VN Ren'Py Rebirth [Ep.5 Update 13] [LikesBlondes]

[Nulldev]

Hey is anyone else experiencing problems downloading their saves from episode 2? There's always an exception when I'm trying to load up my saves. When I ignore the exception to start the AVN, my name's also not there for the MC. Is this a bug? Or can I fix this? I'd like some help please. Thanks in advance

Check out the "Save transfer fix" in the OP.

 

[reasoning988]

Check out the "Save transfer fix" in the OP.

I tried it and it does not work for me.

 

[D3xzalias]

I tried it and it does not work for me.

When you have installed the safe transfer fix. You have to replay the last part of episode 2 otherwise it won't work

 

[J.R.]

I tried it and it does not work for me.

Here are some hints for the save transfer from EP2 to EP3: link

 

[Arigon]

Hi Arigon I really enjoyed reading your speculative posts. However, I would disagree that the Vision Girl is the ancient Mesopotamian goddess Inanna usually associated with love, beauty, sex, war, justice and political power; and although she was sent to the underworld but came back she is not associated with vampirism. Artemis on the other hand is purported to have blessed Ambrogi (after he was cursed by Apollo and Hades) to have, amongst other things, eternal life, great speed and great strength, and the ability to use blood to sustain him (making use of everything from the hunt ...).

Hi Andrew!
Thanks for the kind words.
I will lay out what I am thinking, and have confirmed with Ptolemy in conversations under spoiler. Most of what our conversations have been about has been the great job that he and LikesBlondes are doing creating their own vampire myths while mechanically drawing on WoD materials. (And my torn nature to know exactly what is going on verses having theory crafting confirmed or denied)

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[TheimmortalP]

Oh wow, you're up to episode 3 now. That's great!

Just wanna be clear onsomething. Episode 2 is complete,r ight?

 

[c3p0]

Just wanna be clear onsomething. Episode 2 is complete,r ight?

Yes.

 

[andrew david irving]

Hi Arigon, thank you for your prompt and comprehensive reply as to the basis of your hypothesis, and you are surely 'ahead of the game' by having you conversations with Ptolemy. I would agree that it is likely that Calisto serves as a heireia to a Greek deity, but obviously there are lots of options. In the broadest sense most every ancient culture, the Mesopotamians, Hebrews, Greeks, Chinese, Manipuri and Romans , all had tales of deities and demons that used or required blood, and most could be considered as precursors to modern vampires in fiction. If you are going to opt for the Mesopotamians then in my opinion Liltu (later known as Lilith in Hebrew) or her daughter demon Lilu (who subsisted on the blood of babies) may in my mind be a better fit than either Inanna or one the derivative Greek options. Personally I am more than happy to wait until the story unfolds with subsequent updates, but speculating is also fun. I hope that you can recover soon.

 

[DA22]

Hi Arigon, thank you for your prompt and comprehensive reply as to the basis of your hypothesis, and you are surely 'ahead of the game' by having you conversations with Ptolemy. I would agree that it is likely that Calisto serves as a heireia to a Greek deity, but obviously there are lots of options. In the broadest sense most every ancient culture, the Mesopotamians, Hebrews, Greeks, Chinese, Manipuri and Romans , all had tales deities and demons that used or required blood, and most could be considered as precursors to modern vampires in fiction. If you are going to opt for the Mesopotamians then in my opinion Liltu (later known as Lilith in Hebrew) or her daughter demon Lilu (who subsisted on the blood of babies) may in my mind be a better fit than either Inanna or one the derivative Greek options. Personally I am more than happy to wait until the story unfolds with subsequent updates, but speculating is also fun. I hope that you can recover soon.

If I remember right Lillith as in the first wife of Adam type character was denied by Ptolemy in info he gave Arigon and was shared by Arigon here. Considering the exact right goddess that will be hard to pinpoint unless Ptolemy comes right out with the name and puts one on her. Remember there was definitely cultural migration in ancient times and almost all later cultures were influenced by the ones coming before them and gods or some aspects of them migrated quite a lot. The greek/roman pantheon was a very close direct transfer, but it was something that went on for millennia before that as well with later cultures adding their own aspects and names to those gods and sometimes forming new ones based upon various aspects of the older gods.

Also making pointing to a specific goddess even harder, since this specific Vampire within the game's lore would have been the inspiration for the tales and culture surrounding that goddess and might even have played her at times, but is her own person and not per se what the humans or even later vampires made of that goddess or how they thought she acted. A nice case in point is Aphrodite, well Christian culture tends to portray her in certain ways in which light we mainly tend to see her now, the hellfire club tended to focus on her more lustful aspects, but the Greeks saw her way more complicated and fully as a necessity but also serious dangerous creature that included both the more benign aspects of love and lust but also all the dark sides like obsession and such.

Edit: It may well be even impossible to point to one specific goddess, if the tales of her would have inspired the culture of a few different goddesses from the same period. She may well be both the Egyptian and Sumerian one at the same time but with slightly different aspects based upon the beliefs of her Egyptian and Sumerian followers or an even older one that is less known nowadays if she came from a culture that had no writing or that writing did not survive or was simply never found yet. Remember even from the ancient cultures that we know quite a bit about and we have written sources we still find things that make us have to evaluate things in new lights or show us that those written sources we knew definitely did not tell the whole tale about those civilizations.

 

[andrew david irving]

Hi DA22, and thank you for the information. I take the point about Liltu who was a Mesopotamian goddess first, who was later classified as the wife of Adam, and later still as a demon, and in modern fiction as the mother of all vampires VtMB and the mother of all demons Diablo 4. I agree that it is hard to pinpoint the actual deity or demon that Ptolemy has chosen, but the mystery only adds to the anticipation of future updates .... and I guess we will 'know' soon enough. Each deity and demon is usually associated with a wide range of attributes in order to have the widest appeal to the relevant cohort of the population, so obviously there are opportunities for overlap ... that also enables people to worship several that they interpret as being 'important' in some way or to interpret the deity in more than one way ... hence your examples.

 

[DA22]

Hi DA22, and thank you for the information. I take the point about Liltu who was a Mesopotamian goddess first, who was later classified as the wife of Adam, and later still as a demon, and in modern fiction as the mother of all vampires VtMB and the mother of all demons Diablo 4. I agree that it is hard to pinpoint the actual deity or demon that Ptolemy has chosen, but the mystery only adds to the anticipation of future updates .... and I guess we will 'know' soon enough. Each deity and demon is usually associated with a wide range of attributes in order to have the widest appeal to the relevant cohort of the population, so obviously there are opportunities for overlap ... that also enables people to worship several that they interpret as being 'important' in some way or to interpret the deity in more than one way ... hence your examples.

Bit off topic, but in Diablo 4 she is the daughter of Mephisto and an undisclosed Mother as far as I know and she herself is the mother/source of at least a significant number of the nephalim/humans in sanctuary. There were also other angels and demons that followed Inarius and Lillith when they broke away (or seemed to) from the Eternal War and created Sanctuary and likely have interbred as well, establishing the human race on Sanctuary, humans being a mix of the Angel and Demon races.

All the different views and functions of Lillith, do also make a case of what I tried to bring across yeah. Especially if we remember that Litlu was likely based upon even older goddesses or aspects of them that are lost in the mist of time that the Mesopotamians coopted and made fit in their culture and belief systems as others later did with Litlu.

 

[andrew david irving]

Hi DA22, and thank you for your prompt response. Obviously you are correct in that all deities and demons are almost always based on earlier concepts that get assimilated to suit the requirements of the 'current' perceived societal needs. Thinking laterally, if I was a writer and wanted to maintain mystery to the audience when certain guesses were in danger of exposing parts of the future plot, could I not use subterfuge to provide incorrect pointers to keep people guessing until I am ready to reveal ... with regards.

 

[DA22]

Hi DA22, and thank you for your prompt response. Obviously you are correct in that all deities and demons are almost always based on earlier concepts that get assimilated to suit the requirements of the 'current' perceived societal needs. Thinking laterally, if I was a writer and wanted to maintain mystery to the audience when certain guesses were in danger of exposing parts of the future plot, could I not use subterfuge to provide incorrect pointers to keep people guessing until I am ready to reveal ... with regards.

Well not even incorrect as such, as a writer you can just say there is a difference between the vampire person that was the role model and the concept that was based upon her, if you within the context of this game would say that some of those concepts were based upon a real (in context purely of the game) vampire with great powers. No falsehoods at all, just those Mesopotamians were not completely correct and biased by their own culture in the aspects they gave her if we would take Litlu as a possibility.

Just as like with the poster that kept dismissing Artemis and suggested a lesser member of that pantheon out of hand due to the concepts of chastity we nowadays associate as well with her, well at least he was partly right even if for maybe not the right reasons.

 

[andrew david irving]

Exactly, subterfuge with plausible deniability. From the erotic standpoint ... as you say Artemis was chaste (except for one that bested her) which is a bit of an odd choice for a porn game, but Inanna/Ishtar being the goddess of 'sexual rites' amongst other things could fit in well.... Practically speaking there is not enough information yet to home in on the correct choice, and artistic licence allows variance thereby enabling pre-conceptions to be either accepted or rejected or changed as the writer wishes, so lets wait and see what the actual answer is. If one wants a more extreme speculation - one could cast a Lilu-esque character rising from the swamp to act as a demonic adversary to the MC's deity - standard good vs evil battle ... but meh I am happy to wait and see.

 

[Arigon]

hi Guys,
I love this forum board the most of all of the boards I participate on. We have dedicated and interested and intelligent folks on here, and it makes it soooo much better.

Thanks for the well wishes on recovery, I am finishing my antibiotics tomorrow and then a Dr. trip to confirm the lungs are clear and we are good to go!

Lilith is off the table
Caine in any form is off the table
There are titans and Nephilim listed in the Judea Christian bibles and they might be possible as they are for the most part un unnamed, though the Orthodox Jewish documents list a large number of names that are not in the World of Darkness. For that matter Artemis from the World of Darkness is not Artemis here. There are no cross overs from World of Darkness. We need to eliminate that thought process from our theory crafting.

It is likely that many Generation 1 and 2s existed or exist. The different pantheons may actually have the same original inspirations/vampires.

So no Jewish or Christian myths that were used in World of Darkness. No Islamic references either, except there might be minor angel names or demon names.
As we only have 5 chapters, and this chapter is going to be revealing a good deal about our MC and the line of descent, as well as revealing some information on the ID of our Vision Girl, this should be a great chapter.

I suspect that a large amount of reveals will be on the Vision power we have. It is probably strategically the most important power we have.

I am going to try to put together a VtM character sheet of our powers, attributes, skills and abilities. Our humanity and virtues are far to individualized so I will leave those alone except to say that Calisto and Vision Girl will try to put us on a Path (Soul Stain will be involved in this I suspect strongly.) I think Sharon is clearly on the Path of Humanity and is trying to steer us in that direction. Several other vamps clearly are not on the humanity path. This is likely to be a very interesting speculative exercise as well. If anyone has some input to assist in assembling a VtM character sheet for our MC just to kind of visualize it, feel free to chime in, and we can hash it all out.
Thanks and Peace

 

[Arigon]

Hi Arigon, thank you for your prompt and comprehensive reply as to the basis of your hypothesis, and you are surely 'ahead of the game' by having you conversations with Ptolemy. I would agree that it is likely that Calisto serves as a heireia to a Greek deity, but obviously there are lots of options. In the broadest sense most every ancient culture, the Mesopotamians, Hebrews, Greeks, Chinese, Manipuri and Romans , all had tales of deities and demons that used or required blood, and most could be considered as precursors to modern vampires in fiction. If you are going to opt for the Mesopotamians then in my opinion Liltu (later known as Lilith in Hebrew) or her daughter demon Lilu (who subsisted on the blood of babies) may in my mind be a better fit than either Inanna or one the derivative Greek options. Personally I am more than happy to wait until the story unfolds with subsequent updates, but speculating is also fun. I hope that you can recover soon.

Oh and Andrew, absolutely on point about blood related worship rites. In theological/anthropology texts they are referred to as Cthonic, not Cthulu, but Cthonic Deities. These are gods and goddesses which required blood ceremonies. In that even Christian and Jewish and Islamic faiths are Cthonic.
Peace.

 

[dan9000]

could someone share a save to start ep 3?

 

[Deleted member 173891]

For those who have troubles starting EP3 here are some necessary steps:

1. You must have finished EP2 and also made a save transfer (don't forget to install the transfer fix from the OP first). Here are the pictures at the end of EP2:


2. Now in EP3 you MUST start a new game and import the save export you made. In no case load saves from EP2!
Here are pictures of the import:

tried the transfer fix but the save info didnt appear til its end game. (on Ch.2)






btw after i installed the save transfer fix, i started the game from the very beginning to its end. no save game info appears.

save transfer fix not working.

 

[Deleted member 173891]

That's really weird, something's not working properly there. Reinstalling the game probably won't help then either. You can try the complete version of the audio mod from the op, there is at least a save from the beginning of EP3 available ("hidden" under the Android download).

thanks. playing it now. just using his save file.

but different mc name.

 

[D3xzalias]

could someone share a save to start ep 3?

https://f95zone.to/threads/rebirth-ep-3-v1-likesblondes.34331/post-5599053