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Exactly. And besides, there is no such thing as 'not giving a shit about you' at all. They are either semi left to their own devices after sliding in a Drakitten baby or their your consorts. Think Otaku is trying to hit a homer into left field yet wiffing terribly.
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The dragon's kobolds are like... abnormal kobolds. I'm not sure HOW abnormal they are in the grand scheme of things because they act kind of ... airhead-y like regular kobolds, but they definitely look different at minimum...
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I think the prior batch of Kobolds are airheady for reason: Last Dragon didn't afford them the education and proper training. Hence why they are a bit of idiots. Stay in school Kobolds, stay in school.
These kobolds are also not pure. There are several generations removed from firstbloods.
- Jan 19, 2019
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I don't know what that means.
My point is that of all the potential consorts they are the least emotionally invested into you. I didn't even get the sense they had a stockholm syndrome. Seb is basically trying to play you throughout, and Inej wants to get back at her sister. Nej only helps you because she has the incestuous hots for her sister, and Seb because she wants to... get back at her sister. And by the end of Act III they basically want to leave. They only stay because Nej doesn't want to raise furry kobolds alone, I guess. At no time throughout their arcs do they show any kind of genuine affection towards you. Compare that to Heloise, who goes from trying to defeat you to basically wholeheartedly join you, and the Fangirl who goes from obsessing over you as a dragon to actually caring for you as an individual. Even Cooch seems to come to care for you.
So, yeah, seems to me like the cats don't really give much of a shit about you... as in, they don't really care for you that much, if at all. If I missed or misinterpreted some scene that suggests otherwise, I'm open to hear about it. But if anything it seems that my optimism and desire to interpret certain developments or dialogue as suggesting Nej at least likes you or something have been proven wrong. As I noted above, I partially hoped Nej was lying about the pregnancy and actually only said it to stay with you, but honestly given her obsession is with her sister it wouldn't have made sense.
OK people, please watch my video before you say the cat thieves don't care. It will explain a few things.
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Post it in the discord (
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) if you haven't already. The devs and fans like to have such discussions and go more in-depth than here on this forum. The main dev is also a cat owner of at least 1 but I think possibly 2 or 3 cats.
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Clearly I should have tried to go into detail instead of just making that curt response. I apologize for that and will now attempt to fix my mistake.
As I see it, for the sisters to go from being unhappy prisoners to in love with the dragon in the span of time that we have seen would be so unnatural that it could only be explained by Stockholm Syndrome. While that can absolutely be valid direction for a story to go, we already got it with Heloise and I for one want to see different things with different characters. If I'm not mistaken, you seem to be hung up on the the fact that they aren't in love NOW but I really think the building blocks ARE there for that to develop more naturally. The specifics are different for each sister so let me start with the one who is easier to explain...
Sabetha:
First of all, her wanting to leave says nothing about what she thinks of the dragon one way or the other. As hinted at in that scene as well as the one that gave a vague backstory for the sisters, she is suffering from some trauma that causes a deep fear of staying in one place too long. (it's not because she actually WANTS to leave us behind) Now imagine that we help her heal that trauma and she falls in love along the way. Wouldn't that be so much sweeter? Also, I can't help but notice that we were allowed to perform vaginal sex on the lesbian sister but not the bi sister. I wonder if that might mean that she will offer it herself after some sort of change in the relationship?
As for what her current feelings are... While she certainly isn't in love now I DO think she has at least some level of attachment. Aside from the fact that she had become comfortable enough around the dragon by the time she was made consort to not immediately escape; those obvious catlike things that she does in the comedic scenes are also the kind of things that a real cat is more likely to do with people they actually want to be around.
Inej:
Unlike Sabetha I do believe that Inej won't fall in love in the traditional sense. However, having a character like that become sexually close to and legitimately care about a person that they don't necessarily love in that specific way is something that has been done before and successfully in my opinion.
As for the pregnancy, her arguments about them staying for the sake of the baby would be completely moot if she didn't at least trust in the dragon to treat them well. On another note, your idea about the pregnancy being used as an excuse isn't completely destroyed just because it's real. The theory I would go with though is that she has long wanted for them to find a home where Sabetha could finally feel safe (because of the trauma) and realized that the pregnancy was a convenient excuse to prevent her sister from wasting the best chance they would likely ever have. (which again, suggests that she has put her trust in the dragon)
Actual valid points, Another way to look at it is the Devs playing to the cat half of the girls. Sabetha, being an outdoor cat, is uncomfortable being in one place for long periods of time. Whereas Inej, indoor cat, can get comfortable in most indoor places. Not to mention, cats as a species tend not to be able to trust anything for long periods of time. with that possible fact and your points, Bob, it is a bit more understandable story wise that they aren't fully into staying.Clearly I should have tried to go into detail instead of just making that curt response. I apologize for that and will now attempt to fix my mistake.
As I see it, for the sisters to go from being unhappy prisoners to in love with the dragon in the span of time that we have seen would be so unnatural that it could only be explained by Stockholm Syndrome. While that can absolutely be valid direction for a story to go, we already got it with Heloise and I for one want to see different things with different characters. If I'm not mistaken, you seem to be hung up on the the fact that they aren't in love NOW but I really think the building blocks ARE there for that to develop more naturally. The specifics are different for each sister so let me start with the one who is easier to explain...
Sabetha:
First of all, her wanting to leave says nothing about what she thinks of the dragon one way or the other. As hinted at in that scene as well as the one that gave a vague backstory for the sisters, she is suffering from some trauma that causes a deep fear of staying in one place too long. (it's not because she actually WANTS to leave us behind) Now imagine that we help her heal that trauma and she falls in love along the way. Wouldn't that be so much sweeter? Also, I can't help but notice that we were allowed to perform vaginal sex on the lesbian sister but not the bi sister. I wonder if that might mean that she will offer it herself after some sort of change in the relationship?
As for what her current feelings are... While she certainly isn't in love now I DO think she has at least some level of attachment. Aside from the fact that she had become comfortable enough around the dragon by the time she was made consort to not immediately escape; those obvious catlike things that she does in the comedic scenes are also the kind of things that a real cat is more likely to do with people they actually want to be around.
Inej:
Unlike Sabetha I do believe that Inej won't fall in love in the traditional sense. However, having a character like that become sexually close to and legitimately care about a person that they don't necessarily love in that specific way is something that has been done before and successfully in my opinion.
As for the pregnancy, her arguments about them staying for the sake of the baby would be completely moot if she didn't at least trust in the dragon to treat them well. On another note, your idea about the pregnancy being used as an excuse isn't completely destroyed just because it's real. The theory I would go with though is that she has long wanted for them to find a home where Sabetha could finally feel safe (because of the trauma) and realized that the pregnancy was a convenient excuse to prevent her sister from wasting the best chance they would likely ever have. (which again, suggests that she has put her trust in the dragon)
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Interesting take. I kinda tried to separate the cat parts from the human parts... took the cat scenes (actually, were there more than one? I only remember the one with the door) for humour and not seriously... mostly because I still expected cat girls to act like humans and not like actual cats... but I guess Ravager is more like Seton Academy and less like other cat girl anime...
NP. Thanks for discussion. Liked the story, and am eager to discuss it.
That kind of applies to everyone, really... Though with Heloise, I don't think it's really Stockholm Syndrome... or at least, it doesn't seem like it to me. It's prob just story gameplay segregation, she seems to have honestly embraced her situation and embraced her new life. And it actually makes sense. Unlike Valzira who's wholeheartedly embraced the Pale Council's propaganda about Naga, Heloise questions it. She accepts her new duties as a mother (interesting parallels with her being a chosen one of the mother goddess) and the whole thing changes her outlook on life.
Good points on the "in love NOW" aspect. To be fair, it does make sense for some characters to fall in love with you less gradually. Heck, this actually gives me hope that I might turn Valzira around eventually, not as a consort as much as just a person in general.
OK, fair points, you've really changed how I viewed these characters. Though I still hold they don't care nearly as much about the dragon as the other characters do, but I admit that they do seem to trust him more than at the start, do seem to have a very mild amount of care for him, maybe, and generally have gotten more comfortable around him.
But yeah, the more I think about it the weirder it gets. The Dragon's relationship with the thieves is literally someone taking in two stray cats and trying to tame them but also fucking them lol
That scene with the door can only be viewed with the GOOFY tag turned on. All scenes with that tag are considered non-canon
- Jan 19, 2019
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Yeah, I found the scene very funny, but assumed it's not entirely canon and shouldn't be taken too serious even without knowing it was a "GOOFY" scene. What other goofy scenes are there?
Moonday, Malagar contemplating on turning you humanoid, Heloise's reading material, Cooch looking for her tragic backstory, School Dream, kobolds getting sucked down a drain, playing knock knock with the guards when attacking Pale Rock.
There are several others but those are what I can remember off the top of my head
- Jan 19, 2019
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Oh, Moonday was goofy too? haha. I guess I was getting my hopes up for the Abbess enjoy herself wholesomely.
Yeah, the school dream def was goofy a.f. haha
I don't remember the other ones.
Wait, Heloise's reading material? Tell me more!
Yeah, the school dream def was goofy a.f. haha
I don't remember the other ones.
Wait, Heloise's reading material? Tell me more!
I actually got the door scene without the GOOFY tag. unless we're thinking of two different door scenes. the one I'm thinking about is when Sabetha scratches at the door to go out for a bit, then a few minutes later wants back in. the whole time Inej is comfortably sitting on the bed of hides and sheets. It actually pretty well displays the outdoor/indoor cat traits. the other 2 main times these are shown are when they first show up in the room, and during the invasion of Pale Rock. Sabetha wants to explore/leave, inej wants to settle down and get comfortable. There are other times, but Sabetha's main show of affection is, like an outdoor cat, always returning to you. Inej's main show of affection, Like an indoor cat, is her comfort level and viewing someone as "safe."
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Yea make her your consort or have commanded the kobolds to bring you enough treasure that while inspecting it mia will visit you.
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I still find it kind of weird, since I looked at them as human first and cat second. I want to make them my companions not my pets... maybe it's just me, but the whole looking for cat behaviour to confirm feelings rather than looking for human behaviour makes me thing they love me like cats not like humans, which makes me hesitant to fuck them and all... it'd be like fucking my cats... I dunno, it's just weird to me. Uncanny.