Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.04 Dev] [Vénus Noire]

[TheSexinati]

And can someone give Sexinati some more Greyhide content, or at least a Andras transformation scene where the red demon can be turned into a much more pleasing form.

But not before spitfire335 get's their X'Zaratl content!

And yeah, I feel the same way sometimes about Rastedel myself.

 

[spitfire335]

But not before spitfire335 get's their X'Zaratl content!

And yeah, I feel the same way sometimes about Rastedel myself.

Cheers mate. It's true that they are intending on making Rastedel the end of the first act but progress does seem quite slow admittedly. Still, I can't wait for my Rowan to break out of this hero role and begin playing more as a villain. His corruption is high and I take every dominant choice I can get so it will be a sweet payoff once he can turn his gaze to the castle's inhabitants with a domineering eye. On the other hand, accounting for all the different variables must be a nightmare for the dev team. Just like I like to play a dominant Rowan, some may play a submissive one, or one who has a chaste marriage with Alexia, or delane, or Greyhide, etc. Quality has never been a problem for SoC in my eyes. And the way I see it, it will never be. No worries mate, I think that Arioch himself said that they are in the finishing stretch for Rastadel so hopefully we can move past it and get to enslaving some drow to serve us.

 

[T51bwinterized]

We're pretty close to the end of Rastedel. There also should be less multistate from now on. My goal is to bring us up to the start of the finale this release, and then do the finale the following one.

 

[wxerten]

I have been a patron of this game for a while now. There are some things that get to me like how long it has taken them to get Rastadel done. But you have to take into account the variations of every scene they put in. They haven't added a single scene for X'Zaratl in a year! I've been wanting Rowan to fuck her pussy while she fucks Alexia forever. But even still, the content they do add is good quality. The Arzyl stuff is fun. The Cliohna events are leading somewhere quite good. My Rowan has been resisting her everytime. And slowly I can tell she is becoming interested in Rowan, maybe that will lead to a relationship on an equal basis with the sorceress. There was even a Jezera and Rowan scene, though unfortunately that was a femdom scene. Look there are things that are going to be done that aren't going to be tailored to you exactly. But there are things in there for the people that play and support the dev team. I can understand that you are disappointed. I am too sometimes, but not with the writing. And can someone give Sexinati some more Greyhide content, or at least a Andras transformation scene where the red demon can be turned into a much more pleasing form.

I do agree with this and the previous comment, the game is excruciatingly slow and think that developers are making game to satisfy their creative outlet and ignoring the end users i.e. Us. To complete a project it just has to be of acceptable quality, going too deep into finer details slows the whole process down. The story is great, they just have to finish it. I am sure the rate of game development can certainly be increased by reusing components in art forms ( i mean a they can do 3 D models built a scene out of it and then render each frame using AI software to give a sketch look and feel ) and coding i believe isn't time consuming. But the ways of the developer do make me think that they are treating this Game as a 'Cash Cow', something that keeps the money coming in while they can do side projects and proceed at their own leisurely pace. This last string of thought is exactly what keeping me from being their Patron.

 

[Ano85]

Dominant Rowan with Greyhide or Whitescar when?

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

I do agree with this and the previous comment, the game is excruciatingly slow and think that developers are making game to satisfy their creative outlet and ignoring the end users i.e. Us. To complete a project it just has to be of acceptable quality, going too deep into finer details slows the whole process down. The story is great, they just have to finish it. I am sure the rate of game development can certainly be increased by reusing components in art forms ( i mean a they can do 3 D models built a scene out of it and then render each frame using AI software to give a sketch look and feel ) and coding i believe isn't time consuming. But the ways of the developer do make me think that they are treating this Game as a 'Cash Cow', something that keeps the money coming in while they can do side projects and proceed at their own leisurely pace. This last string of thought is exactly what keeping me from being their Patron.

Reusing assets can only go so far before you need to create more. A game that looks the same from start to finish would look quite strange, imagine meeting a vampire that looks like a red Jezera or a blue Andras?
Also i am not a developer(they can talk better about this) but i kind of doubt what you are proposing isn't time consuming, same for coding the game.

Last, Implying that devs who pretty much comunicate on a weekly basis while doing updates every two months, now, are treating the game as a cash cow is not only unfair but a very uninformed thing to do. Perhaps you should take a better look around the forum to find the ones who actually treat game developing as a cash cow?

 

[TheSexinati]

Dominant Rowan with Greyhide or Whitescar when?

I know not when, I know not where...

But a Domming Rowan, I shall ensure.

Watch, Bull...

Watch Wolf...

As Rowan holds you by the horns or fur!

And adorns them in leashes and cuffs... and BDSM goods.

Leads them about these Bloodmeen halls.

 

[Hekzow]

Tbh I feel like those ten CG a month (+variants) are a very fair deal when it comes to updates.
If you feel that other games get more done in one release per three months or so I'd say nothing is stopping you from checking in on SoC's release not every month, but every few months. That's what I do.
The frustration I see from a lot of people is that the game is spread too thin due to variety of sexual preferences included in the game. But hell, Arioch has a vision and he's been pulling it off so far.

If you actually took the amount of content in the game and stuck it end to end, you'd have maybe 45 minutes to an hour of actual content without the fluff of the world map and how random things can be.

I disagree. There is a ton of content of all kinds. I don't think there is a western porn game with a bigger unique cg count. The variety in events is also pretty neat.

I do agree with this and the previous comment, the game is excruciatingly slow and think that developers are making game to satisfy their creative outlet and ignoring the end users i.e. Us.

This last string of thought is exactly what keeping me from being their Patron.

You are not the end user if you're not a Patron, at least five dollar tier even (or which tier was it that allows for voting?). As of this release there is no public version anymore, why should anyone even consider the opinions of somebody who won't pay for the game?

( i mean a they can do 3 D models built a scene out of it and then render each frame using AI software to give a sketch look and feel )

Everything that does it looks like trash. There are enough daz3d games out there.

and coding i believe isn't time consuming

To be completely real with you: MDN took 200$ PER CHARACTER, and that was when the game was starting. Most of the cgs have two, and some have more (one of the latest is an orc orgy), plus I imagine his rate went up as he moved up in life. With 10 cgs per month that is a minimum of 2k dollars, and the maximum I do not even want to imagine. Plus they seem to pay coders, writers, background artists, etc. Patreon takes their cut as well. I do not know the exact numbers but it's hard for me to imagine the game as highly profitable the way it's currently operating.
I wouldn't consider the event release as slow either, seeing as some of the team is busy redoing the entire mechanical side of things and it seems that some events were written/had cgs ordered but can't be added yet due to story progression or other factors.

I seriously doubt it would be reasonable to expect more content each month with staff this small.
The only game I know that went as big and had more updates was Taimanin Asagi Battle Arena, and even then Black Lilith are not that small of a studio and have decades of experience behind them.

 

[AidsDelivered]

like a tad bit off-topic for such a forum but something was bothering me:

So in my eyes there is an endgame among anyplaned, that sees rowan overthrow the twins or at least free himself (and alexia).
BUT how will achieve that, since he is just a human without powers, magic or other means to defeat the twins. I'm really not seeing an army fight them since the truth to the matter is that andras can easily kill many men with just the flick of his wrist and the same should apply to jez since i can't really see otherwise, we have only seen her as a seduction only tool but i think if cornered she would be able to kill several people woth ease.

In my own headcanon, i hope somehow rowan gets some sort of power-up like thor when he gets the odin-force after odin dies in Marvel comics or so. (bad comparison i know xD) Like i would love to see a 1v1 or even a 2v1 of the twins facing of against rowan.

Sure sure, thats head canon but how do you guys view that?

 

[spitfire335]

like a tad bit off-topic for such a forum but something was bothering me:

So in my eyes there is an endgame among anyplaned, that sees rowan overthrow the twins or at least free himself (and alexia).
BUT how will achieve that, since he is just a human without powers, magic or other means to defeat the twins. I'm really not seeing an army fight them since the truth to the matter is that andras can easily kill many men with just the flick of his wrist and the same should apply to jez since i can't really see otherwise, we have only seen her as a seduction only tool but i think if cornered she would be able to kill several people woth ease.

In my own headcanon, i hope somehow rowan gets some sort of power-up like thor when he gets the odin-force after odin dies in Marvel comics or so. (bad comparison i know xD) Like i would love to see a 1v1 or even a 2v1 of the twins facing of against rowan.

Sure sure, thats head canon but how do you guys view that?

It is only the first act so far. Right now Rowan is defining his morality and his feelings both towards the castle's inhabitants and towards the world at large. I assume that as the story moves forward, Rowan will have opportunities to grow much more powerful. A charismatic dominant Rowan who has been tireless about winning over as many characters as he can will have an advantage if he ever turns on the twins. Alexia if put in the library position is learning how to actually use magic. She has tremendous capability for it according to Cliohna. Since my Rowan is corrupt hopefully he can transform his wife into a sexy succubus that can cast powerful magics. Since T51bwinterized said that there should be less multistates after this, I am actually looking forward to the future updates a lot more. Who knows? Maybe high corruption dominant Rowan may actually be able to convince Jezera to become his wife/lover and turn against her own brother.

 

[dhuemnptai]

In my own headcanon, i hope somehow rowan gets some sort of power-up like thor when he gets the odin-force after odin dies in Marvel comics or so. (bad comparison i know xD) Like i would love to see a 1v1 or even a 2v1 of the twins facing of against rowan.

Sure sure, thats head canon but how do you guys view that?

I would love this shit! Maybe some magical weapon? I think it could be like a reward from Solansia and from a low-corruption Rowan Route. We don't have a lot of reasons for him to not cheat on Alexia, so this could be a requirement. But it's just my crazy mind making theories.

I think he'll probably overthrow them with Alexia's magic. I think the whole plot with her having some magic power/potential is a foreshadow for the final act.

 

[Sillnill]

Don't think the whole powertrip anime ending fits rowan as a character. He is a planner. A strategist. I'd much rather be able to sabotage multiple events and make it all align in the end to watch the twins fall as Rowan watches his work unfold. Maybe keep the Powerfantasy for the "evil" ending where you overthrow the twins and take their place.

 

[manscout]

So in my eyes there is an endgame among anyplaned, that sees rowan overthrow the twins or at least free himself (and alexia).
BUT how will achieve that, since he is just a human without powers, magic or other means to defeat the twins. I'm really not seeing an army fight them since the truth to the matter is that andras can easily kill many men with just the flick of his wrist and the same should apply to jez since i can't really see otherwise, we have only seen her as a seduction only tool but i think if cornered she would be able to kill several people woth ease.

I have complained about this before, honestly I'm not sure the writing is that the twins are that powerful, sure sometimes they look like they could take hundreds of warriors on their own, but other times it looks like even current Rowan could get lucky and defeat one of them in a fight (even if it would be a 1 in 100 scenario).

I think they are best thought of as powerful mages, in the right situation with the proper advantage they can be incredibly destructive, but if charged by a band of blessed knights they could be overwhelmed. Also a knife to the heart is a knife to the heart.

When Rowan finally begins to plot against them I can see he taking the sly way about it, maybe trying to turn them against each other, conspiring with the less loyal castle staff, figuring out how to remove the cursed necklaces and then leading them into a trap.

 

[biggestnutter]

I have complained about this before, honestly I'm not sure the writing is that the twins are that powerful, sure sometimes they look like they could take hundreds of warriors on their own, but other times it looks like even current Rowan could get lucky and defeat one of them in a fight (even if it would be a 1 in 100 scenario).

I think they are best thought of as powerful mages, in the right situation with the proper advantage they can be incredibly destructive, but if charged by a band of blessed knights they could be overwhelmed. Also a knife to the heart is a knife to the heart.

When Rowan finally begins to plot against them I can see he taking the sly way about it, maybe trying to turn them against each other, conspiring with the less loyal castle staff, figuring out how to remove the cursed necklaces and then leading them into a trap.

Would be a great scenario, turning Jezera against Andras, making her your queen and getting rid of King NTR.

 

[TheSexinati]

I would love this shit! Maybe some magical weapon? I think it could be like a reward from Solansia and from a low-corruption Rowan Route.

Or hey, maybe from Greyhide or something too.

And that magical weapon better have some Pattern welded iron or steel in that bitch!

MmmmHmmmm, I'm awaiting them magical swords brah!

Spoiler: RL 'Magical' swords... with gold and silver and stuff.

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[T51bwinterized]

Rowan is first and foremost a strategist and a trickster, combat wise. In DnD terms he's something more akin to the 5e Scout Class.

 

[TheSexinati]

Rowan is first and foremost a strategist and a trickster, combat wise. In DnD terms he's something more akin to the 5e Scout Class.

That said, even being non-focused in melee combat, he pulled off some pretty slick shit against a Nobleman with an arming sword in that Orcish raiding quest for Ulcro IIRC. From the description it says that Rowan redirected the strike from the nobleman with his 'bastard sword' and then got him with his hilt, which is plausible. Though given that I'd imagine that Rowan would be stepping in or stepping in from the side, knocking him with the pommel would probably be more likely (His blade would likely be bound by the arming sword). If hilt refers to pommel in this case, then that would work.

If it was a strike from the 'crossguard' being considered as an attack from the hilt, then perhaps Rowan quickly got his free hand to his blade, replicating 'Mordhau' from some German treatises. However, he could also have held the sword with his freehand and busted his face with the crossguard also, but with his hand still on the 'hilt' of his sword, you see something similar in Fiore's manual in the armoured section.

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When I move from my guard to a close range cover and am unable to strike you with a cut, I strike you with a thrust. If I cannot strike you with either, I strike you with the cross guard or with the pommel, depending on my preference.

Either way, whoever wrote that section gave me a history boner!

Arming sword, hilt strikes... in a fantasy game... Nnnnnnnggggggghhhhhhhh.

 

[Stes]

I'm just gonna remind you all that Rowan already has something to help him resist twins's powers aside from his own willpower and strategic mind. If you look close enough, the advantage I'm talking about was established in the very beginning.

Rowan has an unusually high magic resistance. Twins even comment on it when Andras hits Rowan with his signature spell but instead of killing or knocking him out the spell simply works as an agony paralysis. However, twins seem to think that Rowan is just naturally resilient, so the only person who knows about Rowan's high MR and its implications is Cliohna. And I'm pretty sure she doesn't plan on informing the twins anytime soon.

 

[MangoMeta]

They haven't added a single scene for X'Zaratl in a year! I've been wanting Rowan to fuck her pussy while she fucks Alexia forever. There was even a Jezera and Rowan scene, though unfortunately that was a femdom scene. Look there are things that are going to be done that aren't going to be tailored to you exactly.

Thats because they don't care about anything but making Rowan a mega cuck. Nothing else interests them and it couldn't be more obvious.

 

[Hekzow]

Thats because they don't care about anything but making Rowan a mega cuck. Nothing else interests them and it couldn't be more obvious.

Rowan being a mega cuck is actually him playing 4d chess. Once he arrived in castle bloodmen he put an anti-demon bomb right in Alexia's bagina. That's why Andras hasn't fucked her yet after the prologue: he is suspicious that his dick will be blown off.

But for real though. The Jezera and Andras NTR paths were planned from the beginning, the game stayed the same. The amount of NTR events actually went down I'd say. And it's not like Rowan doesn't get new straight stuff constantly.