RPGM Completed Sayaka's Addiction [v1.01 Steam] [Kedama Qube]

[antidotecrk]

I really don't like how you guys are putting all of the blame on Kagura Games for the errors, yes they *should* have done better testing, but it's not entirely their fault. RPG Maker has no error checking *at all* so it's difficult to check every possible error state, this is a massive failing on the part of the tool, not just the localization team.

Seriously you try checking *thousands* of events with hundreds of lines of event commands spread across several pages each. It's easy to miss and hard to check for manually.

 

[danadana]

I really don't like how you guys are putting all of the blame on Kagura Games for the errors, yes they *should* have done better testing, but it's not entirely their fault. RPG Maker has no error checking *at all* so it's difficult to check every possible error state, this is a massive failing on the part of the tool, not just the localization team.

Seriously you try checking *thousands* of events with hundreds of lines of event commands spread across several pages each. It's easy to miss and hard to check for manually.

You're buying a game, you're spending money, and in return you receive a game that you can't play and they haven't fixed it for 5 days. I think it's normal for people to be a bit angry. Kagura is selling the game and making profits so the company is responsible for any bugs that their locations may cause.

Besides, we are not talking about small translation errors or small errors that do not affect the gaming experience, this time it is literally that you cannot play and the solution is to save the game often because the game breaks.

If they had played for 30 minutes they would have discovered that there would be problems. They didn't need a long game session or to do crazy things to find bugs because bugs find you this time.

 

[antidotecrk]

You're buying a game, you're spending money, and in return you receive a game that you can't play and they haven't fixed it for 5 days. I think it's normal for people to be a bit angry. Kagura is selling the game and making profits so the company is responsible for any bugs that their locations may cause.

Besides, we are not talking about small translation errors or small errors that do not affect the gaming experience, this time it is literally that you cannot play and the solution is to save the game often because the game breaks.

If they had played for 30 minutes they would have discovered that there would be problems. They didn't need a long game session or to do crazy things to find bugs because bugs find you this time.

What you said doesn't address the underlying issue, I'm *not* saying Kagura Games is innocent, I'm saying the tooling sucks.


EDIT:
5 days to fix an issue? You do realize that 5 days ago was the *weekend*, debugging RPG Maker issues is a gigantic pain and will take more than a few days to iron out all of the issues, what you're doing is being entitled to immediate fixes, which no, you aren't. If they don't have a fix out in a couple of weeks, then *yes* that's a problem, however expecting a patch within 5 days, 2 of which were the *weekend* is a little petty.

 

[raizen23]

In the Kagura Games version? Errors and crashes are quite common.

that same mistake has already happened to me in several Missions, I think the game is worse than the old MTL version

 

[danadana]

What you said doesn't address the underlying issue, I'm *not* saying Kagura Games is innocent, I'm saying the tooling sucks.


EDIT:
5 days to fix an issue? You do realize that 5 days ago was the *weekend*, debugging RPG Maker issues is a gigantic pain and will take more than a few days to iron out all of the issues, what you're doing is being entitled to immediate fixes, which no, you aren't. If they don't have a fix out in a couple of weeks, then *yes* that's a problem, however expecting a patch within 5 days, 2 of which were the *weekend* is a little petty.

It's not the consumer's fault that the game's development tool isn't good and also that the game has bugs. The consumer pays money to receive a product, the rest is irrelevant.

 

[antidotecrk]

It's not the consumer's fault that the game's development tool isn't good and also that the game has bugs. The consumer pays money to receive a product, the rest is irrelevant.

Incorrect, it's very relevant, I get that the consumer is affected by the game having errors and crashes, however you trivializing how development works as "irrelevant" is ignoring the root cause of the problem, If the RPG Maker tooling was better errors like this would be non-existent. Also I've seen occasions where RPG Maker straight up doesn't properly copy files when deploying the game for distribution, is that the fault of the developer or the tool?

EDIT:
Also, my latter point is what appears to have happened here, there are missing files, I doubt that was done on purpose, whoever did the deployment probably accidentally clicked "Don't copy unused files" and that excluded any file that was only referenced by script event commands.

Is this a problem? Yes, should Kagura have caught it? Absolutely! Should it even be possible in the first place? Absolutely not.

 

[Troqu]

that same mistake has already happened to me in several Missions, I think the game is worse than the old MTL version

It's definitively worse. They caused major memory leaks which is why any scene (and the status screen) that uses live2d can randomly crash.

 

[antidotecrk]

It's definitively worse. They caused major memory leaks which is why any scene (and the status screen) that uses live2d can randomly crash.

This game doesn't use live2d it uses Animated PNGs (apng)

 

[Maouhime]

Incorrect, it's very relevant, I get that the consumer is affected by the game having errors and crashes, however you trivializing how development works as "irrelevant" is ignoring the root cause of the problem, If the RPG Maker tooling was better errors like this would be non-existent. Also I've seen occasions where RPG Maker straight up doesn't properly copy files when deploying the game for distribution, is that the fault of the developer or the tool?

I will just that the said crashing errors only existed in the original day 1 japanese release.
The Developer himself fixed those issues long ago, that is why the japanese version is on 1.13 ( same version as the chatgpt tl).

The chat gpt translation had no such issues and KG version which is supposed to be made by a company does?

Now if Kagura Games actually put some effort in testing games, they would have noticed the issue right away.
And how did they manage to readd a issue that the developer fixed ages ago back to the game? thats the real question.

As for missing files in the KG version, sorry to say but i compared to the japanese version and the file number is exactly the same (kagura games version actually haz even more files than the japanese version, they sure love to bloat the game folders).

At this point people are better off playing the chatpgpt TL, unless they want to save every 2 minutes due to crashes and/or lose progress, that and the memory leaks.

 

[antidotecrk]

I will just that the said crashing errors only existed in the original day 1 japanese release.
The Developer himself fixed those issues long ago, that is why the japanese version is on 1.13 ( same version as the chatgpt tl).

The chat gpt translation had no such issues and KG version which is supposed to be made by a company does?

Now if Kagura Games actually put some effect in testing games, they would have noticed the issue right away.
And how did they manage to readd a issue that the developer fixed ages ago back to the game? thats the real question.

As for missing files in the KG version, sorry to say but i compared to the japanese version and the file number is exactly the same (kagura games version actually haz even more files than the japanese version, they sure love to bloat the game folders).

At this point people are better off playing the chatpgpt TL, unless they want to save every 2 minutes due to crashes and prob make the computer blowup due to the memory leaks kg added in.

You can't just compare file count, you also need to compare filenames. and there are definitely missing files if you cross reference the missing filenames. Also the pictures directory has a grand total of 7 more hardly worth calling it "bloat"

If you want to disregard horrible tooling then you're more than welcome to, but that won't make the actual problem go away.

The memory leaks are actually unrelated to what Kagura did, but related to the ApngPicture and PIXIApngAndGif plugins that the original developer used, the leaks always existed, but you either didn't notice, or only started caring now.

EDIT:
Just compared the two version's img directories, there is a grand total of 33 "extra" files. Plus a few that are missing.

 

[Maouhime]

You can't just compare file count, you also need to compare filenames. and there are definitely missing files if you cross reference the missing filenames. Also the pictures directory has a grand total of 7 more hardly worth calling it "bloat"

If you want to disregard horrible tooling then you're more than welcome to, but that won't make the actual problem go away.

The memory leaks are actually unrelated to what Kagura did, but related to the ApngPicture and PIXIApngAndGif plugins that the original developer used, the leaks always existed, but you either didn't notice, or only started caring now.

Also i laugh at the 5 days thing. Kagura works in a very simple form. Only 1 or 2 patches and they move to the next game (theres quite a lot of games that been bugged for 3 years with game crashing errors and see if they cared).
If a game sells well enough then they will think about doing more fixes, if not then forget it.
They trive on the idiots who blindly buy their games on release who hope the games get fixes. By the time the buyers realize that they wont, kg already haz their money and good luck getting refunds.
And yet they still defend KG.

And sorry to say but i played the japanese version , the chatgpt mtl AND the KG version.
never had "memory leaks" nor the crashes people have when acessign h scenes or the menu in the first 2 Like this :
https://f95zone.to/threads/sayakas-addiction-v1-01-steam-kedama-qube.191879/post-16479663 (funny how that crash only existed in the earlier japanese versions of the game) and kg managed to bring it back.


Also, please do illuminate me on what files are missing., Because i just compared both versions file name wise, and they look exactly the same , other than the extra "bloat".
Unless youre one of those who doesnt know how to patch a game then comes here complaining that theres "cut content" , like the guy on the previous page

 

[danadana]

Incorrect, it's very relevant, I get that the consumer is affected by the game having errors and crashes, however you trivializing how development works as "irrelevant" is ignoring the root cause of the problem, If the RPG Maker tooling was better errors like this would be non-existent. Also I've seen occasions where RPG Maker straight up doesn't properly copy files when deploying the game for distribution, is that the fault of the developer or the tool?

People don't give a shit about development, if bugs are hard to fix, or any other excuse. I can keep answering you with the same phrase: The consumer pays money to receive a product, the rest is irrelevant. As long as the consumer is happy with what he has bought, everything is fine. Kagura sells and you buy, if there is any problem you can get a refund.

 

[antidotecrk]

Also i laugh at the 5 days thing. Kagura works in a very simple form. Only 1 or 2 patches and they move to the next game (theres quite a lot of games that been bugged for 3 years with game crashing errors and see if they cared).
If a game sells well enough then they will think about doing more fixes, if not then forget it.
They trive on the idiots who blindly buy their games on release who hope the games get fixes. By the time the buyers realize that they wont, kg already haz their money and good luck getting refunds.
And yet they still defend KG.

And sorry to say but i played the japanese version , the chatgpt mtl AND the KG version.
never had "memory leaks" nor the crashes people have when acessign h scenes or the menu in the first 2 Like this :
https://f95zone.to/threads/sayakas-addiction-v1-01-steam-kedama-qube.191879/post-16479663 (funny how that crash only existed in the earlier japanese versions of the game) and kg managed to bring it back.


Also, please do illuminate me on what files are missing., Because i just compared both versions file name wise, and they look exactly the same , other than the extra "bloat".
Unless youre one of those who doesnt know how to patch a game then comes here complaining that theres "cut content" , like the guy on the previous page

I absolutely know how to modify any just about any game I get my hands on, but the ones I'm comparing are 100% unmodified. When I say missing files I'm going by the filenames that show up in the error messages (which, btw, aren't crashes)

 

[Maouhime]

People don't give a shit about development, if bugs are hard to fix, or any other excuse. I can keep answering you with the same phrase: The consumer pays money to receive a product, the rest is irrelevant. As long as the consumer is happy with what he has bought, everything is fine. Kagura sells and you buy, if there is any problem you can get a refund.

You yourself said as well, if im not mistaken that those crashes only existed in the release of the jp game.

As for getting refunds, if you buy the game on steam you maybe able to get one if its under 2 hours gameplay/1 week past buying it i think and thats it.
But people tend to be dumb enough to believe KG will fix their shit.And the refund times just fly by.

 

[antidotecrk]

People don't give a shit about development, if bugs are hard to fix, or any other excuse. I can keep answering you with the same phrase: The consumer pays money to receive a product, the rest is irrelevant. As long as the consumer is happy with what he has bought, everything is fine. Kagura sells and you buy, if there is any problem you can get a refund.

Ok, then get a refund, complaining about it on an unrelated forum is a) petty, and b) not helpful. It also doesn't address the point I brought up.

Does KG need to improve things? Absolutely, I'm not denying that, I never once said KG was blameless, they absolutely have blame on their side of things. But it's not the whole story which was what I was saying.

EDIT:
RPG Maker's engine itself is pretty darn robust and decently well designed. Their editor absolutely sucks and leads to problems like this being trivial to run into.

I didn't want to bring it up because I didn't want people to take this as me crapping on RPG Maker to promote my own project, but these *exact* issues are why I've been working on my own replacement editor for RPG Maker MV/MZ, I'm not going to post details here because it's not relevant, but the the *reason* I started it is. The tooling is just awful and hamstrings the engine itself.

I'm not saying that KG wouldn't have had any issues if the tooling was better, but the issues would have been much fewer and more related to logic rather than missing/misnamed files.

 

[Maouhime]

I absolutely know how to modify any just about any game I get my hands on, but the ones I'm comparing are 100% unmodified. When I say missing files I'm going by the filenames that show up in the error messages (which, btw, aren't crashes)

Indeed, I am comparing the japanese version which i actually own with the KG version.And thus i asked you for these "missing files", because its more likely to be renamed files rather than "missing". Like i said people claiming about missing files and cut content do show up:
https://f95zone.to/threads/sayakas-addiction-v1-01-steam-kedama-qube.191879/post-16483145

But those people dont even own the game from proper sources, nor do know how to patch a game.

And right now idk about what errors you on about, i am talking about the createdata error which indeed crashes/closes the game and IS NOT related to any missing file.
But it is related to Kagura games Stupidity, as i just had to REPLACE a very specific file with the japanese version counterpart to fix it. (still testing it but for no i see no create data issues nor memory leaks that "always existed").

 

[danadana]

Ok, then get a refund, complaining about it on an unrelated forum is a) petty, and b) not helpful. It also doesn't address the point I brought up.

Does KG need to improve things? Absolutely, I'm not denying that, I never once said KG was blameless, they absolutely have blame on their side of things. But it's not the whole story which was what I was saying.

EDIT:
RPG Maker's engine itself is pretty darn robust and decently well designed. Their editor absolutely sucks and leads to problems like this being trivial to run into.

I didn't want to bring it up because I didn't want people to take this as me crapping on RPG Maker to promote my own project, but these *exact* issues are why I've been working on my own replacement editor for RPG Maker MV/MZ, I'm not going to post details here because it's not relevant, but the the *reason* I started it is. The tooling is just awful and hamstrings the engine itself.

I'm not saying that KG wouldn't have had any issues if the tooling was better, but the issues would have been much fewer and more related to logic rather than missing/misnamed files.

I can only answer you with this after reading your nonsense.

 

[antidotecrk]

I can only answer you with this after reading your nonsense.

You're more than welcome to think of what I posted as nonsense, but at least what I'm saying is on factual grounds.

 

[danadana]

You're more than welcome to think of what I posted as nonsense, but at least what I'm saying is on factual grounds.

"facts"

 

[antidotecrk]

"facts"

What did I get wrong? Name something.