Ren'Py Rogue-like: Evolution [v1.70d] [Oni]

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JacksHoff said:
why is it unethical for art but no programing or loading trucks? the robot can't do anything unless we command it to so even it's art is by a man.
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1) Because of how the AI were fed: with art collected on the internet without its creators knowing it and even less approving it. There is a name for that kind of thing: theft, hence me calling AI use for artistic purpose unethical since it's built upon mass-thievery of authentic artists.

2) You said it yourself, AI doesn't really deserve the "intelligence" in its name: the user is the one doing the thinking. But using your imagination to come up with an original idea is but the first step into making art: after that, you have to realize your concept. This implies mastering the tools of the trade, whatever art you're doing; with an AI, you skip this part by literally automating the executive process. The moment you stop actually involving yourself in the realization of your idea and get an automaton on it, you go from art to product*, hence me calling pics generated by AI so-called art.

*: to make it clear, I'm not a Luddite. I simply don't call whatever is mass-produced in factories (at our command too... ) art - and I don't think anyone does. There is a reason why handmade things are more valued...
 
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this game used to make my Xiaomi incredibly hot and laggy (version 0.9xxx something) and now years later I gave it a shot (v1.6) on my M1 air and game started slowing down an hour or so in and I was confused for a bit and then realized it was also incredibly hot to the touch
never change RogueLike Evo...
 
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Lulu66638 said:
1) Because of how the AI were fed: with art collected on the internet without its creators knowing it and even less approving it. There is a name for that kind of thing: theft, hence me calling AI use for artistic purpose unethical since it's built upon mass-thievery of authentic artists.

2) You said it yourself, AI doesn't really deserve the "intelligence" in its name: the user is the one doing the thinking. But using your imagination to come up with an original idea is but the first step into making art: after that, you have to realize your concept. This implies mastering the tools of the trade, whatever art you're doing; with an AI, you skip this part by literally automating the executive process. The moment you stop actually involving yourself in the realization of your idea and get an automaton on it, you go from art to product*, hence me calling pics generated by AI so-called art.

*: to make it clear, I'm not a Luddite. I simply don't call whatever is mass-produced in factories (at our command too... ) art - and I don't think anyone does. There is a reason why handmade things are more valued...
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the only hand a value is job
 
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Lev4ik said:
[purestrain cope]
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lmfao every bluecheck statue pfp nazi on twitter is buttmad and raging that her thighs are too thick, and everyone into the game on Bluesky either doesn't care or is busy making art of her crushing watermelons between them.

"oh well uhhhhhh abut both sides bad *backpeddles more furiously than a spin class stuck in reverse*"
 
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Lulu66638 said:
1) Because of how the AI were fed: with art collected on the internet without its creators knowing it and even less approving it. There is a name for that kind of thing: theft, hence me calling AI use for artistic purpose unethical since it's built upon mass-thievery of authentic artists.

2) You said it yourself, AI doesn't really deserve the "intelligence" in its name: the user is the one doing the thinking. But using your imagination to come up with an original idea is but the first step into making art: after that, you have to realize your concept. This implies mastering the tools of the trade, whatever art you're doing; with an AI, you skip this part by literally automating the executive process. The moment you stop actually involving yourself in the realization of your idea and get an automaton on it, you go from art to product*, hence me calling pics generated by AI so-called art.

*: to make it clear, I'm not a Luddite. I simply don't call whatever is mass-produced in factories (at our command too... ) art - and I don't think anyone does. There is a reason why handmade things are more valued...
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A YouTuber I watched said AI art are just pretty pictures, not actual art.
 
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asha32 said:
this game used to make my Xiaomi incredibly hot and laggy (version 0.9xxx something) and now years later I gave it a shot (v1.6) on my M1 air and game started slowing down an hour or so in and I was confused for a bit and then realized it was also incredibly hot to the touch
never change RogueLike Evo...
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i know we talking bout the game but damn does that profile picture look gorgeous
 
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JAvatar said:
It's still theft.
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It is also a part of progress i as a person who doesn't like change also understand that this will not just go away and complaining is not going to change that the world is changing and no matter what it's not going to change the best you can do is support the real art also the thing that most people don't seem to get is that the regular non artist are not all able to drop the money for art or time to learn to make it themselves so if people find an easy alternative they will take the easy option what I'm saying is this argument is not going to change AI art is here and the only thing you can do is support real art.
 
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