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Semondemon

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threesome actions are bugged, you cant ask anthing to the second girl.
hopefully fixed next patch
Dude of course they are; I'm surprised he went to K for 1.5. He's probably not gonna put anymore bug fixes out so you'll have to wait for 1.6. Honestly dunno why anyone bothers with 1.5 I know Oni had medical & family issues but he shoulda just delayed Psylocke until she was completely done. Since unlike previously he'd add a few features he added nothing besides a fake out then her basic shit. Woo.
 
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sleepingkirby

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To a degree, I agree with you. There is not much agency at all when it comes to story events in TNH. But I didn't have major problems with how they tie progression system and relationship system with storyline.
I just finished reading your review and, I think you brought up a good point.
So I would say design language was not intuitive for me, and would be clearer without icons suggesting that I'm making some crucial decision here (rejecting a girl or choosing a path for myself). Or just spell the effects like in normal choices (for example, "you encouraged Laura protectives" similar to "you gained 6 trust").

Girls can get levels, seen a notification popping up, but blink, and it is gone. Haven't found any place to check what level they are currently, nor what exactly changes with levels.

There seem to be level 5 cap for yourself, you can reach it early, and there is no indication that you can progress any further (like when you reach max trust or love), in fact you seem to still be getting XP, just bar stops moving, but It's really hard to say if it completely stops or is just progressing more slowly.

However, and I know it was already mentioned few times before, verbally and explicitly asking EVERY TIME you make any, even smallest, action during sex scenes is absolutely ridiculous and just kills the flow or excitement or spirit of play.
If the game was more communicative about how far you can get in things, like relationships, sex, etc. I would have less a problem with tying relationship progress with story progress. A lot of the limits, etc. are not intuitive for me. Like, I'm already max love, I'm already dating the person, I've already had my tongue their ass, but sex? No, that's a step too far. Gotta wait until chapter 3 (not literally. I can't remember which chapter)

I do agree with you in your review in that there are certain aspects of it that fills what RLE lacks. But it does feel unfocused. The GUI being unintuitive, the story choices giving only an illusion of choice. I'm wondering if the reverse relation should have been better. Rather than requiring chapter 3 to increase relationship, requiring a certain relationship level before being able to continue the storyline. Like "You've become Rogue's boyfriend. That means you can do chapter 2 AND 3". It's *kind of* that way in RLE in that you have to get to a certain level before you can get a key to their room or get Xavier off your back for that girl or until they tell you their backstory.

So, as a programmer, I occasionally get approached by people going "I have this idea. It's this and this and this. Wanna get in on it?" And, more often than not, I'd have to tell them 1 of a few things (or some combination thereof):
1) It already exists.
2) The problem your idea is suppose to solve, doesn't really solve the problem.
3) The problem isn't really what you think it is.
4) This is an unethical solution.
5) It's physically not possible.

I feel like The Null Hypothesis is what happens when no one tells the creator that this idea is number 1, 2 and 3. And, as much as I hate to say it, solutions that look for a problem, if it doesn't learn to pivot (correctly) or have a HUGE backing (i.e. too big to fail), often slowly get bloated and fail. A lot of learning to become a programmer isn't just learning to write code, but to understand and find the essence abstract human concepts. When you don't have that understanding of the concept you're trying to bring to code, you are often left with really bad code trying to make up for worse ideas until everything just grinds to a halt because it's too much trouble/hassle to fix/expand/work with. Like, fingers crossed, my best wishes to TNH team and I hope I'm wrong or they're the rare exception, but yeah. And, contrary to popular opinion, even if you throw a bunch of money at a problem, if it doesn't have the right people/skill/solution that can get the money, the problem will not get solved.

Which brings me back to why I'm so lenient on Oni's code. He's pivoting correctly. He's refactoring bad code. Slowly but surely. I've seen commercial products that die because they weren't able to do that. Hell, I've literally heard of someone that committed suicide because he couldn't do it right. So, again, 8 year old code that's still running and actively being improved and all being done by one person. I know people keep complaining "He's making so much money, the code should be better." But I can tell you, first hand, what he's done is pretty impressive. Because, again, how many google products have died during RLE's existence? And they had more money AND people behind it.
 
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VanillaLover

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Dude of course they are; I'm surprised he went to K for 1.5. He's probably not gonna put anymore bug fixes out so you'll have to wait for 1.6. Honestly dunno why anyone bothers with 1.5 I know Oni had medical & family issues but he shoulda just delayed Psylocke until she was completely done. Since unlike previously he'd add a few features he added nothing besides a fake out then her basic shit. Woo.
Because it gives the illusion of progress. If I'm seeing that letter advance every week or so I'm subconsciously thinking that the game is going somewhere with it. That's what keeps the patrons happy.
 

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Dude of course they are; I'm surprised he went to K for 1.5. He's probably not gonna put anymore bug fixes out so you'll have to wait for 1.6. Honestly dunno why anyone bothers with 1.5 I know Oni had medical & family issues but he shoulda just delayed Psylocke until she was completely done. Since unlike previously he'd add a few features he added nothing besides a fake out then her basic shit. Woo.
Well, it's hard to wait for updates when they only come out every year and sprinkled with bug fixes.
I like to replay it every now and then and it's the only game on this site that I do.
I was going to try this version, but I might as well wait.
 

leathermax

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Nah, Oni just be smoking hella bad shit and he's getting worse at everything.
I mean, if the guy had a shred of pride, he'd held from releasing the game a day or two and polish out the most obvious bugs, but instead he serves you a raw steak and asks you how cooked you want it every time you complain. But the only cooked thing here is this mf.
 

Semondemon

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The only caveat to my whining now is he only asks for $1 a month for the damn thing. So hop in, grab the update hop out who cares. A singular dollar in the grand scheme of things is piss all.
And yeah his art has gotten worse. Gwen's front facing pose is fine but her back is obviously just Emma's AGAIN. Seriously he did Storm dirty :(
 

kalodos

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It's not launching for me, I redownloaded it twice and it still isn't, anybody got an idea how I can fix it?
 

sleepingkirby

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It's not launching for me, I redownloaded it twice and it still isn't, anybody got an idea how I can fix it?
That's kinda to vague for us to give any help. Like, are you on windows or android or some other OS? Which version of the OS (ex. win 10? 11? 7?)? Are there any error messages when it doesn't launch? Does it just do nothing or does it show something and then just dies? Does the process even start (i.e. does task manager show a process for it)?
 

kalodos

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That's kinda to vague for us to give any help. Like, are you on windows or android or some other OS? Which version of the OS (ex. win 10? 11? 7?)? Are there any error messages when it doesn't launch? Does it just do nothing or does it show something and then just dies? Does the process even start (i.e. does task manager show a process for it)?
Yeah sorry, should've been more clear. I'm running Windows 10, it shows nothing but the process "starts" as in yes the task manager shows a process, I tried running the exe in administrator mode and disabling my antivirus, still doesn't work
 

randomguy6516265165

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looks like going to the mall alone crash the game and if you go in a date with storm to the restaurant it also crashes the game
 

Dr. Coom

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Oni must've really not been paying attention this time around. Or maybe the spaghetti code just caught up with the system and took the whole thing down.
 
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sleepingkirby

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Yeah sorry, should've been more clear. I'm running Windows 10, it shows nothing but the process "starts" as in yes the task manager shows a process, I tried running the exe in administrator mode and disabling my antivirus, still doesn't work
Hmm... Not much for me to go on. The good news is, it not dying immediately means its trying and starting. As in, it's trying to load stuff but can't get a window open.
Do other ren'py games act this way?
Does windows event viewer show anything for this application?
Which version of the game are you running?
Is there a log.txt or traceback.txt generated in the direction of the game and what does it say?
If you hold shift while starting the game, apparently, you can open up a menu to try different settings. Does it make a difference if you try different renderers?

Addendum:
Doing some googling, there are a few common things that can cause this:
1) "There is an issue that will cause a problem if the path to Ren'Py is not representable in the system encoding. (For example, if your user name is Russian and your system is set to Japanese, you might have a problem.)"
2) Video drivers not installed properly. ( )
 
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Maybe you mean the channel:
Rogue-Like Modding


There is the community of
Rogue-like: Evolution - Prime Mod
https://f95zone.to/threads/rogue-like-evolution-prime-mod.99576/

and
Rogue-like: Evolution - Expanded Mod
https://f95zone.to/threads/rogue-like-evolution-expanded-mod.14865/
yes, but the expanded mod was abandoned, right? That mod is really interesting, it's a shame that it isn't updated with the latest game versions :confused:
 

Laritas

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yes, but the expanded mod was abandoned, right? That mod is really interesting, it's a shame that it isn't updated with the latest game versions :confused:
As I understand it on Discord, the Expand mod is on hold. Has not yet been abandoned. But don't pin me down on that. English is not my mother tongue :whistle:
 
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