Semondemon

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I understand your point, but I ask, what game? For a long time that Oni has only been hunting for bugs, and I know that in the long run, 3 dollars or 1 dollar, it doesn't seem like much a month, but in the long run, saving, putting together during that half year, it would be in the margin of 18 dollars, and 18 dollars converted to my country's currency, are at the base of 92 $, with 92 $ some families here do the shopping of the month.
It must be nice to only have to spend that much a month here where I live the costs are so high which is why $3 is nothing for me. I'm so poor myself I never spend money irregardless, even on food and I can still barely scrape by. It doesn't matter where you live, the situation of the world is bad for anyone poor, things never change.
 

naoligopraisso

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It must be nice to only have to spend that much a month here where I live the costs are so high which is why $3 is nothing for me. I'm so poor myself I never spend money irregardless, even on food and I can still barely scrape by. It doesn't matter where you live, the situation of the world is bad for anyone poor, things never change.
You misunderstood me, I meant that here in my country, due to poverty, poor government administration and theft of public money, up to 1 dollar becomes 5$, our economy is a joke, while the rich make millions in dollars, the poor have to survive on $ 150 in government aid, which is much less than half a minimum wage and converted into dollars equals 30 dollars.
so no, I didn't mean that we spent it, I meant that some families can ONLY spend it.

not that it's a problem to spend money on games, each one spends in the way that suits you, just saying that, in the long run, the costs are higher than you think. Mainly, if it has no results.
 
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I understand your point, but I ask, what game? For a long time that Oni has only been hunting for bugs, and I know that in the long run, 3 dollars or 1 dollar, it doesn't seem like much a month, but in the long run, saving, putting together during that half year, it would be in the margin of 18 dollars, and 18 dollars converted to my country's currency, are at the base of 92 $, with 92 $ some families here do the shopping of the month.
And then you could bring to attention that this game is already FIVE years on patreon. 1$ a month for 5 years is 60$. Sixty.fucking.bucks. for a flash game
 

Semondemon

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And then you could bring to attention that this game is already FIVE years on patreon. 1$ a month for 5 years is 60$. Sixty.fucking.bucks. for a flash game
I only recently became a patreon so I've only paid like two dollars so far. I mean a dollar per update then drop it until a new one comes out. No one's holding you to stay onto this for fifteen years.
Don't take your annoyance out on me I dindu nuffin at all in this case.
 

Ric

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What is the point, being on a pirate site, to think how much money the author makes. And tell others how they should spend their money. People who pay know what they are doing and are not dumber than those who advise not to pay.
Some have the opportunity to pay, while others do not. But why complain and raise this topic? In this thread, users get links for free.
The author does a pretty good job, given the specifics of the game and art. In addition, the author has established a permanent workflow that allows you to release a new version once every 4 months, of which up to 1 month is spent on fixing bugs. This process has been unchanged for several years.
Not many authors can boast such stability.
If you compare with other authors, you can find many examples where, with much higher revenue, releases are fewer, and the quality is also not always at the level.
Given that the game has copyrighted art, this is generally a separate category of games. There are authors who make the same art in the form of comics or just a pin-up, without any games. Issue 1-2 pages per week and have a much larger income.
This game was originally conceived with one character - Rogue. And when the author was already thinking of completing the game, it was the patrons who insisted on the continuation. Accordingly, when the "foundation" of the game was originally made for one character, it took a lot of work to create a workable version with the ability to add new characters.
Any game until it is completed will have bugs. And the more serious the changes, the more time it takes to debug bugs.
In the case of this game, the author does everything necessary so that each new version is stable. Again, not all authors do this. In many games with large payments, bugs are not always eliminated even in the final version.

Accordingly, the author makes the game while he has an incentive = he is paid for it.
If someone does not like the game, he may not play it. If someone cannot pay, let him not pay. But why tell others what they should do. If no one pays the author, the author will end the game. Therefore, on the contrary, you need to thank patrons that such a game exists.

The paradox of pirated sites. Pirates are called pirates because they take for free what others pay for. And at the same time, these same pirates urge not to pay. And if you don’t pay, what will the pirates take?

IF
Can we make some changes to this forum? Like, every 3rd person asking about Mystique, mac unzipping or some other bs, gets a dick card. If you get 3,your avatar is changed to a dick pic, and your nickname to "dick##"? Please?
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He is making more than 10K$, and updating the game once in a couple of months with barely any content. Are you really implying that this is completely normal?
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Even if we choose 1$ per month. The game has been out on Patreon for FIVE YEARS (holy crap, right?). Technically it means You could already spend 60 freaking bucks on it. 60$ on a simple flash game. Like, why would anyone do that?...
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And then you could bring to attention that this game is already FIVE years on patreon. 1$ a month for 5 years is 60$. Sixty.fucking.bucks. for a flash game
Milking expert?
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[Ren'Py] "a flash game"?

What does the information (on a pirate site) give how much is needed or not needed to pay the author?
If people pay 1$, then they are not able to independently calculate or decide what to do with their money? If say that for a year they spend 12$ and for 5 years 60$ it will open their eyes, because without this calculation they did not suspect what "gigantic" money they spend? (you also need to consider that most patrons, like the author himself, will never read this)

People came to the pirate site to get what they need for free, no matter how much the author makes money.
In addition, the work of the patreon is designed to work with different patrons. Any author has several types of patrons, which differ not only in the size of the contribution, but also in the frequency of payment.
Some patrons pay monthly, some only at the time of release, some once a year. Thus, the payment formula 1 * 12 * 5 = 60 does not apply to all patrons. Most people can afford $ 1 per month per game. Well, those who can’t afford it just need to come to terms with this fact.
 
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What is the point, being on a pirate site, to think how much money the author makes. And tell others how they should spend their money. People who pay know what they are doing and are not dumber than those who advise not to pay.
Some have the opportunity to pay, while others do not. But why complain and raise this topic? In this thread, users get links for free.
The author does a pretty good job, given the specifics of the game and art. In addition, the author has established a permanent workflow that allows you to release a new version once every 4 months, of which up to 1 month is spent on fixing bugs. This process has been unchanged for several years.
Not many authors can boast such stability.
If you compare with other authors, you can find many examples where, with much higher revenue, releases are fewer, and the quality is also not always at the level.
Given that the game has copyrighted art, this is generally a separate category of games. There are authors who make the same art in the form of comics or just a pin-up, without any games. Issue 1-2 pages per week and have a much larger income.
This game was originally conceived with one character - Rogue. And when the author was already thinking of completing the game, it was the patrons who insisted on the continuation. Accordingly, when the "foundation" of the game was originally made for one character, it took a lot of work to create a workable version with the ability to add new characters.
Any game until it is completed will have bugs. And the more serious the changes, the more time it takes to debug bugs.
In the case of this game, the author does everything necessary so that each new version is stable. Again, not all authors do this. In many games with large payments, bugs are not always eliminated even in the final version.

Accordingly, the author makes the game while he has an incentive = he is paid for it.
If someone does not like the game, he may not play it. If someone cannot pay, let him not pay. But why tell others what they should do. If no one pays the author, the author will end the game. Therefore, on the contrary, you need to thank patrons that such a game exists.

The paradox of pirated sites. Pirates are called pirates because they take for free what others pay for. And at the same time, these same pirates urge not to pay. And if you don’t pay, what will the pirates take?

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Milking expert?
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[Ren'Py] "a flash game"?

What does the information (on a pirate site) give how much is needed or not needed to pay the author?
If people pay 1$, then they are not able to independently calculate or decide what to do with their money? If say that for a year they spend 12$ and for 5 years 60$ it will open their eyes, because without this calculation they did not suspect what "gigantic" money they spend? (you also need to consider that most patrons, like the author himself, will never read this)

People came to the pirate site to get what they need for free, no matter how much the author makes money.
In addition, the work of the patreon is designed to work with different patrons. Any author has several types of patrons, which differ not only in the size of the contribution, but also in the frequency of payment.
Some patrons pay monthly, some only at the time of release, some once a year. Thus, the payment formula 1 * 12 * 5 = 60 does not apply to all patrons. Most people can afford $ 1 per month per game. Well, those who can’t afford it just need to come to terms with this fact.
You ask me "what is the point", and at the same time you drop a freaking wall of text, on an adult gaming forum. lol You really wanna talk about time wasting? You, the guy that keeps making photoshopped memes for this thread? xD
 

naoligopraisso

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He defends with such fervor and writes a wall of text, it seems that he is the dev of the game.
I'm sorry for anyone who thinks otherwise, but half a year working on a game, and not delivering anything other than bugfix is a shame, there are countless other good or even better games than rogue like evolution, which take every 1 or 2 months to update your games.
As I said right up there, I don't care how the patreon spend their money, it's not my money, I just think it's funny to keep giving money to not receive anything in return, even if it's 1 $ or 3 $.
 

Ric

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You ask me "what is the point", and at the same time you drop a freaking wall of text, on an adult gaming forum. lol You really wanna talk about time wasting? You, the guy that keeps making photoshopped memes for this thread? xD
I just asked you, “in the wall of text” why you write the same thing for several years, every time you are surprised that the author makes the release for exactly 4 months and regularly write about the author’s incredible income of 1 dollar per month.
I wrote 1 time, you wrote several times. But you did not answer the questions.
I can answer yours. I do not want to spend my time on a pirated site, reading posts that are not related to the game and will not affect the work of author. My post is only half dedicated to you. In this topic there are several users who raised the same topic as you (about payments to the author). Accordingly, if you add up your posts and posts similar to yours, a decent number of posts will be typed. And their number will far exceed my "wall of text"
In addition, you yourself wrote that you are annoyed by the discussion of the work of archivers and other identical questions, and that is why I turned to you.
I am for the topic to be discussed only the game. And not who pays how much, how the computer works and other nonsense not related to the game. All that does not concern the game is spam, including your posts about 1 dollar, and my posts on this subject.
I made memes instead of a "wall of text" (as in this case) and, again, in response to several meaningless posts. (To express an opinion, you can write text in a post, or you can make a meme, where part of the text will replace the image)
Also, as I said earlier, I can remove all my memes from this topic and not do them in the future. And I already deleted some of the memes and messages (at least 40 of my posts) in order to remove spam.
And if I need to delete all my posts, then this will be rightly only if such posts are deleted others.

and now specially for you, a summary of the essence:
Why in the topic, to write the same thing not related to the game and aimed at those who are not in this topic? When this is written several times sometimes by the same user, for example, I have a desire to ask him once about the logic of such posts.
 

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If his patreons would reduce, thath will give him something to think about and maybe start doing something. 500 page by the way, just saying
Yeah.. He would start thinking about quitting. Great plan, dude! But you can always unsubscribe from his patreon. No wait. You would have to be subscribed first. Must be hard to enjoy pirated games. Let's come up with a better plan to ruin an honest man's livelihood.
 

Eltar

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Don't even think about stopping to make memes - this thread, SU and SS one are the best ones this forum - this because of the memes and two others because of the whiners, come on, you can't leave us hanging like this, I mean, this is the only thread I visit on regular basis, to check on the memes.
As to what you were saying - shitposting had always been and will always be a problem, if you want to see it as a problem - as long as there is a crowd surrounding any project, whether it's a porn game, a recipe cookbook, an art project, a tech YT channel or anything else - there will always be shitposters. People like that will not provide any constructive criticism, will never point out your mistakes, they are not interested in that - they only thing that they want is to tell that you suck. There probably is a reason for this, because such behavior is old as the first creator, but I don't know it - what I know is that if you are trying to do something and your work is accessible to a large enough audience - you'll face such people and will have to deal with them. And there are two ways that you can:
You can ignore them - the problem is that you still need criticism in order to be better and if you are not listeting to any feedback, you are not listening to good feedback, which you, as a creator, require - in order to get around this you can work closely with a group of people, who will provide you with actual criticism - the problem with it is that this people can be biased and don't see things that are obvious to others, but it's still better then nothing.
The other way is to harshly moderate the resource you use to present your work to the public - if resource, like this one, do not have any repercussions for shitposting, then people who do that for fun or to vent some anger will appear - and then some other people will see that loudmouth idiots can get away with that behavior and will mimic it - and the number of shitposters will just rise with general population, polluting any discussion. You can assign moderators or moderate yourself and give timed or permanent mutes or bans - the notion, that meaningless and harmful behavior is punished, usually serves as a buffer to make shitposters go somewhere else. The problem with that approach is that you can, voluntarily or involuntarily, create an echo chamber, where people with valid criticism are afraid to speak, because they think they will be perceived as shitposters and banned.
So the point - I understand what you were saying, but to change this situation either Oni must have a control of this thread - which he doesn't have and won't have - or moderators on this website must be interested in changing this situation - which they don't, therefore this whole discussion is pointless - things won't change because nothing is done to change them. As to you trying to know the meaning behind actions of such people - it's pointless, they have none. So basically you can relax and memepost back, fight fire with fire, you won't win, but atleast it's fun.
 
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