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Im having trouble with the do over function. I make the changes and the name changes in the dialog, but the scene itself does not change.

Ive have been starting with the mind blowers and selecting a scene. Then I hit to do over at the bottom of the page. Select the seen and change the selectable settings. When I plug in the name that carries through the mind blower scene but nothing else. I'm I doing something wrong or do only some scenes work with that?
Mind Blowers are (supposed) to be self contained, so making choices (or using the Do Over Menu) inside them, should only effect that Mind Blower while it is playing. This is to prevent conflicting data traveling back into the game.

My suggestion is to load an existing game or start a new game, jump to the last day via Day Selection (so that all options will be open), make any changes you want via Do Over, and then launch Mind Blower scenes. Otherwise, if you're Playing Mind Blowers from the main menu any choices may not (shouldn't by design) stick when exiting the replay.
 

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vamos lá cara, continue a história, faça sua própria grande obra-prima, use o material original e a série para fazer um dos maiores e melhores hgames, você consegue, eu acredito em você, não deixe isso acabar na versão 4.0, abra um patreon se necessário, seu projeto é excelente
 

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The end is open, isn't it? Because the truth is that I hope it continues a little longer since the rick joined and I would like Mr. pregnancy with the family or something similar.
 
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A game where the MC rapes his twin, mom, sister, crush, blackmailer and pretty much every woman in his life. I guess only the Jessica and Tricia scenes would count as "true" rape, but I'm surprised this isn't heavily featured on more rape game recommendation lists
 

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Does it turn out to be a complete finale? (I'm on day 21 now, so I don't know what the plot will lead to)
I'm just wondering if this is final or if there will be any more additions to the plot? :unsure:
(I'm not asking about bugfixes, because I understand that it's going to take an unknown amount of time to make up everything.)
 

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come on man, continue the story, make your own great masterpiece, use the original material and the series to make one of the biggest and best hgames, you can do it, I believe in you, don't let it end in version 4.0, open a patreon if necessary, your project is excellent
Continuing just isn't in the cards. The game has had a pretty long run though. It is more accurately closer to version 40 than 4, as Ferdafs chose a strange way to do his version numbers. As I've said many times, without Ferdafs, this game won't continue, which is why I made a conclusion for it. Here is a longer post on the subject. I also talk about it in the Future Plans FAQ as well.


A game where the MC rapes his twin, mom, sister, crush, blackmailer and pretty much every woman in his life. I guess only the Jessica and Tricia scenes would count as "true" rape, but I'm surprised this isn't heavily featured on more rape game recommendation lists
My guess is that because they don't really impact the story, there aren't that many, and they can easily be opted out of. But also, who knows why anything ends up on anyones lists.


Does it turn out to be a complete finale?
The conclusion closes out the main plot for the main cast. It doesn't include everyone, as too many storylines are woefully incomplete. Trying to fit every character in would be akin to continuing the game.
 

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Sad to see it end, happy to get a finale, but disappointed we didn't get pregnant sex scenes with Beth, Summer, Tricia, Morticia, Unity, And Jessica. I would LOVE if those could be added as an update or something.

BTW, I'm a BIG fan, been here since 2022, and loved this game. Great work from both Night Mirror and Ferdafs!
 
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This entire game seems to be a very special case in this site, right? I am not sure that I understand it... This Ferdaf or something guy made a game in another engine, then Night Mirror got his permission to port the game to Renpy. Then Ferdaf slowed down the production and Night Mirror started adding his own content to the game? Because he talks like he added things and cut stuff and so. So in a way, Night Mirror made the game his own?

Then he also has a life so he has to quit but he doesn't want to let the game unfinished because he feels responsible (I guess?) so he makes an ending for the game, completely ignoring whatever plans or ideas Ferdaf may have had for it?

It sounds very weird, can someone explain to me? This is a very interesting situation, I want to learn from it.
 

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This entire game seems to be a very special case in this site, right? I am not sure that I understand it... This Ferdaf or something guy made a game in another engine, then Night Mirror got his permission to port the game to Renpy. Then Ferdaf slowed down the production and Night Mirror started adding his own content to the game? Because he talks like he added things and cut stuff and so. So in a way, Night Mirror made the game his own?

Then he also has a life so he has to quit but he doesn't want to let the game unfinished because he feels responsible (I guess?) so he makes an ending for the game, completely ignoring whatever plans or ideas Ferdaf may have had for it?

It sounds very weird, can someone explain to me? This is a very interesting situation, I want to learn from it.
It's not really a special case, it's just unusually popular. It's a renpy, linear remake of a kinda buggy and grindy sandbox that didn't really fit the game design. These kinds of remakes aren't completely uncommon, and is more like porting the game.

While the demand for these ports themselves kinda lend to people seeing them as better, they're at best really mods. Night Mirror went above and beyond his though, but it's still essentially a remix of the original game (IMO a much better one overall) with perks.

I think he wanted to see it to the end because a lot of people love his work, too many projects get abandoned here, and we all wanted to see the game have some kind of closure, especially since it's less and less likely we'll get it from Ferdaf anytime soon. The ending is mostly tying loose ends on his end by cleaning up his remake of the game rather than just leaving it alone and walking off with a salute.

I think your confusion mostly comes from the fact that people generally consider this the main version of the game now, poor Ferdaf. There are some people who don't even know it's a remake/port of someone else's game lol, but that's not Night Mirror's fault or problem and Ferdaf kinda brought it on himself a bit with his typical-pron-dev-ness.
 

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This entire game seems to be a very special case in this site, right? I am not sure that I understand it... This Ferdaf or something guy made a game in another engine, then Night Mirror got his permission to port the game to Renpy. Then Ferdaf slowed down the production and Night Mirror started adding his own content to the game? Because he talks like he added things and cut stuff and so. So in a way, Night Mirror made the game his own?

Then he also has a life so he has to quit but he doesn't want to let the game unfinished because he feels responsible (I guess?) so he makes an ending for the game, completely ignoring whatever plans or ideas Ferdaf may have had for it?

It sounds very weird, can someone explain to me? This is a very interesting situation, I want to learn from it.
It's not really that complicated. Ferdafs put together the original game, in the Unity game engine. The interface to play that game isn't the best, and it has several bugs and issues (and a single save slot, and buggy saves, and annoying wandering bits, and no family wording, and incomplete replays, and... You get the idea)

Hanging out in the Unity thread (Link in my signature), I saw many players lamented the poor unity implementation, myself included. Unity can be a great engine, but the game design was pushing players away from what was (imo) a great game, just a (big) hassle to play.

So, I thought hey, I should try porting over my favorite scenes into renpy, so I could "enjoy" them easier. I never intended to do the whole game, nor to share it. But I found I enjoyed the porting process, so I kept going.

It wasnt one to one. I fixed things along the way, from mistakes in art, to typos, to plot holes. I added extra stuff i wanted (I was making it for me). And I improved systems to make it easier to use (mostly to see if I could).

Again, I was just doing it because it was fun and figured one day it wouldn't be and I'd abandon it like every other game I've ever tried to make. But that didn't happen.

Until one day, I'd remade the whole thing, and figured, fuck it why not share it, I doubt anyone is going to care, or that f95 will even accept it. But it was accepted and people liked it, so I kept doing it.

I never asked for permission, nor did Ferdafs ask me to make the port. In truth, we've never talked about it. I've tried to make it as clear as possible that Ferdafs made the original, and this is a mod/remake of it in a different engine, with some changes and upgrades. Others have done it for other games, I'm not the first, I won't be the last.

For a while things went fine. Ferdafs would put out a new update and I'd port that content into the renpy game. That was the goal, make the art and story more accessible to players (in terms of gameplay).

Both versions of the game are on this site, so if people are getting it here, they aren't paying. In fact I actively encourage people to support Ferdafs, since, as is obvious now, without him, the game won't go on.

When people offered me money, I asked they sent it to Ferdafs instead. My hope was that this game would help boost sub numbers for him. Let this project advertise his work to players turned off by the original.

Then, in 2023 the updates from Ferdafs stopped. Not just game updates, but pateron posts. No reason why, no info given. He just went radio silent. After 6 months (the longest gap in updates) I had to decide what to do.

Do I abandon the game and hope he one day returns? Or give it an ending, so that it won't linger in limbo forever.

The community for this game has been great, so, instead of leaving the game to rot, I tried to give it a wrap up (how well that went is up for debate, but it's the best I could manage, making a game was never what I intended here and the ending really stretched what I could do).

So what if Ferdafs does return? Awesome! The game is made to accept new scenes, I can just work them into past days and players get more content!

What if Ferdafs suddenly gives us a whole different ending?! Very unlikely, considering how many plots are incomplete, but, sure no problem that's just a branch point and becomes ending #3.

And what if Ferdafs never returns? Well, I put an ending on it, so at least this game won't be totally incomplete.

The thing so many people get hung up on is not understanding why I'm not continuing on my own, why not devote myself to making new content for this project forever?!?! And the answer isn't that complicated. I'm making a port of the original game. If there is no more original game, there is nothing to port, there is nothing for me to do. This project was never meant to be standalone.

Players want me to be a full time dev, a full time artist, a full time writer. And I'm not. I'm just a coder using some else's assets to make a very big mod.
 
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It's not really that complicated. Ferdafs put together the original game, in the Unity game engine. The interface to play that game isn't the best, and it has several bugs and issues (and a single save slot, and buggy saves, and annoying wandering bits, and no family wording, and incomplete replays, and... You get the idea)

Hanging out in the Unity thread (Link in my signature), I saw many players lamented the poor unity implementation, myself included. Unity can be a great engine, but the game design was pushing players away from what was (imo) a great game, just a (big) hassle to play.

So, I thought hey, I should try porting over my favorite scenes into renpy, so I could "enjoy" them easier. I never intended to do the whole game, nor to share it. But I found I enjoyed the porting process, so I kept going.

It wasnt one to one. I fixed things along the way, from mistakes in art, to typos, to plot holes. I added extra stuff i wanted (I was making it for me). And I improved systems to make it easier to use (mostly to see if I could).

Again, I was just doing it because it was fun and figured one day it wouldn't be and I'd abandon it like every other game I've ever tried to make. But that didn't happen.

Until one day, I'd remade the whole thing, and figured, fuck it why not share it, I doubt anyone is going to care, or that f95 will even accept it. But it was accepted and people liked it, so I kept doing it.

I never asked for permission, nor did Ferdafs ask me to make the port. In truth, we've never talked about it. I've tried to make it as clear as possible that Ferdafs made the original, and this is a mod/remake of it in a different engine, with some changes and upgrades. Others have done it for other games, I'm not the first, I won't be the last.

For a while things went fine. Ferdafs would put out a new update and I'd port that content into the renpy game. That was the goal, make the art and story more accessible to players (in terms of gameplay).

Both versions of the game are on this site, so if people are getting it here, they aren't paying. In fact I actively encourage people to support Ferdafs, since, as is obvious now, without him, the game won't go on.

When people offered me money, I asked they sent it to Ferdafs instead. My hope was that this game would help boost sub numbers for him. Let this project advertise his work to players turned off by the original.

Then, in 2023 the updates from Ferdafs stopped. Not just game updates, but pateron posts. No reason why, no info given. He just went radio silent. After 6 months (the longest gap in updates) I had to decide what to do.

Do I abandon the game and hope he one day returns? Or give it an ending, so that it won't linger in limbo forever.

The community for this game has been great, so, instead of leaving the game to rot, I tried to give it a wrap up (how well that went is up for debate, but it's the best I could manage, making a game was never what I intended here and the ending really stretched what I could do).

So what if Ferdafs does return? Awesome! The game is made to accept new scenes, I can just work them into past days and players get more content!

What if Ferdafs suddenly gives us a whole different ending?! Very unlikely, considering how many plots are incomplete, but, sure no problem that's just a branch point and becomes ending #3.

And what if Ferdafs never returns? Well, I put an ending on it, so at least this game won't be totally incomplete.

The thing so many people get hung up on is not understanding why I'm not continuing on my own, why not devote myself to making new content for this project forever?!?! And the answer isn't that complicated. I'm making a port of the original game. If there is no more original game, there is nothing to port, there is nothing for me to do. This project was never meant to be standalone.

Players want me to be a full time dev, a full time artist, a full time writer. And I'm not. I'm just a coder using some else's assets to make a very big mod.
You did what you could with what you had and that is all anyone can ask of you. I've been reading your updates for a long time now. It was obvious that the whole thing became a serious uphill battle for you a while back, but you went beyond the call of duty for all of us and many of us appreciate it.

One thought that has always been on the back of my mind is that I wonder if the updates stopped because this mod became more popular than the original game and Ferdafs didn't like that? Or people were giving his version too much of a hard time because of this version to the point where he decided to just give up? Just theory crafting about his disappearance. It could be that it has just been left idle for a completely different reason.
 
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One thought that has always been on the back of my mind is that I wonder if the updates stopped because this mod became more popular than the original game and Ferdafs didn't like that? Or people were giving his version too much of a hard time because of this version to the point where he decided to just give up?
I've had that thought a lot more then once... I hope it isn't the case. Kinda the opposite of what I was hoping for, that more people would get to enjoy the game. That's (one of many) reasons I didn't take money, so as to not syphon away support either.
 
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It's not really that complicated. Ferdafs put together the original game, in the Unity game engine. The interface to play that game isn't the best, and it has several bugs and issues (and a single save slot, and buggy saves, and annoying wandering bits, and no family wording, and incomplete replays, and... You get the idea)

Hanging out in the Unity thread (Link in my signature), I saw many players lamented the poor unity implementation, myself included. Unity can be a great engine, but the game design was pushing players away from what was (imo) a great game, just a (big) hassle to play.

So, I thought hey, I should try porting over my favorite scenes into renpy, so I could "enjoy" them easier. I never intended to do the whole game, nor to share it. But I found I enjoyed the porting process, so I kept going.

It wasnt one to one. I fixed things along the way, from mistakes in art, to typos, to plot holes. I added extra stuff i wanted (I was making it for me). And I improved systems to make it easier to use (mostly to see if I could).

Again, I was just doing it because it was fun and figured one day it wouldn't be and I'd abandon it like every other game I've ever tried to make. But that didn't happen.

Until one day, I'd remade the whole thing, and figured, fuck it why not share it, I doubt anyone is going to care, or that f95 will even accept it. But it was accepted and people liked it, so I kept doing it.

I never asked for permission, nor did Ferdafs ask me to make the port. In truth, we've never talked about it. I've tried to make it as clear as possible that Ferdafs made the original, and this is a mod/remake of it in a different engine, with some changes and upgrades. Others have done it for other games, I'm not the first, I won't be the last.

For a while things went fine. Ferdafs would put out a new update and I'd port that content into the renpy game. That was the goal, make the art and story more accessible to players (in terms of gameplay).

Both versions of the game are on this site, so if people are getting it here, they aren't paying. In fact I actively encourage people to support Ferdafs, since, as is obvious now, without him, the game won't go on.

When people offered me money, I asked they sent it to Ferdafs instead. My hope was that this game would help boost sub numbers for him. Let this project advertise his work to players turned off by the original.

Then, in 2023 the updates from Ferdafs stopped. Not just game updates, but pateron posts. No reason why, no info given. He just went radio silent. After 6 months (the longest gap in updates) I had to decide what to do.

Do I abandon the game and hope he one day returns? Or give it an ending, so that it won't linger in limbo forever.

The community for this game has been great, so, instead of leaving the game to rot, I tried to give it a wrap up (how well that went is up for debate, but it's the best I could manage, making a game was never what I intended here and the ending really stretched what I could do).

So what if Ferdafs does return? Awesome! The game is made to accept new scenes, I can just work them into past days and players get more content!

What if Ferdafs suddenly gives us a whole different ending?! Very unlikely, considering how many plots are incomplete, but, sure no problem that's just a branch point and becomes ending #3.

And what if Ferdafs never returns? Well, I put an ending on it, so at least this game won't be totally incomplete.

The thing so many people get hung up on is not understanding why I'm not continuing on my own, why not devote myself to making new content for this project forever?!?! And the answer isn't that complicated. I'm making a port of the original game. If there is no more original game, there is nothing to port, there is nothing for me to do. This project was never meant to be standalone.

Players want me to be a full time dev, a full time artist, a full time writer. And I'm not. I'm just a coder using some else's assets to make a very big mod.
If ferdafs does return, will you retcon some of the ending? Space Beth content and Fucking Grandma rick was something I think we've all been looking forward to.
 

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If ferdafs does return, will you retcon some of the ending? Space Beth content and Fucking Grandma rick was something I think we've all been looking forward to.
Only if I have to change something, due to conflicting content Ferdafs.
 

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It's not really that complicated. Ferdafs put together the original game, in the Unity game engine. The interface to play that game isn't the best, and it has several bugs and issues (and a single save slot, and buggy saves, and annoying wandering bits, and no family wording, and incomplete replays, and... You get the idea)

Hanging out in the Unity thread (Link in my signature), I saw many players lamented the poor unity implementation, myself included. Unity can be a great engine, but the game design was pushing players away from what was (imo) a great game, just a (big) hassle to play.

So, I thought hey, I should try porting over my favorite scenes into renpy, so I could "enjoy" them easier. I never intended to do the whole game, nor to share it. But I found I enjoyed the porting process, so I kept going.

It wasnt one to one. I fixed things along the way, from mistakes in art, to typos, to plot holes. I added extra stuff i wanted (I was making it for me). And I improved systems to make it easier to use (mostly to see if I could).

Again, I was just doing it because it was fun and figured one day it wouldn't be and I'd abandon it like every other game I've ever tried to make. But that didn't happen.

Until one day, I'd remade the whole thing, and figured, fuck it why not share it, I doubt anyone is going to care, or that f95 will even accept it. But it was accepted and people liked it, so I kept doing it.

I never asked for permission, nor did Ferdafs ask me to make the port. In truth, we've never talked about it. I've tried to make it as clear as possible that Ferdafs made the original, and this is a mod/remake of it in a different engine, with some changes and upgrades. Others have done it for other games, I'm not the first, I won't be the last.

For a while things went fine. Ferdafs would put out a new update and I'd port that content into the renpy game. That was the goal, make the art and story more accessible to players (in terms of gameplay).

Both versions of the game are on this site, so if people are getting it here, they aren't paying. In fact I actively encourage people to support Ferdafs, since, as is obvious now, without him, the game won't go on.

When people offered me money, I asked they sent it to Ferdafs instead. My hope was that this game would help boost sub numbers for him. Let this project advertise his work to players turned off by the original.

Then, in 2023 the updates from Ferdafs stopped. Not just game updates, but pateron posts. No reason why, no info given. He just went radio silent. After 6 months (the longest gap in updates) I had to decide what to do.

Do I abandon the game and hope he one day returns? Or give it an ending, so that it won't linger in limbo forever.

The community for this game has been great, so, instead of leaving the game to rot, I tried to give it a wrap up (how well that went is up for debate, but it's the best I could manage, making a game was never what I intended here and the ending really stretched what I could do).

So what if Ferdafs does return? Awesome! The game is made to accept new scenes, I can just work them into past days and players get more content!

What if Ferdafs suddenly gives us a whole different ending?! Very unlikely, considering how many plots are incomplete, but, sure no problem that's just a branch point and becomes ending #3.

And what if Ferdafs never returns? Well, I put an ending on it, so at least this game won't be totally incomplete.

The thing so many people get hung up on is not understanding why I'm not continuing on my own, why not devote myself to making new content for this project forever?!?! And the answer isn't that complicated. I'm making a port of the original game. If there is no more original game, there is nothing to port, there is nothing for me to do. This project was never meant to be standalone.

Players want me to be a full time dev, a full time artist, a full time writer. And I'm not. I'm just a coder using some else's assets to make a very big mod.
It's interesting because, in isolation, what you did was right. You would have done it anyway so why not sharing? I understand why people would love you and support your efforts.

But despite those efforts you did to drive people to support Ferdaf, that's not what I have seen.People is very critical to Ferdaf and they use your work to prove that criticism right. Maybe I am wrong, I didn't look at things too deeply, but it seems to me like your shadow kind of eclipsed Ferdaf's efforts. You were getting the hugs despite he making most of the work (seriously, no offense, I am a fan too, your port is incredible).

So the fact that Ferdaf never contacted you seems like a statement in itself. Even if he talked and said that he thought everything is alright, at this point I wouldn't believe it I think.

Maybe he got tired of working in your shadow, I don't know. It's just a hypothesis. Usually it's not just one thing. The guy probably had other problems or situations or he just got tired of working in the project but I don't think this situation helped. And it's not entirely your fault, and THIS is IMPORTANT. You could have contacted, asked for permission or just have a kind word about it with him but that's not the real problem I think since you were very clear in the fact that this is a mod and you always gave credit to Ferdaf. The main problem wouldn't have been you, it would have been the community.

As I already said, people hating on his work while supporting yours, like they are in your team and not his. That hurts. That unintended division.

Anyway. Just theories, as I also said, I find the situation very interesting. In other context you two may have made a decent team.

Thanks a lot for answering, you are too kind.
 

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It's not really a special case, it's just unusually popular. It's a renpy, linear remake of a kinda buggy and grindy sandbox that didn't really fit the game design. These kinds of remakes aren't completely uncommon, and is more like porting the game.

While the demand for these ports themselves kinda lend to people seeing them as better, they're at best really mods. Night Mirror went above and beyond his though, but it's still essentially a remix of the original game (IMO a much better one overall) with perks.

I think he wanted to see it to the end because a lot of people love his work, too many projects get abandoned here, and we all wanted to see the game have some kind of closure, especially since it's less and less likely we'll get it from Ferdaf anytime soon. The ending is mostly tying loose ends on his end by cleaning up his remake of the game rather than just leaving it alone and walking off with a salute.

I think your confusion mostly comes from the fact that people generally consider this the main version of the game now, poor Ferdaf. There are some people who don't even know it's a remake/port of someone else's game lol, but that's not Night Mirror's fault or problem and Ferdaf kinda brought it on himself a bit with his typical-pron-dev-ness.
Yeah, I get that there are other mods that end up being more popular than the original game. But I had never seen it to this degree. Each of them working on their own, continuing the game however they want without talking to the other. That's... uncommon, in my experience, with such big following.
 
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