VN Ren'Py Rebirth [Ep.5 Update 15] [LikesBlondes]

[-CookieMonster666-]

Cindy will kick anyones ass that tries anything funny with Calisto. People think she is a thrall and Cindy is absolutely not one
She is probably older then Fabian and he is pretty old

So true, she can probably do a lot more harm to anyone who tries anything against Calisto, and it's honestly smart Calisto uses someone who looks innocent because no one would actually expect her to be a threat.

Cindy is so devoted to Calisto, I would assume she's been with Calisto for forever and isn't just a mindless follower. True, she apologizes and is very humble to Calisto, but I'm pretty sure there's a very good reason for it. Not knowing anything about the backstory of those characters really, I can imagine, just off the top of my head:

Perhaps Calisto met Cindy during the Middle Ages and saw a group of assholes ready to rape her or some such crap that was more common and unpunished back then. Calisto slew all of them and Cindy has looked at her like a mother/protector ever since, even finally getting her wish and being embraced to defend better the role model she loves.​

And, of course, there could be many other backstories that equally well explain their relationship and support the idea that Cindy is no mere thrall (which I agree is almost certainly true).

 

[UncleFredo]

Despite the issues with this site I managed to download EP 1 and EP2 (I'd deleted them to save space). I've played EP1, EP2, and the current release of EP3, pretty much without pause. This exercise has given me additional insight into and questions about some of the story.

Did Calisto leave the MC to die?

Yes. Fabian remarks that Calisto will be (surprised or angry - I forget) by the MC's survival. Calisto herself tells the MC she's surprised he survived. So any notion that she gave a single shit about the MC when she turned him is not supported by the story.

However, given that he did survive, his unusually rapid growth in power and the diversity of his powers, she now seems interested in him, or perhaps his progress. Clearly, she knows what powers he's going to inherit and apparently she's willing to teach him powers as well. Perhaps it's a leg up on powers he might inherit anyway, or those powers will be in addition to his heritage. Her interest may be simply for her entertainment (remember their initial conversation about how bored she was when he met her), or perhaps she has some plan for an unexpected resource.

Why does the MC "sleep" so late?

Fabian is obviously much older than the MC, yet he wakes much earlier. He comments that the MC "sleeps too late for one so young". The narrative is designed to suggest that, because the MC was turned by Calisto, he has the power of an "older" perhaps much "older" vampire than a vampire so newly made.

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In an earlier comment I pointed out that the pace of this story has picked up. Reading/playing all three episodes back to back, I now think that, except for the lack of progress with regard to sexual interaction, the pace was more consistent. However, a great deal of the pace was on story fragments that haven't advanced the central growth of the MC. This results in a sense of stagnation, because those of us who don't live and breathe VtM, are more focused on the MC's progress.

I suggest that the writers get a little less cryptic about the back story and focus more on the narrative that you've placed directly in the MC's path. That's just my suggestion. I fully support the developers advancing this VN as they see fit.

This exercise has caused me to revise my opinion of EP2 and EP3, they are better than I remembered. That said I'll stick with my assessment that EP1 is a masterpiece.

 

[Meushi]

Fabian is obviously much older than the MC, yet he wakes much earlier. He comments that the MC "sleeps too late for one so young". The narrative is designed to suggest that, because the MC was turned by Calisto, he has the power of an "older" perhaps much "older" vampire than a vampire so newly made.

That wouldn't make much sense? Sharon sleeps even later than MC, and she's much younger than Fabian too.

Fabian attributes his lethargy to misbehaviour, not quasi-elder power:

f "\" A little late in getting up, aren't you?\""
f "\" You're too young to be getting up so late.\""
f "\" Have you been getting on to nasty things?\"" # typo: on to > up to

If doing nasty things makes these vamps late to rise, it's a wonder Astrid ever wakes...

 

[Wills747]

My android port of Rebirth EP1 with @ZoeyRaven walkthrough.
Usual gestures etc.
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My android port of Rebirth EP2 with @ZoeyRaven walkthrough.
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My android port of Rebirth EP3 update 8 with @ZoeyRaven walkthrough.
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To move from EP1 to EP2 go to storage/SDcard Wills747/rebirth.ep1 (or rebirth.ep2) and copy RebirthP1.renpy.org into Wills747/rebirth.ep2 folder
To move from EP2 to EP3 go to storage/SDcard Wills747/rebirth.ep2 and copy RebirthP1.renpy.org AND RebirthP2.renpy.org into Documents/Wills747/rebirth.ep3 folder

Updated my Android port to Ep3 U8

 

[Hildegardt]

That wouldn't make much sense? Sharon sleeps even later than MC, and she's much younger than Fabian too.

Fabian attributes his lethargy to misbehaviour, not quasi-elder power:

f "\" A little late in getting up, aren't you?\""
f "\" You're too young to be getting up so late.\""
f "\" Have you been getting on to nasty things?\"" # typo: on to > up to

If doing nasty things makes these vamps late to rise, it's a wonder Astrid ever wakes...

Sharon equates these nasty things with giving into your needs, if I remember correctly. She wants the MC to drink blood only because he wants to, not because he needs to. But then she also seems to think that being self-indulgent is nasty, because she only hunts as little as possible, which is weird because you'd think that controlling your hunger is easier, when you're satiated. Even if she wants to make it harder on herself to test her self-control, it doesn't seem like drinking blood on its own is supposed to be a bad thing and it's more about how you drink your blood, so why even bother?
Also, who's to say that Astrid needs to do the things she's doing? Maybe she wants to be nasty. Atleast she seems to be quite happy and in control. And then again, Sharon despises her, but is a very late riser herself. Maybe they were both up to some nasty shit together, when they were still a couple.

Sharon also didn't have any blood dolls before, which makes sense, if she only wants to drink as little as possible. But she doesn't seem to have anything against the concept of blood dolls, because she encourages the MC to get some. This seems pretty self-indulgent to me, so it's a little out of character in my opinion.
But then it's Fabian that accuses Sharon's household of being up to nasty things and him and the rest of Calisto's retinue seem to love blood dolls. Calisto also just turned a random guy, seemingly without much thought, and left him to die. Who knows how often she did that before and the MC is just the first one to survive. Fabian's dialogue makes it seem like he's an early riser, because he's "pious", for lack of a better word. But Calisto and the rest of her retinue are shown to be quite decadent.

Idk, it seems like "the beast" isn't clearly defined, yet and some parts of it might get retconned by saying that Sharon just doesn't know any better and hates the vampire ways only, because of her breakup with Astrid.

 

[DA22]

Despite the issues with this site I managed to download EP 1 and EP2 (I'd deleted them to save space). I've played EP1, EP2, and the current release of EP3, pretty much without pause. This exercise has given me additional insight into and questions about some of the story.

Did Calisto leave the MC to die?

Yes. Fabian remarks that Calisto will be (surprised or angry - I forget) by the MC's survival. Calisto herself tells the MC she's surprised he survived. So any notion that she gave a single shit about the MC when she turned him is not supported by the story.

However, given that he did survive, his unusually rapid growth in power and the diversity of his powers, she now seems interested in him, or perhaps his progress. Clearly, she knows what powers he's going to inherit and apparently she's willing to teach him powers as well. Perhaps it's a leg up on powers he might inherit anyway, or those powers will be in addition to his heritage. Her interest may be simply for her entertainment (remember their initial conversation about how bored she was when he met her), or perhaps she has some plan for an unexpected resource.

Why does the MC "sleep" so late?

Fabian is obviously much older than the MC, yet he wakes much earlier. He comments that the MC "sleeps too late for one so young". The narrative is designed to suggest that, because the MC was turned by Calisto, he has the power of an "older" perhaps much "older" vampire than a vampire so newly made.

----------

In an earlier comment I pointed out that the pace of this story has picked up. Reading/playing all three episodes back to back, I now think that, except for the lack of progress with regard to sexual interaction, the pace was more consistent. However, a great deal of the pace was on story fragments that haven't advanced the central growth of the MC. This results in a sense of stagnation, because those of us who don't live and breathe VtM, are more focused on the MC's progress.

I suggest that the writers get a little less cryptic about the back story and focus more on the narrative that you've placed directly in the MC's path. That's just my suggestion. I fully support the developers advancing this VN as they see fit.

This exercise has caused me to revise my opinion of EP2 and EP3, they are better than I remembered. That said I'll stick with my assessment that EP1 is a masterpiece.

Smile, yes that was exactly what I thought as well when recently replayed update 3.6 until now. That devs might be holding their cards a little to close to their chests and chars too ambiguous, making it a bit to hard too move forward and for players to plot a course. Also making it slightly to hard for us to make choices at the moment since really no idea if carmenmarked and lauriemarked will be good or bad for them in the end or will depend on your relation with C. Another thing I noticed is that the shortness of the updates, may help hiding things for us, by not seeing them in the greater context of the story.

Hildegardt Well Sharon has been a bit of an enigma from start. Just replaying from update 3.6 (slight save problem) and doing meeting Marcius again, but also her own remark they have a bullseye on their backs before meeting up with Frank, makes it quite clear she indeed is a power player (if maybe not the most powerful one) and has been for awhile. Also that she has been a voluntary part of a coterie with Marcius and Astrid, at least for a while. This might explain why Sharon wakes so late, but not MC. We know he did nothing bad if we chose so and still wakes late. So either he has an extreme strong bloodline as the reason why he would wake that late (though Fabian whom we expect to be really strong does not), implying if that is the reason Sharon does as well or the other option might be is that feeding as Sharon and MC do with bottled blood is the reason or something is wrong with that blood.

Since that blood is the one thing they share or could it have to do with the part bond with Sharon? Or there is a reason we are still unaware of, but it is weird it is something Sharon and MC share, since we have only Fabians remark and Sharons knowledge though as parameters to guide us it could be anything. Will be interesting to know when C wakes. Like I said devs have been very good at hiding clues and keeping cards close to their chests also by showing us and giving us the information until now through colored glasses, mainly Sharon and Andrew's concerning the vamp world.

Well another thing that is getting clearer is that most or all sharonsavesLaurie points come from choices where MC is good to Sharon and makes her care even more for him. Showing that it will not be from goodness of Sharon's heart she will save Laurie likely, but completely depends on how she feels about MC, combine that with the Ivy scene where Sharon happily is willing to destroy her mind and we can be quite sure that she is not a paragon of virtue and is more a true vampire.

One last thing about Sharon that is my guess and that Arigon might not like, since it may weaken his theory. Somehow I have the suspicion that Sharon might be Virgil's and that both the princeps and Virgil actually knew already more about the temple nd even served it for quite a while, they would be pretty incompetent if knew nothing about it while in their territory for quite a while and many others around them do. The Temple does not seem to be a real secret it exists, but more what it is about, and yeah I would not be surprised if the blood Sharon drank contained C's blood instead of Virgil's or that of the princeps. Hopefully some hints or questions will be answered about the mysteries in rest of this chapter so story can unfold.

PS: what the hell last scene with VG, seems we will not be able to hope grandma any times removed will be on our side either.

 

[D3xzalias]

So either he has an extreme strong bloodline as the reason why he would wake that late (though Fabian whom we expect to be really strong does not),

Fabian is not a direct descendant from Calisto Fabian is probably like 2 branches away from Calisto (if you look at her family tree )while MC is from Main branch of tree. (Yes Fabian is very old but nowhere near the blood strenght of MC)Fabian also says to MC, Hello Cousin. While yes you get to see Calisto meeting with Fabian. I honestly think it was more in a way of Fabian bringing tribute to her

 

[Warscared]

If doing nasty things makes these vamps late to rise, it's a wonder Astrid ever wakes...

herm i think i just got a stiffy... Astrid being nasty and not getting out of bed! stop putting those images in my head!

where do you think you are a porn site? Oh... right!

Smile, yes that was exactly what I thought as well when recently replayed update 3.6 until now. That devs might be holding their cards a little to close to their chests and chars too ambiguous, making it a bit to hard too move forward and for players to plot a course. Also making it slightly to hard for us to make choices at the moment since really no idea if carmenmarked and lauriemarked will be good or bad for them in the end or will depend on your relation with C. Another thing I noticed is that the shortness of the updates, may help hiding things for us, by not seeing them in the greater context of the story.

Hildegardt Well Sharon has been a bit of an enigma from start. Just replaying from update 3.6 (slight save problem) and doing meeting Marcius again, but also her own remark they have a bullseye on their backs before meeting up with Frank, makes it quite clear she indeed is a power player (if maybe not the most powerful one) and has been for awhile. Also that she has been a voluntary part of a coterie with Marcius and Astrid, at least for a while. This might explain why Sharon wakes so late, but not MC. We know he did nothing bad if we chose so and still wakes late. So either he has an extreme strong bloodline as the reason why he would wake that late (though Fabian whom we expect to be really strong does not), implying if that is the reason Sharon does as well or the other option might be is that feeding as Sharon and MC do with bottled blood is the reason or something is wrong with that blood.

Since that blood is the one thing they share or could it have to do with the part bond with Sharon? Or there is a reason we are still unaware of, but it is weird it is something Sharon and MC share, since we have only Fabians remark and Sharons knowledge though as parameters to guide us it could be anything. Will be interesting to know when C wakes. Like I said devs have been very good at hiding clues and keeping cards close to their chests also by showing us and giving us the information until now through colored glasses, mainly Sharon and Andrew's concerning the vamp world.

Well another thing that is getting clearer is that most or all sharonsavesLaurie points come from choices where MC is good to Sharon and makes her care even more for him. Showing that it will not be from goodness of Sharon's heart she will save Laurie likely, but completely depends on how she feels about MC, combine that with the Ivy scene where Sharon happily is willing to destroy her mind and we can be quite sure that she is not a paragon of virtue and is more a true vampire.

One last thing about Sharon that is my guess and that Arigon might not like, since it may weaken his theory. Somehow I have the suspicion that Sharon might be Virgil's and that both the princeps and Virgil actually knew already more about the temple nd even served it for quite a while, they would be pretty incompetent if knew nothing about it while in their territory for quite a while and many others around them do. The Temple does not seem to be a real secret it exists, but more what it is about, and yeah I would not be surprised if the blood Sharon drank contained C's blood instead of Virgil's or that of the princeps. Hopefully some hints or questions will be answered about the mysteries in rest of this chapter so story can unfold.

PS: what the hell last scene with VG, seems we will not be able to hope grandma any times removed will be on our side either.

what if the reason for the time of waking up is connected to the amount of adrenaline that the blood as been pumped with when "harvested" so if you take it by putting fear on your targets back his blood would be loaded with "sleeping pills" so to speak! So even if Sharon is drinking the bottled stuff if it was her scary thrall gathering it it would not matter if its green blood or the nasty stuff! furthermore when using the eyes thing you can control the mind but it does not mean you got a hold of the adrenal glands so the more unconfortable the target is (like a high iq well knowledgable person can kind of resist it hormonally) the more adrenaline the blood is!

so blood dolls being dumb whores who get acostumed to their position have very little reason to release adrenaline just for a feeding as exampled by Cousin Fab fuck toys! perhaps he even sexually excites them to release endorfines so that he can get up as soon as the sun goes out!

there is also the case that the bottled stuff is tainted or decayed so by not drinking it while its warm it goes through a process of sort of pasteurisation that makes it less strong and therefore requires more time to get the power going a bit like the diference betewen pure gasoline the added shit we have nowadays and diesel!

as for your PS: you should remember VG and the thing down there are twins... if they are both females there is a 50% chance they are true twins! so their projection would look like the same and it would take someone who knew them both to spot the difference by their behavior!

Also the thing in the cave as been depleted of its strength so it might not be able to keep her appearance when being detected and that is why we see her like we do when we go into the cave!

or the water is decaying the body ... what if the NOS are aquatic vampires more comfortable in watery environments? and their appearance is just the side effect of being water vampires and swimming in sewer waters? If they got to swim in clean water would they look better?

 

[DA22]

herm i think i just got a stiffy... Astrid being nasty and not getting out of bed! stop putting those images in my head!

where do you think you are a porn site? Oh... right!



what if the reason for the time of waking up is connected to the amount of adrenaline that the blood as been pumped with when "harvested" so if you take it by putting fear on your targets back his blood would be loaded with "sleeping pills" so to speak! So even if Sharon is drinking the bottled stuff if it was her scary thrall gathering it it would not matter if its green blood or the nasty stuff! furthermore when using the eyes thing you can control the mind but it does not mean you got a hold of the adrenal glands so the more unconfortable the target is (like a high iq well knowledgable person can kind of resist it hormonally) the more adrenaline the blood is!

so blood dolls being dumb whores who get acostumed to their position have very little reason to release adrenaline just for a feeding as exampled by Cousin Fab fuck toys! perhaps he even sexually excites them to release endorfines so that he can get up as soon as the sun goes out!

there is also the case that the bottled stuff is tainted or decayed so by not drinking it while its warm it goes through a process of sort of pasteurisation that makes it less strong and therefore requires more time to get the power going a bit like the diference betewen pure gasoline the added shit we have nowadays and diesel!

as for your PS: you should remember VG and the thing down there are twins... if they are both females there is a 50% chance they are true twins! so their projection would look like the same and it would take someone who knew them both to spot the difference by their behavior!

Also the thing in the cave as been depleted of its strength so it might not be able to keep her appearance when being detected and that is why we see her like we do when we go into the cave!

or the water is decaying the body ... what if the NOS are aquatic vampires more comfortable in watery environments? and their appearance is just the side effect of being water vampires and swimming in sewer waters? If they got to swim in clean water would they look better?

Yeah all interesting questions and options, the answers will likely be important though and even if we have some ideas, devs can still spin it how they want. Too many possibilities. Which reminds me, Hell we do not even know for sure the exact kind of relationship between Eery and VG yet, whether it is a feud to the death or a rivalry where they one up each other for millennia already, but if something really threatens one of them, both sisters will be after you in perfect harmony. It may well be VG that is more the instigator and aggressive one, remember that also fits with the Inanna myths, it was her that went to her sis with a demand, not other way around.

Dallas, yeah Fabian is likely not directly related to C, but more likely to her Sire, who might have been involved with Fabian's sire as Arigon proposed a while ago and he is a descendant in a side line. Claiming kinship to MC and by that to C might be a bit presumptuous if he is indeed a knight unless true and also seeing how Cindy treats C, which might be a purely Cindy thing or reflect how C is treated as Heireia and expected to be treated, even if C might actually like a bit more informality from MC. Then again that is exactly the kind of information we miss about that vamp society to really make educated guesses, Sharon has been a perfect false witness until now it seems or at least a very incomplete one.

 

[Hildegardt]

Dallas, yeah Fabian is likely not directly related to C, but more likely to her Sire, who might have been involved with Fabian's sire as Arigon proposed a while ago and he is a descendant in a side line.

If Fabian is this game's version of a Tremere, like many people suspect, because he gets called conjurer, then he might not even have a sire or any relation to other vampires. As a medieval knight he might've been directly involved in the ritual that turned his clan into vampires, so he'd be like the first of his kind.
Maybe Fabian calling the MC his cousin has to do with blood bonds or just regular family ties through marriage.

 

[cxx]

If doing nasty things makes these vamps late to rise, it's a wonder Astrid ever wakes...

yea she'd sleep until sun goes supernova and markus would wake after last transport to new earth has left.

 

[DA22]

If Fabian is this game's version of a Tremere, like many people suspect, because he gets called conjurer, then he might not even have a sire or any relation to other vampires. As a medieval knight he might've been directly involved in the ritual that turned his clan into vampires, so he'd be like the first of his kind.
Maybe Fabian calling the MC his cousin has to do with blood bonds or just regular family ties through marriage.

Yeah you might have a point, do remember though that this game at least has another origin story and been lending from old myths and gods as well. It is unlikely we have Tremere with that kind of origin in this game, we do have vampires with powers though and no idea how those are limited and if if they are bound along VTM lines or have their own logic at least partly when comes to what people might call magic.

The cousin thing could also be a way from an older much more powerful vamp to be nice to a younger one, but if it is claiming kinship to the fledgling of someone who in power terms is vamp nobility and also has a high title that likely also bestows power ( we simply do not know exactly yet what or how much, but Cindy's behavior even if she is a bit older and used to other kinds of nobility in her life suggest so), It would be partly claiming her power as well. Not wise if not kin.

 

[UncleFredo]

That wouldn't make much sense? Sharon sleeps even later than MC, and she's much younger than Fabian too.

Fabian attributes his lethargy to misbehaviour, not quasi-elder power:

f "\" A little late in getting up, aren't you?\""
f "\" You're too young to be getting up so late.\""
f "\" Have you been getting on to nasty things?\"" # typo: on to > up to

If doing nasty things makes these vamps late to rise, it's a wonder Astrid ever wakes...

Except that there's been no "misbehavior" either from Sharon or the MC. Your point about Astrid is well made.
Suggesting that either the narrative that the older Vamps wake later is untrue, or there is something else at work.
This was the reason I mentioned it. We've been given an explanation for "waking order" that seems observationally incorrect. Why? What's really going on?

 

[JenusKudo]

So, I have to ask.... Is resisting mommy dear a good thing or bad thing? Anyone know of the consequences?

 

[BigStuffedTiger]

In the inspirational material:

1) Higher humanity vampires awakened more easily than lower humanity vampires.

2) Older vampires tended to have lower humanity scores than younger vampires, but this was only generally true, not a rule as there were plenty of exceptions.

2) Tremere had a thaumaturgic ritual that allowed them to wake up early.

Astrid clearly has a lower humanity than either Sharon or the MC which explains why she wakes up later. She's been doing a lot of naughty things as Fabian would say. Meanwhile as a newly turned vampire the MC is still more in touch with his recently lost humanity than Sharon.

Fabian himself may know a thaumaturgic ritual, or he may simply have an exceptionally high humanity or equivalent path score. Either would explain his waking up earlier than Sharon and the MC, but the latter would imply both significant effort on his part and greater knowledge on how to not just maintain but also potentially increase his humanity/path through the centuries. It's possible Fabian is seeking Golconda or whatever the equivalent state of mystical enlightenment is in this game.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

So, I have to ask.... Is resisting mommy dear a good thing or bad thing? Anyone know of the consequences?

Nobody knows yet. I personally think it's a bad thing and shouldn't be done. Others here think it's a good thing and assume the point you get for doing so is a positive point. (Also, don't believe anyone who claims they know if it's good or bad, unless LikesBlondes themselves says so. It's all just speculation and opinion right now.) Just choose based on whatever you think and then see where things go in the future.

 

[Meushi]

Fabian himself may know a thaumaturgic ritual, or he may simply have an exceptionally high humanity or equivalent path score. Either would explain his waking up earlier than Sharon and the MC

That wouldn't explain why Fabian expects the MC to wake earlier, he's fully aware the newbie doesn't know any magic tricks.

It's clearly an inconsistency with regards to the information available in game. Maybe the devs made a boo-boo. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Arigon]

BigStuffedTiger said:
Fabian himself may know a thaumaturgic ritual, or he may simply have an exceptionally high humanity or equivalent path score. Either would explain his waking up earlier than Sharon and the MC

That wouldn't explain why Fabian expects the MC to wake earlier, he's fully aware the newbie doesn't know any magic tricks.

It's clearly an inconsistency with regards to the information available in game. Maybe the devs made a boo-boo. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Site has conspired to keep me out!
LOL
No. Not an error. MC is expected to rise earlier because they have not had time to lose humanity.
Dirty-Fabian remark
NOT SEX
Dirty
Eating other vampire souls/blood costs humanity. Also potentially makes your blood more potent if it is a more powerful generation, which would not be the case for the MC.
I already answered ALL this crap earlier... GEEZE
Sorry to disappoint.

MC has ancient blood in his veins. He is artificially much more powerful than the normal vampire sired in these nights.
Sharon probably is more potent than we know. She rises too late for such a young vampire.
Fabian certainly has a ritual, and yes he is older than some dirt and very powerful.
Lots of fun and crazy theories on here.
Hate to burst bubbles with some of this, but I finally got on, otherwise I would have done this sooner.
Ok peace guys I have to play Sorcerer and do some other stuff, back soon.

 

[cxx]

So, I have to ask.... Is resisting mommy dear a good thing or bad thing? Anyone know of the consequences?

dev knows but won't reveal cards yet.

 

[Dom_D]

Got a few requests for an in Game Walkthrough Mod for this one. Enjoy!

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