Others Abandoned Secret Horse Files 3 [v0.36] [Levy]

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prndev

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How are so many coomers so uncaring that they just let these scammers siphon them for money as they do anything but work? (…) How many coomers are borderline bankrupt because they never had a nut clarity after subscribing to someone?
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I think it is wild to assume the patrons are financial inept "coomers" and then call the artist a scammer. It looks like some people struggle to understand what "patronage" means. A patron gives money to an artist because the the patron wants to support the artist for whatever the artist does. This is quite different from purchasing a specific good from a vendor or purchasing a service from a contractor. It does not fit well in a capitalist mind-set where all transactions are full of expectations and contracts. That being said, fek is doing streams now and people are enjoying those. Most interactions with the viewers happen in the chat, which may explain the large amount of patrons but low apparent activity. It still would be reasonable if fek would admit to himself that he probably will not work on Rack 2 in the foreseeable future and adjust the website accordingly.
 
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It does not fit well in a capitalist mind-set where all transactions are full of expectations and contracts.
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Bruh. The idea of patronage is that you give money to an artist so they can make art, that's the expectation and contract. If they have a specific project they're working on and people give them money so that they can afford to spend time working on the project, the people giving them money want to see that project being worked on and completed. Patrons have the right to be upset is the artist doesn't make good on what they've promised, otherwise patrons are giving money to someone who doesn't do anything.
 
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A patron gives money to an artist because the the patron wants to support the artist for whatever the artist does. This is quite different from purchasing a specific good from a vendor or purchasing a service from a contractor. It does not fit well in a capitalist mind-set where all transactions are full of expectations and contracts. That being said, fek is doing streams now and people are enjoying those. Most interactions with the viewers happen in the chat, which may explain the large amount of patrons but low apparent activity. It still would be reasonable if fek would admit to himself that he probably will not work on Rack 2 in the foreseeable future and adjust the website accordingly.
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From my experience, the reason a lot of really big (but dead) content creators on Patreon continue to get money for months and months (or years) after they've stopped posting anything is simply because people forget they subbed. Most of his paywalled posts get ~6 comments, the last one that stated he's still working on Rack 2 should be full of hype, but that itself was only commented on by 8 people for a total of 10 comments (two people replied to themselves). High chance a good percentage of his 1.1k-ish paid subscribers are those who completely forgot they were subbed.

Either way "capitalist mind-set" is irrelevant when it comes to goods and services in really any economy. If you provide value for a thing with a literal/metaphorical "price tag" and you don't get that thing, you should get upset. Doesn't matter if it's fiat currency being paid for a subscription on Patreon, ten pigs for someone's hand in a prearranged marriage, or praising the government to get social credit points.
People subbed almost entirely for Rack 2, his income spiking hugely (x10 I think) when he started working on it; they got about a year of activity, then he outright gave up after realizing he was a dummy for hopping straight from being a 2D Flash dev to a 3D Unity dev with no prior Unity experience. (I think he had some past Unreal experience though.)

I'm just glad this Levy guy seems to be really open about hardship and struggles, instead of like Fek, who did all the complaining on a *chan site and rarely ever mentioned issues or delays on his Patreon.
 
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Bruh. The idea of patronage is that you give money to an artist so they can make art, that's the expectation and contract. If they have a specific project they're working on and people give them money so that they can afford to spend time working on the project, the people giving them money want to see that project being worked on and completed. Patrons have the right to be upset is the artist doesn't make good on what they've promised, otherwise patrons are giving money to someone who doesn't do anything.
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That's true, but you can't speak for the patrons and say what it is they want. Some of them may very well be donating because "Dude, I like your stream. Do more streaming!" in which case they are getting exactly what they are paying for. And if they feel like they're not, they can always withdraw their patronage at any time. You really can't "scam" someone on an ongoing basis.
 
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Not even a ponybro but still looking forward to the finished project, hope they add foalcon and incest in the personality types
 
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This is genuinely one of the only internet projects left I still actively check in on. Everything else I would check in on is either beyond hope or already finished/cancelled. This guy actually puts some effort in and is trying to make something genuine and unique instead of "shitty jrpgmaker visual novel with stat grind as you unlock a three second gif of a titjob after grinding incest points for 40+ minutes".
 
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Humpydumpy said:
This is genuinely one of the only internet projects left I still actively check in on. Everything else I would check in on is either beyond hope or already finished/cancelled. This guy actually puts some effort in and is trying to make something genuine and unique instead of "shitty jrpgmaker visual novel with stat grind as you unlock a three second gif of a titjob after grinding incest points for 40+ minutes".
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Truth. And it's made worse now by AI. It's a wave of slop on the market for us to consume mostly now.
 
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This is genuinely one of the only internet projects left I still actively check in on. Everything else I would check in on is either beyond hope or already finished/cancelled. This guy actually puts some effort in and is trying to make something genuine and unique instead of "shitty jrpgmaker visual novel with stat grind as you unlock a three second gif of a titjob after grinding incest points for 40+ minutes".
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A lot of work has been done on the project, and it will be a pity if in the end it turns out that a very good and elaborate idea is confined within the narrow framework of the engine. And that the main core cannot be transferred to other more powerful engines, for example.
 
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This is genuinely one of the only internet projects left I still actively check in on. Everything else I would check in on is either beyond hope or already finished/cancelled. This guy actually puts some effort in and is trying to make something genuine and unique instead of "shitty jrpgmaker visual novel with stat grind as you unlock a three second gif of a titjob after grinding incest points for 40+ minutes".
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The saddest thing here is that i read that description and immideatly thought that i played atleast 3 games like that! Thank god for piracy, i hadnt wasted cash on any of them!
 
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"Narrow framework of the engine"
Like bruh, the engine's so big that it's what's causing most of the delay, the engine's so bananas that it's the main selling point of the dev right now, the keystone of everything, even getting prepped for use by other devs in the future (if it ever comes out.)
It's kinda to this point where I wouldn't be that surprised if Levy releases the engine, announces it'll be open source and that SHF is canceled, then he quits a bit later, disappearing forever.
 
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KL-001-A said:
"Narrow framework of the engine"
Like bruh, the engine's so big that it's what's causing most of the delay, the engine's so bananas that it's the main selling point of the dev right now, the keystone of everything, even getting prepped for use by other devs in the future (if it ever comes out.)
It's kinda to this point where I wouldn't be that surprised if Levy releases the engine, announces it'll be open source and that SHF is canceled, then he quits a bit later, disappearing forever.
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I hope he doesn't just quit after this comes out, it would seem like a massive waste of talent considering everything. plus I remember him saying that he wants to use this engine for another game in the works, I forgot what it was called though.
 
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peanut6578 said:
I hope he doesn't just quit after this comes out, it would seem like a massive waste of talent considering everything. plus I remember him saying that he wants to use this engine for another game in the works, I forgot what it was called though.
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Didn't he say not too long ago he plans to make other games in the same engine?
 
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IIRC, he's not going to make Project Maple, that's just some project another artist wants to make using Levy's engine when it's done, so if I AM remembering that right, then Project Maple should start shortly after SHF releases, not when it finishes.
 
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KL-001-A said:
"Narrow framework of the engine"
Like bruh, the engine's so big that it's what's causing most of the delay, the engine's so bananas that it's the main selling point of the dev right now, the keystone of everything, even getting prepped for use by other devs in the future (if it ever comes out.)
It's kinda to this point where I wouldn't be that surprised if Levy releases the engine, announces it'll be open source and that SHF is canceled, then he quits a bit later, disappearing forever.
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It's true, the logic and brains of the engine are very powerful. I'm more about, would it be possible to use this for full 3D games? It would be criminal to lock it all in 2D only.
 
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