely have a thing for, second to my two elfy wives. Thick and big tiddies to boot. Would like the whole treasury knock up to be addressed down the road. Like 'Hey Chief... remember that time in the treasury...'

Darja I feel is natural for troublesome fun things. Like playing with Naho, who has to put up with it. And Malice and her getting up to no good at times. Simply adore.

Naho for me I am kinda on the fence. Like I don't want to break her and I don't want to put her through experiments. I do though want to soften her up a little and make her more of a softie yet still have that fighter spirit. And bear our young of course.
 
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jsmitth529

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If anyone is interested, here are the needed dialogue choices that set Malice's "disposition" for the consort abduction (and possibly cataclysm) event.
There are two talks - one happens when you visit kobold hordes and the other when you visit a "prisoner" - such as Naho, Valzira or enslaved Mina/Marie-anne.

Requirements and outcomes are as follows:


Good(power fantasy gets this automatically)
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Clingy(neutral, i guess?):
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Selfish("evil" if you wana be black-and-white about it):
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Those combinations are true in which path they lead to, but aren't absolutely required. Each path can be achieved by several different choice combinations, which I actually really like. What leads to what is designed logically, so it makes each path pretty easy to get to by just thinking for a bit, rather than hunting for the one true combination for each outcome.
 

thealucid

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Oct 10, 2018
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Does Mary-Anne only have the one sex scene with either doggy or missionary?

Her VA is by far my favorite, and I was hoping there would be some raunchy breeding dialog with her. Looking at the updates, seems like it's been a year since Marie-Anne got any additional VA work?
 
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JackSatcher

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Jul 3, 2017
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during the middle of pale rock battle scene i keep crashing? Anybody knows what's happening and if there is a fix for it?
 

BegoneThrot

Newbie
Apr 5, 2021
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I found some bug with mercenaries, I can't hire them. After talk with Rhyll I get 7 extra days, but mercs don't appear in the Lair and they don't join me at the beginning of the 4th Act. Anybody knows, what may cause this, or how to fix that?
 

MoolaMoona1

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Jan 1, 2019
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Does Mary-Anne only have the one sex scene with either doggy or missionary?

Her VA is by far my favorite, and I was hoping there would be some raunchy breeding dialog with her. Looking at the updates, seems like it's been a year since Marie-Anne got any additional VA work?
I keep forgetting this game has voice acting. I just leave it turned off, honestly.
 

thealucid

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Oct 10, 2018
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I keep forgetting this game has voice acting. I just leave it turned off, honestly.
I understand why since it can be pretty cringe-worthy at times- except for the Mary-Anne VA. If you haven't heard her lines yet I'd try enabling voice acting for her at least.
 
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