Ren'Py Rogue-like: Evolution [v1.6d] [Oni]
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Dittymyman was the only one willing to create a Jubilee sex scene when Oni was several months late with her. For free.
- Jun 9, 2019
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The problem with Oni is, and it pains me to say this, is that Oni just isn't a very good artist to begin with.
I just browsed through his pin-up catalog on rule34 for the first time and was not impressed. It's obvious that he takes real-life images of porn then just traces over them to get the poses he wants, ala Eva Kiss. While doing this technique is a fool-proof way to get your anatomy "right" it is ultimately a crutch that won't teach the artist in the long term if you just use it as training wheels. It's a bit lazy, honestly. Oni's been in the Erotic Art business a long, long time (at least since 2007 so certainly before that) but his quality of images hasn't progressed all that much. Comics and cartoons are all about knowing when to exaggerate for effect. If you copy poses from a photograph, it shows, and tends to take the viewer out of the experience. Also, much like Eva Kiss, Oni doesn't make good choices for light, color, and shadow. His color renderings and backgrounds have all the dynamism of an episode of Peppa Pig.
Not to just take a huge steamy dump on Oni, I'll give him credit where credit is due. His models and poses for Rogue, Kitty, and Laura are excellent, and some of the greatest examples of his work. Oni can produce outstanding erotic art if he puts his mind to it. No one can take away the original girls from Oni, and without them, Rouge Like wouldn't be the success story that it is. Another thing that Oni has going for him is his writing. His dialog trees are pretty damn funny.
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Really starting to think the real reason this so popular despite a lot of us feeling like it isn't that good is that there isn't really another stat driven sandbox sex game that quite scratches the same itch.
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i'm really missing these sluttification games,even better that they have well known characters,even thought about trying akabur games again but then i remembered the insane grind those games have
I'm seeing so many people complaining like this about the update from a singular person developing an indie game by himself, so far I have seen the update I like it, it's alright, the bugs are a problem but Oni as far as I have seen works fast to fix them. Now not everything that Oni does is great I do feel like they should make some more updates to the past charecters. And when he makes a promise that they are going to drop a big update they should complete it. I do believe that by next month only should be dropping the next half of the content 2 months at worst.
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Have you tried Superpowered? I think it is the most system driven porn game with the widest range of options, especially on the abuse of power side. It is not perfect, and it can be grindy if you start to hunt all the variations in all the characters, but I haven't found a better and more thoughtful progression system in a game of this type so far.
I only played News Desk and quite recently Soldiers Life (but have others on my list to play as well) and I found both fantastic. I fall on the side of weird people that like actual gameplay in their porn game. And I found both games relatively short and to the point. Both card game system (News Desk) and Sorties with random encounters and battles (Soldiers Life) had enough depth to be at least engaging enough to create a decent gameplay loop. Grind I can't stand is one I found in sandbox games, where loop is defined by passing days and weeks, and at one point you discover, that you can progress only in one day of the weak (only in specific hour of the day of course!)
Based and Agreeable, only thing I will say is Oni needs to work on her face that's all really.
Does anyone else get an error when Betsy tries to suck you off in the morning? Also, the sex stuff is not implemented - is this based on the new release, or what?
the most important thing is , no matter how i try , i cant find the Squirrel girl. can somebody kindly tell me how to get into her?
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Its not the same, one thing RLE has over most of the games in general is freedom.
You wanna fuck Storm up the ass while Jubilee watches? well go anddo it, it isnt an event, it isnt a PNG with text, it isnt an cutscene, its just a matter of you getting enough stats with both characters to go an do it, and you get to choose the pose, clothes, hair, noother game gives you that kind of freedom.
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She doesn't truly exist yet. Might not be in past the current cameo stage for up to three years depending on how the polls go.
*inner thoughts* Last time I posted in this thread I got some negative attention because I thought the lewd touch thing only applied to Rogue still. I'll do better this time and provide thoughtful and current comments about the latest updated version!
*looks at above post*
Ok Rogue, I wish I could do this with all the girls but I'll settle for doing my magic touch with just you. Twenty versions back is the only way to be safe.
Yup this nails it on the head why there is almost no alternative to Rogue Like. Almost every H game is always the same restrictive linear gameplay loop over and over, where there is no freedom to do anything in scenes.
Rogue Like lets to swap to whatever sex action you want at anytime assuming you level the girl up high enough, and you can bang them whenever, wherever, with whomever you wish. Cause the sex scenes is all "real time" while most of the other games are all just either pre generated video / animation clips or like the same 3 key frame pictures during an entire sex scene with lots of boring repetitive dialogue.
In other words Rogue Like actually feels like a game where you are free to make decisions most of the time, while other games are visual novels, where they aren't really a game but more of just story book that occassionally lets you make a decision.
I was playing Null Hypothesis for the first time yesterday, and at first I was yes this game has the more indepth mechanics people were asking Oni to add in Rogue Like. But I felt the game was awful because it was way too overly scripted and felt like a normal linear game rather than a sex sandbox. Like you have to flirt with all 3 girls simultaneously, and do multiple rounds of quests, and go on x number of dates with them, along with getting their Love / Trust up to even bang one of them. While in Rogue Like, if you don't care for the other girls you can just ignore them and focus on pursuing only the girls you like.
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Fooling around with a girl and having another girl walk in or ask her to join causes a crash. Threesomes are pretty much just broken now, even started a new save. Still breaks
Yeah, one of the first things that was drilled into me when I learned art was how to do anatomy right. It makes a huge difference and improves your art dramatically. While references are nice, over reliance on them can become crutch. (Speaking from experience)
I can understand that. It can be a blessing too though. Imagine if, in 8 years, the first character for a game looks substantially different in style and mannerism compared to the first. Like, if you look at mangas that ran for multiple years, the art between the first volume and the last volume looks dramatically different. Not saying that either is good or bad, just that, in this game, it kinda works out.
Of course there are artists that managed to find and stabilize their style through their entire life. Not gonna lie. I always find that impressive. Not saying Oni is or isn't one of those, but like Rumiko Takahashi? Or CLAMP? I think their works lasts generations because of this.
The problem with that is, when they do it well, you'll never know. Like all the disney animated films? They had live models. From snow white to Aladdin. I even learned recently that the opener for FFVIII had motion capture but they chose to hand animate instead of using what was captured.
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according to China!LOL. In all seriousness though. Yeah, they really do need some improvement. I once worked with someone that did American comics (yes, published by a major comic book publisher) and what he started doing was taking a pre modeled (either himself or he'd just buy assets) CG backgrounds, angled the camera in... I think he used 3d studio max at the time, rendered that still as a wire frame and drew over it. Another short cut would be to just render it with a cell-shading filter and blur it to make it fuzzy out detail and make people not focus on the BG. Maybe someone that's a patron of his can throw that his way as an idea/shortcut. It's especially good if the locations are limited since you just need a single model. Like, I'm willing to bet someone somewhere has made a model for the high school in X-Men: Evolution.
Yeah. Like I was telling someone else in private conversations. I wasn't trying to defend the guy, but credit where credit is due. Something doesn't have to be perfect to be fun and enjoyable. Something done perfectly isn't always fun. If people are enjoying it, that's all that really matters. That's what art is, ultimately.
Yeah, I got that too. And the exp/leveling system/progress is tied to the linear story. Like, doesn't that make the leveling system pointless? Like, why not just use flags or counters at that point? (Not rhetorical. Genuinely asking. If someone has a good justification, I'm all ears.)
And you only get to actually have sex after the 4th chapter. It doesn't matter how far you level, you HAVE to progress the story to do it. That drives me mad.
Also, according to their patreon post, v0.3a REDUCED the exp grind. Love and trust max out at 1000 at chapter 4 and each class/training/studying gives you 6 points to either love or trust or both. That's 167 study and/or training sessions PER character. 500 in total! And they want to add as many characters as Oni has!
Like all the best to them but I hope they figure out what they want the game to be. It's not enough to just copy what someone else did and then make it look better. (A LOT of tech startups try to do this and fail. This is where all that "Why are tech bros just reinventing things that already exist?" comes from.) You really need to have a solid vision and purpose of your own.