Ren'Py Rogue-like: Evolution [v1.64d] [Oni]

[Pr0man]

>the above<

True dat - Variety is the spice of life after all: Be it in female crumpet to enjoy, be it in opinion, be it in shitposting.
While I can personally disagree with an opinion voiced here, I can still enjoy some cringeworthy meme material and find valid points in a diverging opinion. If we all had the same attitude and kinks, life would be pretty stale after all.
I wouldn't go so far to say there is no meaning behind people voicing what they do in any of those threads actually: I'd reckon it's multi-faceted; Either rooted out of a general frustration, out of a divergence from what they'd hope it would turn out it be, unhappiness with development cycles or simply for something as petty as annoying someone else. As a rule of thumb, there is always reason in actions, even if we can't easily spot it or it is so miniscule that it's not worth mentioning in the first place.

Though that's just my explaination for how things turn out to go within those kinds of threads, when there's barely any update happening for whatever reason, people have less incentive to voice questions - as they've all been answered multiple times already - and thus frustration and questioning of the validity in the dev's behaviour start to crop up. Been there, done that. Just look at old pages on the Summertime Saga thread where people go nuts shortly (up to 1 week) before an update comes out and you hear them just vent it in there. Done it myself actually.

With that though, I'll however refrain from going on about something less to do with the actual game and would also ask that the thread should probably steer back towards the actual game, questions and the likes, away from philosophy and argumentation on a personal level, last thing I want to see is this thread getting locked or worse yet, nuked.

Yeah.. He would start thinking about quitting. Great plan, dude! But you can always unsubscribe from his patreon. No wait. You would have to be subscribed first. Must be hard to enjoy pirated games. Let's come up with a better plan to ruin an honest man's livelihood.

Oh boy, I'm not sure where this notion stems from: for a whole bunch of people, game development is not just a passion, but also a job, either part time or full time - especially if you are on a subscription site like Patreon and ask for monetary compensation - and I reckon Oni isn't much different here: Patreon money from game development can range from a small bit of extra change to a sizeable income to actually rely upon and life off of. If the numbers of patreons were to reduce for whatever reason (not completely disappear, mind you), the first instinct would be to see where the issues lie, how to improve the situation and keep at it, to not lose valuable income to actually see something that is more akin to a pet project come to life (He probably needs to eat and live somewhere after all) not to go with a full scorched earth approach and willingly nuke the income out of spite towards a part of the community. Oni probably has more leeway in that matter given that he is also an Artist that does commision work and thus has multiple sources of income, but I sure as hell wouldn't just drop it because of some dwindling numbers.

 

[quiboune]

For anyone that bothered to read, did anyone say anything useful and game related in the last few posts?

 

[goatlance49]

Bug Report:
Start of the game, avoid going to class to meet with Kitty/Frost
Bang Slut Rogue in Public so that you're caught by Xavier
Chi Plan
Ask Xavier to be lenient on Kitty&Frost

Kitty and Frost are now in rotation, you can interact with them but you've never met them
Because you never met them, you aren't able to access their rooms
Also, X23 doesn't come back because you technically still haven't met Kitty.

 

[Deadlypremonition]

I just asked you, “in the wall of text” why you write the same thing for several years, every time you are surprised that the author makes the release for exactly 4 months and regularly write about the author’s incredible income of 1 dollar per month.
I wrote 1 time, you wrote several times. But you did not answer the questions.
I can answer yours. I do not want to spend my time on a pirated site, reading posts that are not related to the game and will not affect the work of author. My post is only half dedicated to you. In this topic there are several users who raised the same topic as you (about payments to the author). Accordingly, if you add up your posts and posts similar to yours, a decent number of posts will be typed. And their number will far exceed my "wall of text"
In addition, you yourself wrote that you are annoyed by the discussion of the work of archivers and other identical questions, and that is why I turned to you.
I am for the topic to be discussed only the game. And not who pays how much, how the computer works and other nonsense not related to the game. All that does not concern the game is spam, including your posts about 1 dollar, and my posts on this subject.
I made memes instead of a "wall of text" (as in this case) and, again, in response to several meaningless posts. (To express an opinion, you can write text in a post, or you can make a meme, where part of the text will replace the image)
Also, as I said earlier, I can remove all my memes from this topic and not do them in the future. And I already deleted some of the memes and messages (at least 40 of my posts) in order to remove spam.
And if I need to delete all my posts, then this will be rightly only if such posts are deleted others.

and now specially for you, a summary of the essence:
Why in the topic, to write the same thing not related to the game and aimed at those who are not in this topic? When this is written several times sometimes by the same user, for example, I have a desire to ask him once about the logic of such posts.

Yet again, TLDR
Just from the first couple of rows I can tell you that you fail again: i wrote on monetization TWO times, both in a span of 2-3 months. Both times discussion was not atarted by me, I added my point of view/opi ion on the matter. But I guess "forum" is not a place to post opinions, right?

 

[vualtdragon]

omg did all the shit talker jump from waifu academy to this thread. what does it matter. by the end of the day does it hurt you. NO IT DOES NOT. at this point i wont be surprise to see this tread get lock to.

 

[Deleted member 1277698]

Yeah.. He would start thinking about quitting. Great plan, dude! But you can always unsubscribe from his patreon. No wait. You would have to be subscribed first. Must be hard to enjoy pirated games. Let's come up with a better plan to ruin an honest man's livelihood.

You are joking? Who will quit a 4 k salary of doing nothing in particaly. The lads who share the game here are great persons its not like Oni loses anything from pirasy. See the difrens, somethimes you must take actions to make an autor wake up.

 

[hcb69]

You are joking? Who will quit a 4 k salary of doing nothing in particaly. The lads who share the game here are great persons its not like Oni loses anything from pirasy. See the difrens, somethimes you must take actions to make an autor wake up.

He doesn't do nothing. He has worked on the same game for 5 years. I think if his patrons gave up he would be relieved so he can find something else to do. My point wasn't that Oni loses something. My point was that beggars can't choose.

For anyone that bothered to read, did anyone say anything useful and game related in the last few posts?

summarized for you "oni does nothing" "no u"

 

[naoligopraisso]

"if Oni, stay with less patreon's he'll work faster"
There is no sense in to such a statement, if updates take 4 months to half a year with this number "x" from patreon's, with fewer participants it would probably take 1 year for each update.
I think the problem in question comes from Oni's moral part and the optimization of time spent.
As I said, 4 months of waiting for an update is ridiculous, especially for a game as good as this one.
Maybe the job is too tiresome, and if that's the case, maybe the best thing Oni could do would be to finish Jean's content right away and end the game to start another project from scratch or just do something else.

 

[Deleted member 1277698]

This is a sign

It's happening

 

[Deadlypremonition]

This is all of course true. You can ask 2 times and 10.... But the main question remains.
If you have been in this topic for about 3 years, you read that the author and most people who pay do not attend this topic and do not read such messages. How does the thought of 1 dollar per month affect anyone? With the same success, you can write an “opinion” on the fence and hope that someday Oni will pass by and read and run to work for nothing.
On the other hand, your posts still have a positive side. If each year is repeated one and the same, then this indicates that the opinion has not changed for the year.
In general, I do not mind your posts and anyone else's. But in some situations, I do not understand the logic. Opinion should be addressed to those who really influence the process.
You express your opinion in a place where the addressee will never see it...

Ok, i can explain my point of view. Ofcourse, it is just my personal opinion, but when i buy a AAA game for 60$,it means i am paying for years of development on story, animations, modeling, scripting, ost etc etc. Hundreds of ppl involved for lots of time.
Then we have RogueLike. I am not saying its a bad game (obviously, since we are all still here), but one has to agree, it is as simple as abc. The positive side of this game is art, not the script or story. In the end it is a pretty basic flash game like one of those dating sims, just with a good artist behind the wheel.
Regarding payments. If i support something, i dont think it is right to do so ONLY when i benefit from it (like subbing only during months of updates). Obviously i want to show the product creator that his product is valued. Therefore, if there is (and im sure that there muat be) a patreon, who subbed to him since the beginning, then even by paying 1$ he already spent 60 in total. Price of AAA title. Considering the time it takes Oni to update, and lack of communication from him, it seems wrong in my eyes, thats all.
Considering this is a forum, and i see people expressing similar opinions, i dont see anything wrong with adding mine alongside to the conversation.
And most importantly, if we stop messaging here the thread will slowly become too boring, cant let that happen xD

 

[TheAmazingRolandder]

This is a sign

It's happening

Taking bets on this getting developed enough that it starts drawing on Image and DC characters before Oni finishes Jean

 

[naoligopraisso]

This is a sign

It's happening

wow, this is scary.

 

[hcb69]

wow, this is scary.

Why is it scary?

 

[daniel_horns]

This is a sign

It's happening

Is this a bad copy of the game? I check the patreon of this guy and is almost exactly like Oni's
I want to play a better rogue-like but i don't know about this

 

[VenomusPL]

Cool, but the spinoff game won't have that fappable Oni art.
Seems like a miss

 

[Deleted member 1107886]

Are brotherhood games related to the modders from this game's modded version? Because i remember they offered Oni help with the coding, even for free IIRC, but he refused because he wanted to keep rouge-like his solo project...

Which is going on for some time now and doesn't seem to be advancing at the rate you'd expect given the money he makes off his Patreon...

 

[Bigmain]

Are brotherhood games related to the modders from this game's modded version? Because i remember they offered Oni help with the coding, even for free IIRC, but he refused because he wanted to keep rouge-like his solo project...

Which is going on for some time now and doesn't seem to be advancing at the rate you'd expect given the money he makes off his Patreon...

Yes Brotherhood like is made by the modders it is made with permision from Oni

 

[daniel_horns]

The only thing i don't understand about the development of this game is why the fuck oni doesn't hire people for the coding?
there is an explanation or something that i missed or oni is just stubborn about the game?

 

[Evil Earthworm Jim]

The only thing i don't understand about the development of this game is why the fuck oni doesn't hire people for the coding?
there is an explanation or something that i missed or oni is just stubborn about the game?

It was mentioned above I think that he wanted to keep it in house, a solo project.

 

[CommanderShepard]

Still it takes up some ridiculous time. I really don't bothered by his income and everything, is not like he's forcing players into payers. I admit I'm absolutely code illiterate person and know nothing from that department aside from YandareDev memes. But in 5 years surely he should having some serious knowledge in coding.

I'm probably just rambling some nonsene. But what's bothering me I this is that he still works on one project and he says that Jean art is not even done, something artist with ages of experience should have ready in a few days or so.
Still wishing for oni to start Mass effect trainer based on this.
Fuck I'm just doesn't making sense rn probably just gonna shut up until update