Ren'Py Rogue-like: Evolution [v1.62h] [Oni]

[bigjay720]

Comparing OniArtist to someone like MrZed really shows the dramatic difference in work ethic and passion between some indie developers (ESPECIALLY porn game developers):

- MrZed makes around $5000 a month and has two casual part-time helpers.

- Oni makes around $10,000 a month and does everything himself (refusing outside help).

- MrZed has decent updates every month and is open and consistent, often asking for input from people and actually listening to them.

- Oni has tiny updates every 3-4 months and doesn't care too much what people say or want. Consistently minimum effort on his part.

- MrZed's games are more complex to make overall than Oni's game as well. I can't wait until MrZed's next planned project launches; I'm happy to support him while Oni I wouldn't give a cent to.

- MrZed actually finishes his games within 2 years after initial launch while Oni has been making this game for over 5 years to my knowledge.

I know I'm comparing extremes here but still.

Something you forgot to mention. From what I could find of their work here anyway.

- MrZed uses 3d models and animations which can be acquired through numerous 3rd parties and modified to suit MrZed's needs.

- Oni uses hand drawn models and animations all of which he creates by himself.

 

[LowLevelLesser]

Something you forgot to mention. From what I could find of their work here anyway.

- MrZed uses 3d models and animations which can be acquired through numerous 3rd parties and modified to suit MrZed's needs.

- Oni uses hand drawn models and animations all of which he creates by himself.

You might have a fair point there but I believe MrZed made the models and animations himself or with his helpers. I'm open to being corrected if I'm wrong though. I remember seeing how rough his modelling and textures were back when he was just getting started with game development.

 

[YoraeRasante]

it is usually quite easy to see if a 3d model is specifically made or not. most of them are from one of three sources:
daz 3d: a "more realistic", usually glass-eyed model that is very common in poorly-made games, gives me the creeps really, mostly play games with this one for any lore because I have low hopes for sexiness
Honey Select 2/i Shoujo (same style, and same creators really): a slightly less realistic but still real-based, and thus better because it does not reach the uncanny valley
Koikatsu: anime style, less popular but I personally think ends up better

admitedly, the images I saw on MrZed's twitter doesn't seem to be any of the three but still gives the "I was made in a generator" vibe...

 

[depechedNode]

First time heard of this Mr Zed, checked his patreon, interesting games but not comparable to RLE. Looks like there's another very big difference with the devs (at least for me), Oni asks for 1 bucks, Mr Zed asks for 5 bucks, correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[YoraeRasante]

which is actually good business sense from oni.

1 buck feels much less of an issue than 5, so most people would not mind giving 1 against many would mind giving 5. I would say it ends up with more than five times of difference.
in fact, if lowlevewlesser's values are right, it is more like 1 patron of mrzed for each 10 of oni.

 

[LowLevelLesser]

which is actually good business sense from oni.

1 buck feels much less of an issue than 5, so most people would not mind giving 1 against many would mind giving 5. I would say it ends up with more than five times of difference.
in fact, if lowlevewlesser's values are right, it is more like 1 patron of mrzed for each 10 of oni.

Also a fair point. Oni currently has 5673 patrons as of this post while MrZed has 882 patrons. There's no comparison in terms of popularity for sure. Admittedly I refuse to pay more than $10 a month to ANY patreon page regardless of what they're offering (and even $10 is pushing it for sure).

 

[bigjay720]

You might have a fair point there but I believe MrZed made the models and animations himself or with his helpers. I'm open to being corrected if I'm wrong though. I remember seeing how rough his modelling and textures were back when he was just getting started with game development.

Maybe you're right that MrZed and his helpers make the models. I'm just judging from what I could find here, and they look kind of generic.

 

[Erudito]

- Oni makes around $10,000 a month and does everything himself (refusing outside help).

Of course he refuses any sort of help. If he does, that means he has to pay them. 10k is a good amount to not share

 

[salscou]

Of course he refuses any sort of help. If he does, that means he has to pay them. 10k is a good amount to not share

Guy makes more in 3 months than i do working an entire year risking my life, what a lucky fella.

 

[Testerguy19]

Ok I've decided to download the game after much hesitation and give it a try...then I'll be back with my thoughts

 

[MankoEater]

we are gonna be all dead by old age

we are gonna die coming... and going on this thread.

Also hello everyone, how's the mutant x-geneussy beating going?

 

[Semondemon]

I don't even wanna know what a geneussy is stop misusing works tbh. Anyways have fun testerguy, I haven't even played since 0.998a it's just so disappointing how lackluster storms doggy is.

 

[YoraeRasante]

I don't even wanna know what a geneussy is stop misusing works tbh. Anyways have fun testerguy, I haven't even played since 0.998a it's just so disappointing how lackluster storms doggy is.

x-geneussy
x-gene (the gene that makes people be mutants) pussy
mutant girl pussy
sex with female x-men (x-women? I... don't follow the comics, and all the official x-men media I consume of it was after it is filtered in my native language)

 

[salscou]

Gentlemen, gentlemen please.

mutieussy.

 

[aesir150]

Something you forgot to mention. From what I could find of their work here anyway.

- MrZed uses 3d models and animations which can be acquired through numerous 3rd parties and modified to suit MrZed's needs.

- Oni uses hand drawn models and animations all of which he creates by himself.

That exactly is the problem. Oni does everything himself. What he should do is focus on the art and animation, and leave the coding to someone you know competent? Oni's an artist not a programmer.

I don't know anything about MrZed since this is the first I have heard of him, but from this conversation seems like MrZed's a coder and not a artist / 3d modeler. But that just pushes the point is do what you are competent at and outsource other components from competent sources.

Almost every good game on this site usually starts off with 1 developer who eventually hires other team members to help them out. Cause no one can do art, write dialogue, and code all by themselves in any reasonable manner.

If Oni wants to learn to code then make that his full time job and leave someone else to do the art an animation. Pretty sure there are plenty of artist that Oni can pay to replicate his art style, and tons of people who can do the trial and error part of the animation in Renpy.

Oni makes enough to pay the salary of 2 people. $10K a month is $120K a year. If he split the income 50-50 with someone he would still make $60K a year which is enough to live comfortably in like most places in the US. Even if he hired a full time contractor for $20 / hr that would only be $41,600 a year, and would still have $78,400 for himself pre-tax.

 

[YoraeRasante]

Yeah. not only this one, but also Something Unlimited, have artist without much coding experience as creators, and due to that final game itself suffers. They get high enough patreon to hire someone who knows what they are doing, but as they would need to, you know, hire someone else to do the coding from then on (since, if they are working now with better coding, they need to either learn to work with it or keep hiring the coder for future updates...)

There is a reason one of the most successful games here was Four Element Trainer before cbob got deeply depressed, because there was cbob and matty splitting coding and art, one for each, and both working together in the story.
And when they took too long for proper updates, they even froze their patreon until cbob could go back to work on it.
By the way, I need to check there, hopefully it has already return since I last played them. As someone suffering from depression myself, I can understand the struggle.

 

[SwoleSquid]

Gentlemen, gentlemen please.

mutieussy.

Mussy (pronounced myussy)

 

[SwoleSquid]

I don't even wanna know what a geneussy is stop misusing works tbh.

the Jeanussy is that spider like creature Oni put in the game for a scare

 

[Nizzquizz]

Speaking of Jeanussy .. did anybody here by chance play The Forest?
For some reason (Hi Virginia!) that was my first thought upon seeing Jean's infamous pose..

 

[Erudito]

If Oni wants to learn to code then make that his full time job and leave someone else to do the art an animation. Pretty sure there are plenty of artist that Oni can pay to replicate his art style, and tons of people who can do the trial and error part of the animation in Renpy.

Oni makes enough to pay the salary of 2 people. $10K a month is $120K a year. If he split the income 50-50 with someone he would still make $60K a year which is enough to live comfortably in like most places in the US. Even if he hired a full time contractor for $20 / hr that would only be $41,600 a year, and would still have $78,400 for himself pre-tax.

Alright big brain quiz time. Game first came out in 2016? So that's 6 years ago, presumably enough time to at least make you learn and be familiar enough with python coding, even for a person with zero knowledge and laziness(and this is for a dood who's developing his own game, so oni should've learned all these years right?right?)

Now, he could've hired people to share the workload if his excuse is he has an actual job aside from making this game or whatever his usual excuses are, but he didn't. A lot of "could have" decisions to make every process of development more convenient for oni, but he chose not to. So why would a person with enough money to pay several people who has skills to help you and make your life easier but you inherently decided not to?

a. Ego, this game is my baby. I'll develop it on my own even tho i still never get better with coding/animating after 6 years.
b. I love money and will not spend it to hire people even tho i still never get better with coding/animating after 6 years
c. All of the above

[30 marks]