Others Abandoned Secret Horse Files 3 [v0.36] [Levy]

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prndev

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How are so many coomers so uncaring that they just let these scammers siphon them for money as they do anything but work? (…) How many coomers are borderline bankrupt because they never had a nut clarity after subscribing to someone?
I think it is wild to assume the patrons are financial inept "coomers" and then call the artist a scammer. It looks like some people struggle to understand what "patronage" means. A patron gives money to an artist because the the patron wants to support the artist for whatever the artist does. This is quite different from purchasing a specific good from a vendor or purchasing a service from a contractor. It does not fit well in a capitalist mind-set where all transactions are full of expectations and contracts. That being said, fek is doing streams now and people are enjoying those. Most interactions with the viewers happen in the chat, which may explain the large amount of patrons but low apparent activity. It still would be reasonable if fek would admit to himself that he probably will not work on Rack 2 in the foreseeable future and adjust the website accordingly.
 

home_brew

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It does not fit well in a capitalist mind-set where all transactions are full of expectations and contracts.
Bruh. The idea of patronage is that you give money to an artist so they can make art, that's the expectation and contract. If they have a specific project they're working on and people give them money so that they can afford to spend time working on the project, the people giving them money want to see that project being worked on and completed. Patrons have the right to be upset is the artist doesn't make good on what they've promised, otherwise patrons are giving money to someone who doesn't do anything.
 
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KL-001-A

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A patron gives money to an artist because the the patron wants to support the artist for whatever the artist does. This is quite different from purchasing a specific good from a vendor or purchasing a service from a contractor. It does not fit well in a capitalist mind-set where all transactions are full of expectations and contracts. That being said, fek is doing streams now and people are enjoying those. Most interactions with the viewers happen in the chat, which may explain the large amount of patrons but low apparent activity. It still would be reasonable if fek would admit to himself that he probably will not work on Rack 2 in the foreseeable future and adjust the website accordingly.
From my experience, the reason a lot of really big (but dead) content creators on Patreon continue to get money for months and months (or years) after they've stopped posting anything is simply because people forget they subbed. Most of his paywalled posts get ~6 comments, the last one that stated he's still working on Rack 2 should be full of hype, but that itself was only commented on by 8 people for a total of 10 comments (two people replied to themselves). High chance a good percentage of his 1.1k-ish paid subscribers are those who completely forgot they were subbed.

Either way "capitalist mind-set" is irrelevant when it comes to goods and services in really any economy. If you provide value for a thing with a literal/metaphorical "price tag" and you don't get that thing, you should get upset. Doesn't matter if it's fiat currency being paid for a subscription on Patreon, ten pigs for someone's hand in a prearranged marriage, or praising the government to get social credit points.
People subbed almost entirely for Rack 2, his income spiking hugely (x10 I think) when he started working on it; they got about a year of activity, then he outright gave up after realizing he was a dummy for hopping straight from being a 2D Flash dev to a 3D Unity dev with no prior Unity experience. (I think he had some past Unreal experience though.)

I'm just glad this Levy guy seems to be really open about hardship and struggles, instead of like Fek, who did all the complaining on a *chan site and rarely ever mentioned issues or delays on his Patreon.
 

Poneman

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Bruh. The idea of patronage is that you give money to an artist so they can make art, that's the expectation and contract. If they have a specific project they're working on and people give them money so that they can afford to spend time working on the project, the people giving them money want to see that project being worked on and completed. Patrons have the right to be upset is the artist doesn't make good on what they've promised, otherwise patrons are giving money to someone who doesn't do anything.
That's true, but you can't speak for the patrons and say what it is they want. Some of them may very well be donating because "Dude, I like your stream. Do more streaming!" in which case they are getting exactly what they are paying for. And if they feel like they're not, they can always withdraw their patronage at any time. You really can't "scam" someone on an ongoing basis.
 
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